old salt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:56 pm
You need to understand that it's insulting to dismiss my every opinion as Fox induced.
I agree. Except---that's not what I do. The ONLY time I dismiss your opinion is under three conditions:
1. it's a ridiculous position that you would NEVER hold if we were discussing Democrats instead of Republican, or vice versa.
2. It's the flavor of the month at Fox.
3. You use the EXACT same language....verbatim....as FoxNews to describe your complaint or excuse.
That's it. When you do those three things? Come on, man. Of COURSE it's FoxNation nonsense.
So if you'll recall? I was on board with your INTIAL accusations of your Deep State. Listened to your complaints. And waited for evidence of what your claim was: that multiple people in the Federal Government were conspiring------conspiring together-----to take Trump out. I was good with that.
The problem, as you STILL won't admit is where the FoxNonsense comes in.
1.there's ZERO evidence of this. Zippo. Did you change your mind after six (SIX!) investigations into your Deep State found nothing? Nope. Did you say "well, I guess I was wrong. No evidence of this conspiracy". Nope. Can you not understand how annoying this is?
2. Did you, at the same time, DEMAND evidence of Trump's Russia collusion. You bet your sweet bippy. For that? Old Salt wants evidence. If there's no evidence, he mocks the very idea of Russian Collusion. This is the FoxNonsense----one standard for Collusion, totally different standard for your Deep State. Your Deep State doesn't need evidence. Do you not see how annoying this game is? Sorry man, but on this count, you DESERVE to be mocked.
3. You ignored every single piece of TrumpNonsense, and pretend it never happened. Classic FoxNonsense. Nonsense that we now know the Tuckers and Hannity's don't believe themselves. They're selling you this stuff......that hiring Manafort, a guy on Putin's payroll who was convicted of trying to hide said business with Putin is no biggie. That the FBI would be NUTS to look into that relationship, and ask "why the F did Trump hire this guy...what's going on?"
Or TrumpTower Moscow....."Tower? What Tower?"
Trump gets caught with documents about building said Tower Then you get "Oh THAT Tower.
Or "forgetting" to tell election officials about meeting a Russian spy, looking for dirt on Hillary. That's TeamTrump TRYING to work with Russia. Did this bother you? Even a little? F no. Instead of flipping out at those idiots for not calling the FBI IMMEDIATELY....you give them excuses for being stupid. And then go right back railing against the FBI for daring to investigate this stuff. These excuses are just....exhausting.
4. You called all the lying TeamTrump did.....felonies...."process crimes". Mocking them on one hand, while on the other act like you're too stupid to understand that it was all the lying that attracted the attention of the FBI in the first place. Acting like that's a footnote, rather than the whole enchilada that wasted a Nation's time as we tried to figure out "why the F are ALL of these men lying every time we mention Russia".
Turns out, they're just idiots. But THAT is what led to all the investigations. Do you admit this? F no. And that's the FoxNonsense....ignoring obvious evidence because it ruins your conspiracy.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. You yourself said Trump is unfit for office. So why the F did you waste SO MUCH ENERGY defending all this shenanigans? Who fired Comey? That's right. Trump. Brought it all on himself. Don't want investigations? Don't lie. Simple.
5. The last one? You and FoxNation don't complain or run stories about your Deep State anymore. It's gone. Poof. What does that tell you?
It tells ME that neither of you believe in a Deep State. Because to top all of this off? Every FBI official dealing with Trump was a freaking Republican. All of them. Hunter's been under investigation for YEARS now. Have any complaints about that?
No. Why? Because suddenly, neither you nor Fox give a sh(t if the Deep State is targeting Dems. It never once occurs to you to complain. Or ask "why the F is the FBI investigating a private citizen who's not in government...and taking longer to rake him over the coals than we spent investigating 9/11?
So guess what all that does to me? It annoys the heck out of me, because it tells me that this was nothing more than whining about "your guy" getting rightfully investigated. When the shoe is on the other foot, and they're going after a Dem? You lose interest, and don't care.
Sorry man, what am I supposed to conclude here?
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:56 pm
I was often ahead of them on things like the Deep State agenda, leaks, the Russia collusion hoax & Flynn being targeted as soon as he joined the Trump campaign, & events proved me right.
Great. Make your case: who is in your Deep State? When did they meet? And what laws did they break?
You've got the floor.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:56 pm
Which you still refuse to acknowledge. You don't recognize how hypocritical your attitude toward me is. I recognize you for who are & respect your beliefs & opinions when you state them, even when I disagree.
Calling me "naive". Or just this week, mocking me for not "giving up a bone", implying that for the 1,000th time, your opinion is right, and mine is wrong?
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:56 pm
74 million of your fellow citizens voted for Trump (& I wasn't one of them), because they agreed with his policies, decisions & the people he appointed.
Projection. You have NO CLUE why those people voted for him. But I have to say---the idea that they agreed with Trump's policies? I'd wager half of them couldn't name what those policies were. And as I said....his "policies" changed by the tweet, assuming he had one in the first place.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:56 pm
I rolled with much of Obama's BS because there was no available alternative.
Yeah....no. You didn't. Your criticism flowed. Come on...you're telling me you don't remember?
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:56 pm
You lIbs were a lot less nasty before Trump.
Not a lib. This is an insult....as you know.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:56 pm
I lose my sense of humor when a stubborn, dottering old fool gives us the Afghan pullout disaster
Yeah, this is FoxNation nonsense. Know how I know? YOU taught us that when it comes to military stuff? If you can't come up with a better plan? It's just partisan whining.
And what did you say when I asked you "how would you pull out of Afghanistan, where you could GUARANTEE fewer than the KIA's in Biden's pullout.
Your answer, if you'll recall, was "don't leave". Sorry, by your own rules, this is partisan whining.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:56 pm
............ & is dragging us into WW-III over a border dispute between corrupt Russian oligarchs,
Meh. He stood up to Putin. Just like Republicans want. Next time? Complain when Trump sends arms. That put us on the slippery slope.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:56 pm
.........while our southern border collapses & the cartels & home grown criminals run amok in our country.
Same as it ever was. You're just convinced Trump shut it down. He didn't.
When DeSantis wins? Are you going to sit idly by, as he does nothing but theater to "fix" our immigration and Visa system? Or are you and your Republican voters going to hold him accountable for getting it done?
If you do the same thing you did with Trump: cheer, no matter what he does? DeSantis will do nothing but line pockets.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:56 pm
Not to mention what he's doing to the economy.
What did he do? Want to yell at him for inaction? Sure. Go right ahead, and I'll join you. Outside of his Infrastructure Bill and the Chips act? He's not helping the working class.
But what did he DO that you think led to this economy?