Was I?
Seems to me that cradle starting referring to me out of the blue with various insults and scorn...I sure as heck didn't start anything with him.
Was I?
Race to the bottom by the GOP.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:46 am Permitless carry in Florida. No restrictions on 18-20 year olds in Minnesota.
https://apnews.com/article/guns-firearm ... 8d4baaaa1e
We are going to be wearing armor to the grocery store, flak vests to church and kevlar to concerts. We'll just adapt, right?
I thought the Covenant School was affiliated with the Presbyterian Church ? Are they evangelical ?ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:54 am A sense of “resentment” might have played a role in a 28-year-old’s deadly attack on the private Christian school they once attended, Nashville police said Monday.
My guess is that The Covenant School didn’t hold in high regard people from the LGBT community. Not to mention the region as well. That can certainly bear heavily on one’s sense of self worth over time. Most bear through it and some don’t.
A good friend of mine had both of her boys go through a Christian school affiliated with her evangelical church (brother in law is principal). The younger son came out as gay after college. He is like a son to me. I can tell you that it was not easy going through school being told how deviant people like him are. Fortunately he is very resilient and very successful today, but you always have to live with someone having an issue with your life.
The particular affiliation of Covenant Presbyterian Church in Nashville is PCA - which is among the most conservative of the Presbyterian family of denominations. No women in leadership roles (elder, pastor). Think close to philosophy of Bob Jones University...old salt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 2:54 pmI thought the Covenant School was affiliated with the Presbyterian Church ? Are they evangelical ?ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:54 am A sense of “resentment” might have played a role in a 28-year-old’s deadly attack on the private Christian school they once attended, Nashville police said Monday.
My guess is that The Covenant School didn’t hold in high regard people from the LGBT community. Not to mention the region as well. That can certainly bear heavily on one’s sense of self worth over time. Most bear through it and some don’t.
A good friend of mine had both of her boys go through a Christian school affiliated with her evangelical church (brother in law is principal). The younger son came out as gay after college. He is like a son to me. I can tell you that it was not easy going through school being told how deviant people like him are. Fortunately he is very resilient and very successful today, but you always have to live with someone having an issue with your life.
Is the PCA evangelical ? Are they born again ? Are they EPC ?RedFromMI wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:24 pmThe particular affiliation of Covenant Presbyterian Church in Nashville is PCA - which is among the most conservative of the Presbyterian family of denominations. No women in leadership roles (elder, pastor). Think close to philosophy of Bob Jones University...old salt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 2:54 pmI thought the Covenant School was affiliated with the Presbyterian Church ? Are they evangelical ?ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:54 am A sense of “resentment” might have played a role in a 28-year-old’s deadly attack on the private Christian school they once attended, Nashville police said Monday.
My guess is that The Covenant School didn’t hold in high regard people from the LGBT community. Not to mention the region as well. That can certainly bear heavily on one’s sense of self worth over time. Most bear through it and some don’t.
A good friend of mine had both of her boys go through a Christian school affiliated with her evangelical church (brother in law is principal). The younger son came out as gay after college. He is like a son to me. I can tell you that it was not easy going through school being told how deviant people like him are. Fortunately he is very resilient and very successful today, but you always have to live with someone having an issue with your life.
The mainline version of Presbyterianism is the PCUSA. Much different than PCA. (I am an elder in the PCUSA)
Roots of the denomination date back to 1973, when it was created with membership a number of southern PCUS (mainline southern version of Presbyterians) churches unhappy about the upcoming merger with the northern mainline UPCUSA denomination that created the PCUSA. Did not want a host of more "liberal" theological views as part of their denomination.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:34 pmIs the PCA evangelical ? Are they born again ? Are they EPC ?RedFromMI wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:24 pmThe particular affiliation of Covenant Presbyterian Church in Nashville is PCA - which is among the most conservative of the Presbyterian family of denominations. No women in leadership roles (elder, pastor). Think close to philosophy of Bob Jones University...old salt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 2:54 pmI thought the Covenant School was affiliated with the Presbyterian Church ? Are they evangelical ?ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:54 am A sense of “resentment” might have played a role in a 28-year-old’s deadly attack on the private Christian school they once attended, Nashville police said Monday.
My guess is that The Covenant School didn’t hold in high regard people from the LGBT community. Not to mention the region as well. That can certainly bear heavily on one’s sense of self worth over time. Most bear through it and some don’t.
A good friend of mine had both of her boys go through a Christian school affiliated with her evangelical church (brother in law is principal). The younger son came out as gay after college. He is like a son to me. I can tell you that it was not easy going through school being told how deviant people like him are. Fortunately he is very resilient and very successful today, but you always have to live with someone having an issue with your life.
The mainline version of Presbyterianism is the PCUSA. Much different than PCA. (I am an elder in the PCUSA)
Thanks. I was baptized & grew up in a United Presbyterian Church (UPCUSA ?) which I think merged to become part of the PCUSA.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:30 pmRoots of the denomination date back to 1973, when it was created with membership a number of southern PCUS (mainline southern version of Presbyterians) churches unhappy about the upcoming merger with the northern mainline UPCUSA denomination that created the PCUSA. Did not want a host of more "liberal" theological views as part of their denomination.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:34 pmIs the PCA evangelical ? Are they born again ? Are they EPC ?RedFromMI wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:24 pmThe particular affiliation of Covenant Presbyterian Church in Nashville is PCA - which is among the most conservative of the Presbyterian family of denominations. No women in leadership roles (elder, pastor). Think close to philosophy of Bob Jones University...old salt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 2:54 pmI thought the Covenant School was affiliated with the Presbyterian Church ? Are they evangelical ?ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:54 am A sense of “resentment” might have played a role in a 28-year-old’s deadly attack on the private Christian school they once attended, Nashville police said Monday.
My guess is that The Covenant School didn’t hold in high regard people from the LGBT community. Not to mention the region as well. That can certainly bear heavily on one’s sense of self worth over time. Most bear through it and some don’t.
A good friend of mine had both of her boys go through a Christian school affiliated with her evangelical church (brother in law is principal). The younger son came out as gay after college. He is like a son to me. I can tell you that it was not easy going through school being told how deviant people like him are. Fortunately he is very resilient and very successful today, but you always have to live with someone having an issue with your life.
The mainline version of Presbyterianism is the PCUSA. Much different than PCA. (I am an elder in the PCUSA)
Most are very Calvinist, but some have an evangelical bent. Not the modern EPC which is yet another branch of more conservative theological thought. The idea of "born again" is not generally a Presbyterian/Calvinist construct regardless of level of conservatism in theology from my experience, but more likely to be found in a more Baptist perspective.
I think OS's experience growing up in a predecessor of PCUSA is quite different from the PCA conservatism - even though the roots of Presbyterianism in Calvinism are the same, the end results are quite different.SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:30 am Is there a particular reason or importance as to why the affiliation to a particular Presbyterian organization or evangelism of the the Covenant School is being discussed, or simply curiosity?
From reading back through the thread, there was a supposition (from police) that the attitudes at this Christian school may have contributed to the shooter's motivation.SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:30 am Is there a particular reason or importance as to why the affiliation to a particular Presbyterian organization or evangelism of the the Covenant School is being discussed, or simply curiosity?
...& some Evangelical churches, like the UCC church we shared a building with, don't fit the stereotype often inferred when "evangelical" is in their name.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:29 amFrom reading back through the thread, there was a supposition (from police) that the attitudes at this Christian school may have contributed to the shooter's motivation.SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:30 am Is there a particular reason or importance as to why the affiliation to a particular Presbyterian organization or evangelism of the the Covenant School is being discussed, or simply curiosity?
Salty asked whether the school was Presbyterian, himself having grown up Presbyterian...and asked whether "evangelical". Perhaps because the earlier discussions had suggested that evangelical christianity has been at odds with LGBTQ community (actually not 100% true, there are evangelical communities that welcome all, as they are, though it would be fair to say that many, probably most, do not).
Red provided details about some of the quite different denominations within Presbyterianism. (there are a lot of branches)
This school is one with sharply conservative beliefs, beliefs akin to the loudest such we see in evangelical world.
Thanks for the wiring diagram. Do you have one that explains predestination ? ( ...Presbyterian inside joke)RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:16 am Presbyterians have a complex history in America - the following picture might help (I am linking only because of its size): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ctions.jpg
Yes, the diversity of various denominations, between them and within them, is way more than most folks understand.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:30 pm...& some Evangelical churches, like the UCC church we shared a building with, don't fit the stereotype often inferred when "evangelical" is in their name.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:29 amFrom reading back through the thread, there was a supposition (from police) that the attitudes at this Christian school may have contributed to the shooter's motivation.SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:30 am Is there a particular reason or importance as to why the affiliation to a particular Presbyterian organization or evangelism of the the Covenant School is being discussed, or simply curiosity?
Salty asked whether the school was Presbyterian, himself having grown up Presbyterian...and asked whether "evangelical". Perhaps because the earlier discussions had suggested that evangelical christianity has been at odds with LGBTQ community (actually not 100% true, there are evangelical communities that welcome all, as they are, though it would be fair to say that many, probably most, do not).
Red provided details about some of the quite different denominations within Presbyterianism. (there are a lot of branches)
This school is one with sharply conservative beliefs, beliefs akin to the loudest such we see in evangelical world.
Ok...that's the best and most obscure cultural reference anyone has made at this Forum. And it suited the conversation perfectly.NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:32 pm Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
-Emo Philips
California went through all of this in the 1990s. California had a bigoted, racist Republican governor. White conservatives passed Prop 187. White xenophobes passed anti-immigration bills.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:19 amRace to the bottom by the GOP.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:46 am Permitless carry in Florida. No restrictions on 18-20 year olds in Minnesota.
https://apnews.com/article/guns-firearm ... 8d4baaaa1e
We are going to be wearing armor to the grocery store, flak vests to church and kevlar to concerts. We'll just adapt, right?
Narrowing their base, alienating independents.
I don't know what the breaking point will be in Florida, but if you keep passing legislation that 60+% of US citizens disagree with, you're going to lose a whole lot of elections nationally. Rhetoric is one thing, actual legislation makes the extremism real.
Extremist legislation on guns and reproductive rights may be what ultimately break the fever in Florida, they're certainly doing so in places like Wisconsin.
No thanks.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:27 pmCalifornia went through all of this in the 1990s. California had a bigoted, racist Republican governor. White conservatives passed Prop 187. White xenophobes passed anti-immigration bills.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:19 amRace to the bottom by the GOP.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:46 am Permitless carry in Florida. No restrictions on 18-20 year olds in Minnesota.
https://apnews.com/article/guns-firearm ... 8d4baaaa1e
We are going to be wearing armor to the grocery store, flak vests to church and kevlar to concerts. We'll just adapt, right?
Narrowing their base, alienating independents.
I don't know what the breaking point will be in Florida, but if you keep passing legislation that 60+% of US citizens disagree with, you're going to lose a whole lot of elections nationally. Rhetoric is one thing, actual legislation makes the extremism real.
Extremist legislation on guns and reproductive rights may be what ultimately break the fever in Florida, they're certainly doing so in places like Wisconsin.
It was all futile. White moderates and liberals joined Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans and others to take over the state, making the Golden State into a laboratory of liberal ideas and policies. California is now the greatest and most powerful state in the nation. We are a global powerhouse with an economy larger that Russia and India’s.
The MAGA crowd is still here, of course, but they have been relegated to insignificance. Kevin McCarthy is Speaker, but not even the most magnificent manor can be free of cockroaches.
That is the inevitable future faced by the Republican Party. In a couple of decades, when the aging far right has largely died out, today’s liberal young Americans will control the nation, and the nation will be better for it.
California is just a preview of America’s future, and it is glorious.
DocBarrister