The FanLax Forum Poll is great. But humans are human. Humans have inconsistencies including favoritism based on previous seasons, recency bias, etc. All my poll does is erase these inconsistencies. With that said, this is the Forum Poll... minus inconsistencies:
1 Tufts
2 Christopher Newport
3 Salisbury
4 Middlebury
5 RIT
6 Gettysburg
7 Amherst
8 Lynchburg
9 St. Lawrence
10 Union
11 Washington and Lee
12 Bowdoin
13 Wesleyan
14 Swarthmore
15 Ithaca
16 Dickinson
17 Stevens
18 Denison
19 York
20 Cabrini
21 Williams
22 Muhlenberg
23 Clarkson
24 Kenyon
25 Wooster
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What is this a ranking for? Is this another uniform ranking? Or college party ranking?
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My rankings are the FanLax Computer Ranking which is based on each team's 3 Best Wins, 3 Worst Losses.Laxattackjack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:05 pm What is this a ranking for? Is this another uniform ranking? Or college party ranking?
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So the computer ignores recent, head-to-head results?FanLax Computer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:17 pmMy rankings are the FanLax Computer Ranking which is based on each team's 3 Best Wins, 3 Worst Losses.Laxattackjack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:05 pm What is this a ranking for? Is this another uniform ranking? Or college party ranking?
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Sorry I meant to put Tufts 1move down accordingly
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No. I don't ignore recent games. I just don't value them over games that happened earlier in the season. For me, Ws are Ws, Ls are Ls whether they happen in February or May.
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Doesn't change 1-19. Does change 20-25 and more. 20-25+ was:
20 Denison
21 Wooster
22 Ithaca
23 Hampden-Sydney
24 Babson
25 Muhlenberg
Kenyon
Clarkson
Geneseo
Roanoke
Stevenson
Pfeiffer
RPI
Hamilton
Now it is:
20 Ithaca
21 Wooster
22 Denison
23 Kenyon
24 Babson
25 Hampden-Sydney
Muhlenberg
Clarkson
Geneseo
Roanoke
Stevenson
Pfeiffer
RPI
Hamilton
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Makes sense. Yet ... Wesleyan boat-races Amherst, the next computer poll ranks Amherst 6 spots higher, but it's the humans who "have inconsistencies" ...FanLax Computer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:30 pmNo. I don't ignore recent games. I just don't value them over games that happened earlier in the season. For me, Ws are Ws, Ls are Ls whether they happen in February or May.
Of course, I am just kidding around and don't have any rooting interest for either Wes or Amherst, but the "3 best/3 worst" system appears to have some limitations of its own.
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I absolutely took Amherst Wes midweek into account. I had Amherst at 2 last week (having seen them play Tufts basically even in person) and dropped them a few spots due to the Wes loss. I would have jumped Wes quite a bit, but the Amherst win was offset by the Midd loss. I also think Wes is a match up problem for Amherst's style of play. I still think Amherst is really good and I anticipate a Tufts Amherst Nescac final, but that assumes Wes and Amherst are on opposite sides of the bracket.
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And this weekend, Salisbury crushed CNU, but CNU still higher.smoova wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:37 pmMakes sense. Yet ... Wesleyan boat-races Amherst, the next computer poll ranks Amherst 6 spots higher, but it's the humans who "have inconsistencies" ...FanLax Computer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:30 pmNo. I don't ignore recent games. I just don't value them over games that happened earlier in the season. For me, Ws are Ws, Ls are Ls whether they happen in February or May.
Of course, I am just kidding around and don't have any rooting interest for either Wes or Amherst, but the "3 best/3 worst" system appears to have some limitations of its own.
York crushes Denison, but Denison higher.
I still think this is a poll on favorite uniforms
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No no no, you’ve got to take their 3 best wins, 3 worst losses, and times the goal diff by their number of GROY nominees.
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Fair points - it's very helpful to understand how other voters approach their polls, so I appreciate the insight. I think the Tufts game/loss of Gonzalez has the Mammoths scuffling a little right now - I just finished watching the Amherst/Colby game that was much more even than I was expecting.Unknown Participant wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:38 pmI absolutely took Amherst Wes midweek into account. I had Amherst at 2 last week (having seen them play Tufts basically even in person) and dropped them a few spots due to the Wes loss. I would have jumped Wes quite a bit, but the Amherst win was offset by the Midd loss. I also think Wes is a match up problem for Amherst's style of play. I still think Amherst is really good and I anticipate a Tufts Amherst Nescac final, but that assumes Wes and Amherst are on opposite sides of the bracket.
I don't see Tufts stumbling at any point through Bates/Wes/Hammy/Bowdoin so the NESCAC seeding may hinge on the Amherst/Midd game.
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Last week, in the FanLax Computer Rankings, Amherst was #7. This week, Amherst is... #7. You might ask, Why didn't they drop some spots (which I'd be happy to answer)... but where are you seeing they went up 6 spots?
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Amherst is 6 spots higher than Wesleyan in the FL computer poll.FanLax Computer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:25 pmLast week, in the FanLax Computer Rankings, Amherst was #7. This week, Amherst is... #7. You might ask, Why didn't they drop some spots (which I'd be happy to answer)... but where are you seeing they went up 6 spots?
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That's much easier to answer. Amherst has a better resume than Amherst. Better wins, better losses.smoova wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:30 pmAmherst is 6 spots higher than Wesleyan in the FL computer poll.FanLax Computer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:25 pmLast week, in the FanLax Computer Rankings, Amherst was #7. This week, Amherst is... #7. You might ask, Why didn't they drop some spots (which I'd be happy to answer)... but where are you seeing they went up 6 spots?
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GROY comment right here.FanLax Computer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:36 pm …Amherst has a better resume than Amherst. Better wins, better losses.
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Interesting. I don't think it is reasonable to favor "resume" strength over recent head-to-head results (especially when both teams are inside the top 20), but it's not my computer.FanLax Computer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:36 pmThat's much easier to answer. Amherst has a better resume than Amherst. Better wins, better losses.smoova wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:30 pmAmherst is 6 spots higher than Wesleyan in the FL computer poll.FanLax Computer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:25 pmLast week, in the FanLax Computer Rankings, Amherst was #7. This week, Amherst is... #7. You might ask, Why didn't they drop some spots (which I'd be happy to answer)... but where are you seeing they went up 6 spots?
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I don't know. Considering Ws and Ls from previous seasons the same as Ws and Ls from the previous weekend is unreasonable. Treating Ws and Ls from 6 weeks ago the same as the past weekend, i dunno. That makes sense. Also, seems unfair to give a heavier weight to more recent games for teams outside of power conferences who are forced to play their tougher games earlier in the season.
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Helmets...definitely the helmets.Laxattackjack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:48 pmAnd this weekend, Salisbury crushed CNU, but CNU still higher.smoova wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:37 pmMakes sense. Yet ... Wesleyan boat-races Amherst, the next computer poll ranks Amherst 6 spots higher, but it's the humans who "have inconsistencies" ...FanLax Computer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:30 pmNo. I don't ignore recent games. I just don't value them over games that happened earlier in the season. For me, Ws are Ws, Ls are Ls whether they happen in February or May.
Of course, I am just kidding around and don't have any rooting interest for either Wes or Amherst, but the "3 best/3 worst" system appears to have some limitations of its own.
York crushes Denison, but Denison higher.
I still think this is a poll on favorite uniforms
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I understand your process. I just think the inability to recognize/weight recent head-to-head results is a limitation that (occasionally) causes mis-rankings.FanLax Computer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:51 pmI don't know. Considering Ws and Ls from previous seasons the same as Ws and Ls from the previous weekend is unreasonable. Treating Ws and Ls from 6 weeks ago the same as the past weekend, i dunno. That makes sense. Also, seems unfair to give a heavier weight to more recent games for teams outside of power conferences who are forced to play their tougher games earlier in the season.