Sensible Gun Safety

[Typical Lax Dad]

Another school shooting - this time in Nashville TN at a religious elementary school - so far three students and the shooter are confirmed deceased.

But nothing to see here, so please move along

Reading that it is a female with multiple guns, certainly a rarity to see female in this role. Isn't it also premature to say female, what if the their pronouns where he/him?

Try not to be a d*ck.......

Transgender....you can apologize now if you'd like.

... sure when Christians apologize for demonizing transgender people

At least we know you are now on the side of violence.

Are transgender individuals Christians?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Another school shooting - this time in Nashville TN at a religious elementary school - so far three students and the shooter are confirmed deceased.

But nothing to see here, so please move along

Reading that it is a female with multiple guns, certainly a rarity to see female in this role. Isn't it also premature to say female, what if the their pronouns where he/him?

Try not to be a d*ck.......

Transgender....you can apologize now if you'd like.

... sure when Christians apologize for demonizing transgender people

[jhu72]

... hope and prayers These people just can't help themselves.

[jhu72]

A**hole Andy Ogles is heartbroken.

[Farfromgeneva]

A**hole Andy Ogles is heartbroken.

Did you read the piece about his George Santos style background

[youthathletics]

Another school shooting - this time in Nashville TN at a religious elementary school - so far three students and the shooter are confirmed deceased.

But nothing to see here, so please move along

Reading that it is a female with multiple guns, certainly a rarity to see female in this role. Isn't it also premature to say female, what if the their pronouns where he/him?

Try not to be a d*ck.......

Transgender....you can apologize now if you'd like.

... sure when Christians apologize for demonizing transgender people

At least we know you are now on the side of violence.

Are transgender individuals Christians?

Are you?

[MDlaxfan76]

72 should have said right wing, self-annointed "Christians" rather than simply Christians.

His point was valid. So was Kismet's.

I read youth's post as a sneer; feel free to correct that impression if you'd like, youth.

If you are wondering whether gender identity struggles had anything to do with the shooter's motivation, so am I. We likely will learn more from the manifesto left by the shooter. Meanwhile, I think we can wait a heartbeat.

What we do know, apparently, is that the shooter had a bunch of high capacity rapid fire weapons, "legally obtained", and used them to kill children and adults at a "Christian" school they had attended as a child. Fortunately, the killing was stopped by the police before the massacre was even worse.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Another school shooting - this time in Nashville TN at a religious elementary school - so far three students and the shooter are confirmed deceased.

But nothing to see here, so please move along

Reading that it is a female with multiple guns, certainly a rarity to see female in this role. Isn't it also premature to say female, what if the their pronouns where he/him?

Try not to be a d*ck.......

Transgender....you can apologize now if you'd like.

... sure when Christians apologize for demonizing transgender people

At least we know you are now on the side of violence.

Are transgender individuals Christians?

Are you?

I am a Christian. You didn’t answer my question. Are transgender individuals Christians? Are any of them?

[youthathletics]

72 should have said right wing, self-annointed "Christians" rather than simply Christians.

His point was valid. So was Kismet's.

I read youth's post as a sneer; feel free to correct that impression if you'd like, youth.

If you are wondering whether gender identity struggles had anything to do with the shooter's motivation, so am I. We likely will learn more from the manifesto left by the shooter. Meanwhile, I think we can wait a heartbeat.

What we do know, apparently, is that the shooter had a bunch of high capacity rapid fire weapons, "legally obtained", and used them to kill children and adults at a "Christian" school they had attended as a child. Fortunately, the killing was stopped by the police before the massacre was even worse.

No sneer at all. This IS the age we live in, when I read it was reported that it was a female my spidey senses went up, as I noted.

I am also looking forward to learning more, but will guess that we will not learn anything IF it goes against the grain of the LGBTQ+ community...it most certainly will go against Christianity, they are always a target, and know this.

Wonder if they will announce if the shooter was on any meds, short and/or long term....also a tox report should be mandatory information shared to the public for all criminals post autopsy.

[youthathletics]

Another school shooting - this time in Nashville TN at a religious elementary school - so far three students and the shooter are confirmed deceased.

But nothing to see here, so please move along

Reading that it is a female with multiple guns, certainly a rarity to see female in this role. Isn't it also premature to say female, what if the their pronouns where he/him?

Try not to be a d*ck.......

Transgender....you can apologize now if you'd like.

... sure when Christians apologize for demonizing transgender people

At least we know you are now on the side of violence.

Are transgender individuals Christians?

Are you?

I am a Christian. You didn’t answer my question. Are transgender individuals Christians? Are any of them?

Depends on them, it is an individual/personal decision. But yes, if they accept Christ in to their lives.

[Farfromgeneva]

72 should have said right wing, self-annointed "Christians" rather than simply Christians.

His point was valid. So was Kismet's.

I read youth's post as a sneer; feel free to correct that impression if you'd like, youth.

If you are wondering whether gender identity struggles had anything to do with the shooter's motivation, so am I. We likely will learn more from the manifesto left by the shooter. Meanwhile, I think we can wait a heartbeat.

What we do know, apparently, is that the shooter had a bunch of high capacity rapid fire weapons, "legally obtained", and used them to kill children and adults at a "Christian" school they had attended as a child. Fortunately, the killing was stopped by the police before the massacre was even worse.

No sneer at all. This IS the age we live in, when I read it was reported that it was a female my spidey senses went up, as I noted.

I am also looking forward to learning more, but will guess that we will not learn anything IF it goes against the grain of the LGBTQ+ community...it most certainly will go against Christianity, they are always a target, and know this.

Wonder if they will announce if the shooter was on any meds, short and/or long term....also a tox report should be mandatory information shared to the public for all criminals post autopsy.

Does holy water and the blood of Christ count as meds?

[MDlaxfan76]

Another school shooting - this time in Nashville TN at a religious elementary school - so far three students and the shooter are confirmed deceased.

But nothing to see here, so please move along

Reading that it is a female with multiple guns, certainly a rarity to see female in this role. Isn't it also premature to say female, what if the their pronouns where he/him?

Try not to be a d*ck.......

Transgender....you can apologize now if you'd like.

... sure when Christians apologize for demonizing transgender people

At least we know you are now on the side of violence.

Are transgender individuals Christians?

Are you?

I am a Christian. You didn’t answer my question. Are transgender individuals Christians? Are any of them?

Depends on them, it is an individual/personal decision. But yes, if they accept Christ in to their lives.

Do we say that of Episcopalians "accept Christ in to their lives"? Not the phraseology we'd generally use...but ok, a whole lot of self anointed "Christians" don't accept Episcopalians as "Christians"...

[MDlaxfan76]

72 should have said right wing, self-annointed "Christians" rather than simply Christians.

His point was valid. So was Kismet's.

I read youth's post as a sneer; feel free to correct that impression if you'd like, youth.

If you are wondering whether gender identity struggles had anything to do with the shooter's motivation, so am I. We likely will learn more from the manifesto left by the shooter. Meanwhile, I think we can wait a heartbeat.

What we do know, apparently, is that the shooter had a bunch of high capacity rapid fire weapons, "legally obtained", and used them to kill children and adults at a "Christian" school they had attended as a child. Fortunately, the killing was stopped by the police before the massacre was even worse.

No sneer at all. This IS the age we live in, when I read it was reported that it was a female my spidey senses went up, as I noted.

I am also looking forward to learning more, but will guess that we will not learn anything IF it goes against the grain of the LGBTQ+ community...it most certainly will go against Christianity, they are always a target, and know this.

Wonder if they will announce if the shooter was on any meds, short and/or long term....also a tox report should be mandatory information shared to the public for all criminals post autopsy.

Why do you think "Christianity, they are always a target, and know this"???
Do you mean the self annointed, exclusionary "Christians" who, unlike Christ's instructions, decide who gets to go to heaven and who not? Might that bother everyone else, including Christians who don't share those exclusionary bigotries?

And what is the "grain of the LGBTQ+ community"...a desire for respect, not bigotry?

Back to the shooter. Apparently born female (Audrey), but identifies as male (Aiden), at least some of the time. Reporting isn't fully clear on that yet.

By "meds", are you suggesting that too much testosterone might be the problem?

Heck of a lot of trans that direction never commit violent acts, so pretty darn unlikely to realistically ascribe this to such, but hey, if that makes you more comfortable than wondering whether the shooter had been bullied as a child for their sense of "difference"...

Me, I'll wait until we know more...

[Typical Lax Dad]

Another school shooting - this time in Nashville TN at a religious elementary school - so far three students and the shooter are confirmed deceased.

But nothing to see here, so please move along

Reading that it is a female with multiple guns, certainly a rarity to see female in this role. Isn't it also premature to say female, what if the their pronouns where he/him?

Try not to be a d*ck.......

Transgender....you can apologize now if you'd like.

... sure when Christians apologize for demonizing transgender people

At least we know you are now on the side of violence.

Are transgender individuals Christians?

Are you?

I am a Christian. You didn’t answer my question. Are transgender individuals Christians? Are any of them?

Depends on them, it is an individual/personal decision. But yes, if they accept Christ in to their lives.

Do we say that of Episcopalians "accept Christ in to their lives"? Not the phraseology we'd generally use...but ok, a whole lot of self anointed "Christians" don't accept Episcopalians as "Christians"...

That may be why YA was asking.

[ardilla secreta]

Another case of parents oblivious or callous to adult child hoarding guns, cammo gear, vests, etc at their home. I just don’t understand how that keeps happening. You have to wonder if parents had tried to get her some therapy relief or just ask her to pray.

Tennessee allows open carry for 21+ and there is current legislation to make it 18+. I’ll bet that goes through with ease.

[MDlaxfan76]

Another school shooting - this time in Nashville TN at a religious elementary school - so far three students and the shooter are confirmed deceased.

But nothing to see here, so please move along

Reading that it is a female with multiple guns, certainly a rarity to see female in this role. Isn't it also premature to say female, what if the their pronouns where he/him?

Try not to be a d*ck.......

Transgender....you can apologize now if you'd like.

... sure when Christians apologize for demonizing transgender people

At least we know you are now on the side of violence.

Are transgender individuals Christians?

Are you?

I am a Christian. You didn’t answer my question. Are transgender individuals Christians? Are any of them?

Depends on them, it is an individual/personal decision. But yes, if they accept Christ in to their lives.

Do we say that of Episcopalians "accept Christ in to their lives"? Not the phraseology we'd generally use...but ok, a whole lot of self anointed "Christians" don't accept Episcopalians as "Christians"...

That may be why YA was asking.

At least some self anointed, exclusionary "Christians" think that transgender, indeed any LGBTQ+, are not 'accepting Christ in to their lives" else they would reject those gender identity and sexual preference choices altogether. In their eyes (not Christ's IMO) people need to make a choice...in their view, there are only two genders and each has their role and purpose in life defined by those genders, and anything outside of such is sinful and a rejection of Christ...they "invite" LGBTQ+ to make that choice...saying they 'love the sinner, hate the sin'.

I'm not sure where youth comes down on that. Fair question.

[youthathletics]

72 should have said right wing, self-annointed "Christians" rather than simply Christians.

His point was valid. So was Kismet's.

I read youth's post as a sneer; feel free to correct that impression if you'd like, youth.

If you are wondering whether gender identity struggles had anything to do with the shooter's motivation, so am I. We likely will learn more from the manifesto left by the shooter. Meanwhile, I think we can wait a heartbeat.

What we do know, apparently, is that the shooter had a bunch of high capacity rapid fire weapons, "legally obtained", and used them to kill children and adults at a "Christian" school they had attended as a child. Fortunately, the killing was stopped by the police before the massacre was even worse.

No sneer at all. This IS the age we live in, when I read it was reported that it was a female my spidey senses went up, as I noted.

I am also looking forward to learning more, but will guess that we will not learn anything IF it goes against the grain of the LGBTQ+ community...it most certainly will go against Christianity, they are always a target, and know this.

Wonder if they will announce if the shooter was on any meds, short and/or long term....also a tox report should be mandatory information shared to the public for all criminals post autopsy.

Why do you think "Christianity, they are always a target, and know this"???
Do you mean the self annointed, exclusionary "Christians" who, unlike Christ's instructions, decide who gets to go to heaven and who not? Might that bother everyone else, including Christians who don't share those exclusionary bigotries?

And what is the "grain of the LGBTQ+ community"...a desire for respect, not bigotry?

Back to the shooter. Apparently born female (Audrey), but identifies as male (Aiden), at least some of the time. Reporting isn't fully clear on that yet.

By "meds", are you suggesting that too much testosterone might be the problem?

Heck of a lot of trans that direction never commit violent acts, so pretty darn unlikely to realistically ascribe this to such, but hey, if that makes you more comfortable than wondering whether the shooter had been bullied as a child for their sense of "difference"...

Me, I'll wait until we know more...

I am speaking general terms....Christians, in general are a target by those that are not. WE see it daily, everywhere.
Media does not want to remotely touch any connotation that could be perceived as a negative WRT to LGBTQ+.
Meds in general...completely unrelated to any one demo. But in this instance, it could be testosterone or some gene therapy, or Psych meds.

I agree, we do need to wait, but we can certainly discuss hypotheticals, knowing they are not facts.

[youthathletics]

Another school shooting - this time in Nashville TN at a religious elementary school - so far three students and the shooter are confirmed deceased.

But nothing to see here, so please move along

Reading that it is a female with multiple guns, certainly a rarity to see female in this role. Isn't it also premature to say female, what if the their pronouns where he/him?

Try not to be a d*ck.......

Transgender....you can apologize now if you'd like.

... sure when Christians apologize for demonizing transgender people

At least we know you are now on the side of violence.

Are transgender individuals Christians?

Are you?

I am a Christian. You didn’t answer my question. Are transgender individuals Christians? Are any of them?

Depends on them, it is an individual/personal decision. But yes, if they accept Christ in to their lives.

Do we say that of Episcopalians "accept Christ in to their lives"? Not the phraseology we'd generally use...but ok, a whole lot of self anointed "Christians" don't accept Episcopalians as "Christians"...

That may be why YA was asking.

At least some self anointed, exclusionary "Christians" think that transgender, indeed any LGBTQ+, are not 'accepting Christ in to their lives" else they would reject those gender identity and sexual preference choices altogether. In their eyes (not Christ's IMO) people need to make a choice...in their view, there are only two genders and each has their role and purpose in life defined by those genders, and anything outside of such is sinful and a rejection of Christ...they "invite" LGBTQ+ to make that choice...saying they 'love the sinner, hate the sin'.

I'm not sure where youth comes down on that. Fair question.

I have no clue what you two are speculating or reading into my earlier comment. A relationship with Christ, is between the person and Christ....who gives a dump what others think.....Full stop.

[Typical Lax Dad]

72 should have said right wing, self-annointed "Christians" rather than simply Christians.

His point was valid. So was Kismet's.

I read youth's post as a sneer; feel free to correct that impression if you'd like, youth.

If you are wondering whether gender identity struggles had anything to do with the shooter's motivation, so am I. We likely will learn more from the manifesto left by the shooter. Meanwhile, I think we can wait a heartbeat.

What we do know, apparently, is that the shooter had a bunch of high capacity rapid fire weapons, "legally obtained", and used them to kill children and adults at a "Christian" school they had attended as a child. Fortunately, the killing was stopped by the police before the massacre was even worse.

No sneer at all. This IS the age we live in, when I read it was reported that it was a female my spidey senses went up, as I noted.

I am also looking forward to learning more, but will guess that we will not learn anything IF it goes against the grain of the LGBTQ+ community...it most certainly will go against Christianity, they are always a target, and know this.

Wonder if they will announce if the shooter was on any meds, short and/or long term....also a tox report should be mandatory information shared to the public for all criminals post autopsy.

Why do you think "Christianity, they are always a target, and know this"???
Do you mean the self annointed, exclusionary "Christians" who, unlike Christ's instructions, decide who gets to go to heaven and who not? Might that bother everyone else, including Christians who don't share those exclusionary bigotries?

And what is the "grain of the LGBTQ+ community"...a desire for respect, not bigotry?

Back to the shooter. Apparently born female (Audrey), but identifies as male (Aiden), at least some of the time. Reporting isn't fully clear on that yet.

By "meds", are you suggesting that too much testosterone might be the problem?

Heck of a lot of trans that direction never commit violent acts, so pretty darn unlikely to realistically ascribe this to such, but hey, if that makes you more comfortable than wondering whether the shooter had been bullied as a child for their sense of "difference"...

Me, I'll wait until we know more...

I am speaking general terms....Christians, in general are a target by those that are not. WE see it daily, everywhere.
Media does not want to remotely touch any connotation that could be perceived as a negative WRT to LGBTQ+.
Meds in general...completely unrelated to any one demo. But in this instance, it could be testosterone or some gene therapy, or Psych meds.

I agree, we do need to wait, but we can certainly discuss hypotheticals, knowing they are not facts.

You full of testosterone? You ever want to shoot up a school full of children? Was “Aiden” on testosterone drugs or was this ‘roid rage? What kind of “gene” therapy was the shooter receiving to go from Audrey to Aiden?

[MDlaxfan76]

72 should have said right wing, self-annointed "Christians" rather than simply Christians.

His point was valid. So was Kismet's.

I read youth's post as a sneer; feel free to correct that impression if you'd like, youth.

If you are wondering whether gender identity struggles had anything to do with the shooter's motivation, so am I. We likely will learn more from the manifesto left by the shooter. Meanwhile, I think we can wait a heartbeat.

What we do know, apparently, is that the shooter had a bunch of high capacity rapid fire weapons, "legally obtained", and used them to kill children and adults at a "Christian" school they had attended as a child. Fortunately, the killing was stopped by the police before the massacre was even worse.

No sneer at all. This IS the age we live in, when I read it was reported that it was a female my spidey senses went up, as I noted.

I am also looking forward to learning more, but will guess that we will not learn anything IF it goes against the grain of the LGBTQ+ community...it most certainly will go against Christianity, they are always a target, and know this.

Wonder if they will announce if the shooter was on any meds, short and/or long term....also a tox report should be mandatory information shared to the public for all criminals post autopsy.

Why do you think "Christianity, they are always a target, and know this"???
Do you mean the self annointed, exclusionary "Christians" who, unlike Christ's instructions, decide who gets to go to heaven and who not? Might that bother everyone else, including Christians who don't share those exclusionary bigotries?

And what is the "grain of the LGBTQ+ community"...a desire for respect, not bigotry?

Back to the shooter. Apparently born female (Audrey), but identifies as male (Aiden), at least some of the time. Reporting isn't fully clear on that yet.

By "meds", are you suggesting that too much testosterone might be the problem?

Heck of a lot of trans that direction never commit violent acts, so pretty darn unlikely to realistically ascribe this to such, but hey, if that makes you more comfortable than wondering whether the shooter had been bullied as a child for their sense of "difference"...

Me, I'll wait until we know more...

I am speaking general terms....Christians, in general are a target by those that are not. WE see it daily, everywhere.
Media does not want to remotely touch any connotation that could be perceived as a negative WRT to LGBTQ+.
Meds in general...completely unrelated to any one demo. But in this instance, it could be testosterone or some gene therapy, or Psych meds.

I agree, we do need to wait, but we can certainly discuss hypotheticals, knowing they are not facts.

Which "Christians"?

I can assure you that I don't feel I'm a "target" because I'm Christian, but then I'm not bigoted against those who aren't "Christian" in the ways that exclusionary "Christians" say they are.

Do you see the difference?
Or is the "WE" defined as exclusionary "Christian" and I'm not "Christian"?

As to "Media", there's a heck of a lot of "Media" that is openly hostile to LGBTQ+...or do you just mean not right-wing propagandist "media" TV, newspapers, internet sites, etc...just the 'media' where they at least attempt to exercise journalism with a broad audience? What some would call "mainstream"?

Yup, mainstream media is not going to purposely insult the LGBTQ+ community...why? Because the mainstream audience wants people treated with basic respect on those matters. Not so on hard right wing media.

The right wing has lost its sh-t on this topic ever since marriage became the law of the land. Blows their mind. Never mind that an overwhelming majority of Americans support marriage equality rights. It's not "Christian" according to right wing "believers" and the grifters who play them for money and votes.

I understand an interest in looking at whether various meds could cause a person to act violently, (totally independent of this particular person) but it's far more likely that if meds were present in such cases, they were an indication that the person was actually getting some sort of care for their mental challenges...more likely that going off of one's meds would be the trigger for a schizophrenic or such event. Not that the meds caused the violence.