the ball is placed before the fogos even get there. can u think of examples on video (espn, etc.) where this happened? maybe an equipment violation is all i can think of. once asked to go down, they have to do it in a certain way and it's not rocket science. and the fogos know the rules. otherwise, it's a delay and an infraction. that's not on the officials. the only thing i'd change is if fogo has his stick leaning too much, to warn and reset as he's spotting that by eye.Laxattackjack wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:31 am My biggest issue with faceoffs is the inconsistency of the infractions. Too many times, I have seen possession awarded before the ball was even placed. What the heck. How can you have an infraction before the whistle???
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I looked at the stats for 6 random teams, two in each Division. This is the % of face off violations in all of their games, it includes their team and their opponents violations. This is a total of 47 games. The average for these 6 teams and 47 games is 16.14% of all faceoffs end up with a violation.
U of Virginia = 13.6%
Ohio State = 16.8%
U of Tampa = 15.4%
Frostburg = 20.1%
Roanoke = 16.3%
Dickinson = 14.7%
Is 16% too many? I think it is. Figure out a different way so that the battle for possession is determined by the players every time. Sooner or later a big game will be severely affected by a faceoff violation call.
U of Virginia = 13.6%
Ohio State = 16.8%
U of Tampa = 15.4%
Frostburg = 20.1%
Roanoke = 16.3%
Dickinson = 14.7%
Is 16% too many? I think it is. Figure out a different way so that the battle for possession is determined by the players every time. Sooner or later a big game will be severely affected by a faceoff violation call.
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wouldn't this include going early, holding, withholding, kicking stick, etc.? that's the players?JustOneTime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:09 pm I looked at the stats for 6 random teams, two in each Division. This is the % of face off violations in all of their games, it includes their team and their opponents violations. This is a total of 47 games. The average for these 6 teams and 47 games is 16.14% of all faceoffs end up with a violation.
U of Virginia = 13.6%
Ohio State = 16.8%
U of Tampa = 15.4%
Frostburg = 20.1%
Roanoke = 16.3%
Dickinson = 14.7%
Is 16% too many? I think it is. Figure out a different way so that the battle for possession is determined by the players every time. Sooner or later a big game will be severely affected by a faceoff violation call.
@ one out of every 6 faceoffs and all the one goal games, it'd seem like many big games would've already been seriously affected by a faceoff violation call, however you define that.
the new-ish sng seems to have gotten the ball out pretty quick. we're probably in the best spot we've been @ in years. some teams have better wing play than others. a focus on that can help teams that don't have a dominant fogo. as well as strategies for when their faceoff guy has the rock.
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In a nutshell, the advantage of the face-off is that you can get the ball back after scoring a goal. The disadvantage is that overspecialization renders players who only face off and who typically do not huddle with the rest of the team to have an outsized influence on the game.
Just when I think we need some kind of rule change that would require the face-off man to do more than face off and get off, I find myself cringing when the FOGO on the team I follow most closely stays on the field to play offense. Then it’s, “Thanks for getting the ball. Now run to the box so we can get an offensive middie out there!”
Just when I think we need some kind of rule change that would require the face-off man to do more than face off and get off, I find myself cringing when the FOGO on the team I follow most closely stays on the field to play offense. Then it’s, “Thanks for getting the ball. Now run to the box so we can get an offensive middie out there!”
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Bring back the substitution horn. Navy #26 is a ssdm & FO wing who comes on for EMO. He has 3 goals in transition & 17 shots this season.molo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:31 pm Just when I think we need some kind of rule change that would require the face-off man to do more than face off and get off, I find myself cringing when the FOGO on the team I follow most closely stays on the field to play offense. Then it’s, “Thanks for getting the ball. Now run to the box so we can get an offensive middie out there!”
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Why do many, if not most, Navy posters refer to their players by #? I don't see this so much by other posters.old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:37 pmBring back the substitution horn. Navy #26 is a ssdm & FO wing who comes on for EMO. He has 3 goals in transition & 17 shots this season.molo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:31 pm Just when I think we need some kind of rule change that would require the face-off man to do more than face off and get off, I find myself cringing when the FOGO on the team I follow most closely stays on the field to play offense. Then it’s, “Thanks for getting the ball. Now run to the box so we can get an offensive middie out there!”
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Speaking for myself, that's how I remember them & you're most likely to see them.JHU69 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:02 pmWhy do many, if not most, Navy posters refer to their players by #? I don't see this so much by other posters.old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:37 pmBring back the substitution horn. Navy #26 is a ssdm & FO wing who comes on for EMO. He has 3 goals in transition & 17 shots this season.molo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:31 pm Just when I think we need some kind of rule change that would require the face-off man to do more than face off and get off, I find myself cringing when the FOGO on the team I follow most closely stays on the field to play offense. Then it’s, “Thanks for getting the ball. Now run to the box so we can get an offensive middie out there!”
Also, some have hard names to remember how to spell correctly.
#26 = https://navysports.com/sports/mens-lacr ... ters/23726
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Jackson Peters is hard to remember or spell
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I do it to avoid dropping player names on the internet and b/c when watching a game while taking stats, you do not need to call out numbers, then put names to them….you can do that afterward. Especially for both teams, b/c we seldom know player names for the opponent.JHU69 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:02 pmWhy do many, if not most, Navy posters refer to their players by #? I don't see this so much by other posters.old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:37 pmBring back the substitution horn. Navy #26 is a ssdm & FO wing who comes on for EMO. He has 3 goals in transition & 17 shots this season.molo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:31 pm Just when I think we need some kind of rule change that would require the face-off man to do more than face off and get off, I find myself cringing when the FOGO on the team I follow most closely stays on the field to play offense. Then it’s, “Thanks for getting the ball. Now run to the box so we can get an offensive middie out there!”
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It's old Hopkins weenies. They complain about everything & are happy calling out players by name.youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:21 pmI do it to avoid dropping player names on the internet and b/c when watching a game while taking stats, you do not need to call out numbers, then put names to them….you can do that afterward. Especially for both teams, b/c we seldom know player names for the opponent.
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Navy #26 FOGO per Old Salt
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