Is America a racist nation?

[Typical Lax Dad]

I mentioned a few years ago that if we invested in our people early on we wouldn’t spend so much on housing people in prison, could have lower policing expenses and have more productive people paying more taxes and in increase overall productivity of the population. We are being sub optimized as a nation. Cradleandshoot called it handouts and a lack of parental responsibility…..oh well.

My wife can tell you where the lines diverge-----it's MUCH cheaper to invest in kids early---the poor especially------instead of throwing everyone in jail when it's too late.

Said it a million times-----we should be using our MASSIVE GDP to absolutely smoke other nations. I that that we don't.

Absolutely. It’s an investment and our society would benefit.

+100

Great map, a fan.

Let's just say that my hometown, Baltimore is not "defunded", either on a cost per resident, share of total city budget, nor # of police per resident...and yet...damn liberals.

This chart should bother us.

Notice the "socialist" countries that actually invest in their people have the lowest rates?

This, btw, is what a policy wonks mean by "defund the police". They mean: take the money we're blowing on police and jails, and INVEST in your communities and your kids. If you do that? You won't need the doggone jails.

And again, I agree it's a stupid, stupid way of phrasing it.

Yep. It’s a terrible phrase. And unfortunately politicians take it and redefine it and flood the zone with continuous messaging….same thing going on with “CRT” now. “Right wing” has always been exceptional at staying on message. This Iowa schoolteacher thing is insane. You can’t say “slavery is bad”….I guess you can’t say the Holocaust was bad. Insane. CRT has nothing to do with K-12 education but “Republicans” have told their folks that it’s in elementary schools.

[youthathletics]

I mentioned a few years ago that if we invested in our people early on we wouldn’t spend so much on housing people in prison, could have lower policing expenses and have more productive people paying more taxes and in increase overall productivity of the population. We are being sub optimized as a nation. Cradleandshoot called it handouts and a lack of parental responsibility…..oh well.

My wife can tell you where the lines diverge-----it's MUCH cheaper to invest in kids early---the poor especially------instead of throwing everyone in jail when it's too late.

Said it a million times-----we should be using our MASSIVE GDP to absolutely smoke other nations. I that that we don't.

Absolutely. It’s an investment and our society would benefit.

+100

Great map, a fan.

Let's just say that my hometown, Baltimore is not "defunded", either on a cost per resident, share of total city budget, nor # of police per resident...and yet...damn liberals.

This chart should bother us.

Notice the "socialist" countries that actually invest in their people have the lowest rates?

This, btw, is what a policy wonks mean by "defund the police". They mean: take the money we're blowing on police and jails, and INVEST in your communities and your kids. If you do that? You won't need the doggone jails.

And again, I agree it's a stupid, stupid way of phrasing it.

So this slide says we need to be socialists so people of color are not as incarcerated? Or that the US does not provide enough for people of color?

[Typical Lax Dad]

I mentioned a few years ago that if we invested in our people early on we wouldn’t spend so much on housing people in prison, could have lower policing expenses and have more productive people paying more taxes and in increase overall productivity of the population. We are being sub optimized as a nation. Cradleandshoot called it handouts and a lack of parental responsibility…..oh well.

My wife can tell you where the lines diverge-----it's MUCH cheaper to invest in kids early---the poor especially------instead of throwing everyone in jail when it's too late.

Said it a million times-----we should be using our MASSIVE GDP to absolutely smoke other nations. I that that we don't.

Absolutely. It’s an investment and our society would benefit.

+100

Great map, a fan.

Let's just say that my hometown, Baltimore is not "defunded", either on a cost per resident, share of total city budget, nor # of police per resident...and yet...damn liberals.

This chart should bother us.

Notice the "socialist" countries that actually invest in their people have the lowest rates?

This, btw, is what a policy wonks mean by "defund the police". They mean: take the money we're blowing on police and jails, and INVEST in your communities and your kids. If you do that? You won't need the doggone jails.

And again, I agree it's a stupid, stupid way of phrasing it.

So this slide says we need to be socialists so people of color are not as incarcerated? Or that the US does not provide enough for people of color?

We need to pray more

[youthathletics]

I mentioned a few years ago that if we invested in our people early on we wouldn’t spend so much on housing people in prison, could have lower policing expenses and have more productive people paying more taxes and in increase overall productivity of the population. We are being sub optimized as a nation. Cradleandshoot called it handouts and a lack of parental responsibility…..oh well.

My wife can tell you where the lines diverge-----it's MUCH cheaper to invest in kids early---the poor especially------instead of throwing everyone in jail when it's too late.

Said it a million times-----we should be using our MASSIVE GDP to absolutely smoke other nations. I that that we don't.

Absolutely. It’s an investment and our society would benefit.

+100

Great map, a fan.

Let's just say that my hometown, Baltimore is not "defunded", either on a cost per resident, share of total city budget, nor # of police per resident...and yet...damn liberals.

This chart should bother us.

Notice the "socialist" countries that actually invest in their people have the lowest rates?

This, btw, is what a policy wonks mean by "defund the police". They mean: take the money we're blowing on police and jails, and INVEST in your communities and your kids. If you do that? You won't need the doggone jails.

And again, I agree it's a stupid, stupid way of phrasing it.

So this slide says we need to be socialists so people of color are not as incarcerated? Or that the US does not provide enough for people of color?

We need to pray more

and love bombing would help.

[Farfromgeneva]

I mentioned a few years ago that if we invested in our people early on we wouldn’t spend so much on housing people in prison, could have lower policing expenses and have more productive people paying more taxes and in increase overall productivity of the population. We are being sub optimized as a nation. Cradleandshoot called it handouts and a lack of parental responsibility…..oh well.

My wife can tell you where the lines diverge-----it's MUCH cheaper to invest in kids early---the poor especially------instead of throwing everyone in jail when it's too late.

Said it a million times-----we should be using our MASSIVE GDP to absolutely smoke other nations. I that that we don't.

Absolutely. It’s an investment and our society would benefit.

+100

Great map, a fan.

Let's just say that my hometown, Baltimore is not "defunded", either on a cost per resident, share of total city budget, nor # of police per resident...and yet...damn liberals.

This chart should bother us.

Notice the "socialist" countries that actually invest in their people have the lowest rates?

This, btw, is what a policy wonks mean by "defund the police". They mean: take the money we're blowing on police and jails, and INVEST in your communities and your kids. If you do that? You won't need the doggone jails.

And again, I agree it's a stupid, stupid way of phrasing it.

So this slide says we need to be socialists so people of color are not as incarcerated? Or that the US does not provide enough for people of color?

We need to pray more

and love bombing would help.

I love bomb every day in the shower, if not elsewhere…

[Typical Lax Dad]

I mentioned a few years ago that if we invested in our people early on we wouldn’t spend so much on housing people in prison, could have lower policing expenses and have more productive people paying more taxes and in increase overall productivity of the population. We are being sub optimized as a nation. Cradleandshoot called it handouts and a lack of parental responsibility…..oh well.

My wife can tell you where the lines diverge-----it's MUCH cheaper to invest in kids early---the poor especially------instead of throwing everyone in jail when it's too late.

Said it a million times-----we should be using our MASSIVE GDP to absolutely smoke other nations. I that that we don't.

Absolutely. It’s an investment and our society would benefit.

+100

Great map, a fan.

Let's just say that my hometown, Baltimore is not "defunded", either on a cost per resident, share of total city budget, nor # of police per resident...and yet...damn liberals.

This chart should bother us.

Notice the "socialist" countries that actually invest in their people have the lowest rates?

This, btw, is what a policy wonks mean by "defund the police". They mean: take the money we're blowing on police and jails, and INVEST in your communities and your kids. If you do that? You won't need the doggone jails.

And again, I agree it's a stupid, stupid way of phrasing it.

So this slide says we need to be socialists so people of color are not as incarcerated? Or that the US does not provide enough for people of color?

We need to pray more

and love bombing would help.

Yep.

[cradleandshoot]

I have not been lectured to by the forum brain trust in a few weeks. It is time to invite myself for another verbal beatdown. There is a new ad on TV excoriating the tobacco industry for marketing menthol cigarettes to the black communities around America. The tobacco companies have not been able to advertise or market their deadly products since the early 70s. I don't know they can target any specific group of people. They distribute their cancer sticks to stores that sell them to whoever chooses to smoke a particular brand. When I was in the service the vast majority of black soldiers smoked Newports. The vast majority of white soldiers smoked Marlboros or chewed worm dirt. The warning labels on the side of the packs are not specific to any race. If you smoke em they will eventually kill you. I'm guessing the objective of these ads is to shame black people from smoking menthol tobacco products. If you must smoke be more like your fellow white smokers and switch to Marlboros. I'm sure my fellow posters on this forum will enlighten me why I am confused about this. My instincts tell me there is a lawsuit against big tobacco coming down the pike. Those folks at Zippo need to be held accountable as well. They not only manufacture a devise that allows cigarette smokers to light up... they make it windproof too.

[Seacoaster(1)]

I have not been lectured to by the forum brain trust in a few weeks. It is time to invite myself for another verbal beatdown. There is a new ad on TV excoriating the tobacco industry for marketing menthol cigarettes to the black communities around America. The tobacco companies have not been able to advertise or market their deadly products since the early 70s. I don't know they can target any specific group of people. They distribute their cancer sticks to stores that sell them to whoever chooses to smoke a particular brand. When I was in the service the vast majority of black soldiers smoked Newports. The vast majority of white soldiers smoked Marlboros or chewed worm dirt. The warning labels on the side of the packs are not specific to any race. If you smoke em they will eventually kill you. I'm guessing the objective of these ads is to shame black people from smoking menthol tobacco products. If you must smoke be more like your fellow white smokers and switch to Marlboros. I'm sure my fellow posters on this forum will enlighten me why I am confused about this. My instincts tell me there is a lawsuit against big tobacco coming down the pike. Those folks at Zippo need to be held accountable as well. They not only manufacture a devise that allows cigarette smokers to light up... they make it windproof too.

Interesting. I was unaware of this.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/p ... -americans

https://truthinitiative.org/research-re ... liminating

Just curious where you get the notion that the ad of Public Service Announcement (which I haven't seen) means "If you must smoke be more like your fellow white smokers and switch to Marlboros"?

[Farfromgeneva]

I mentioned a few years ago that if we invested in our people early on we wouldn’t spend so much on housing people in prison, could have lower policing expenses and have more productive people paying more taxes and in increase overall productivity of the population. We are being sub optimized as a nation. Cradleandshoot called it handouts and a lack of parental responsibility…..oh well.

My wife can tell you where the lines diverge-----it's MUCH cheaper to invest in kids early---the poor especially------instead of throwing everyone in jail when it's too late.

Said it a million times-----we should be using our MASSIVE GDP to absolutely smoke other nations. I that that we don't.

Absolutely. It’s an investment and our society would benefit.

+100

Great map, a fan.

Let's just say that my hometown, Baltimore is not "defunded", either on a cost per resident, share of total city budget, nor # of police per resident...and yet...damn liberals.

This chart should bother us.

Notice the "socialist" countries that actually invest in their people have the lowest rates?

This, btw, is what a policy wonks mean by "defund the police". They mean: take the money we're blowing on police and jails, and INVEST in your communities and your kids. If you do that? You won't need the doggone jails.

And again, I agree it's a stupid, stupid way of phrasing it.

Yep. It’s a terrible phrase. And unfortunately politicians take it and redefine it and flood the zone with continuous messaging….same thing going on with “CRT” now. “Right wing” has always been exceptional at staying on message. This Iowa schoolteacher thing is insane. You can’t say “slavery is bad”….I guess you can’t say the Holocaust was bad. Insane. CRT has nothing to do with K-12 education but “Republicans” have told their folks that it’s in elementary schools.

It is fair to point out that Scandinavian countries have very high suicide rates per capita though that has more to do with 3hrs of daylight during winter months I believe.

[cradleandshoot]

I have not been lectured to by the forum brain trust in a few weeks. It is time to invite myself for another verbal beatdown. There is a new ad on TV excoriating the tobacco industry for marketing menthol cigarettes to the black communities around America. The tobacco companies have not been able to advertise or market their deadly products since the early 70s. I don't know they can target any specific group of people. They distribute their cancer sticks to stores that sell them to whoever chooses to smoke a particular brand. When I was in the service the vast majority of black soldiers smoked Newports. The vast majority of white soldiers smoked Marlboros or chewed worm dirt. The warning labels on the side of the packs are not specific to any race. If you smoke em they will eventually kill you. I'm guessing the objective of these ads is to shame black people from smoking menthol tobacco products. If you must smoke be more like your fellow white smokers and switch to Marlboros. I'm sure my fellow posters on this forum will enlighten me why I am confused about this. My instincts tell me there is a lawsuit against big tobacco coming down the pike. Those folks at Zippo need to be held accountable as well. They not only manufacture a devise that allows cigarette smokers to light up... they make it windproof too.

Interesting. I was unaware of this.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/p ... -americans

https://truthinitiative.org/research-re ... liminating

Just curious where you get the notion that the ad of Public Service Announcement (which I haven't seen) means "If you must smoke be more like your fellow white smokers and switch to Marlboros"?

I was being facetious with that comment. There is a big push to ban the sale of menthol tobacco products because they are popular with many black people that smoke. Nowhere in the TV ad is quitting smoking altogether even mentioned. IMO people choose to smoke what they want. Yes there are many products that are marketed and merchandised on the shelves of stores to cater to their clientele. Many bodegas in Urban areas have coolers dedicated only to high alcohol malt liquors and those flavored beverages. One popular one is called LOKO. Many corner stores make big money selling " loosies" to people who can't afford a pack of smokes. My local spirit store has one section of shelves strictly dedicated to cognac with Hennessy being the most popular. That particular brand of cognac is very popular in the black community. It doesn't matter what color someone is to the folks that run these stores. You give your customers what they want. There is a new trend with flavored vodkas. Ciroc is huge into that product. I don't know many people who like wild cherry flavored vodka. There is a huge market for the stuff and I'm pretty sure that target group is under 30.

[MDlaxfan76]

I mentioned a few years ago that if we invested in our people early on we wouldn’t spend so much on housing people in prison, could have lower policing expenses and have more productive people paying more taxes and in increase overall productivity of the population. We are being sub optimized as a nation. Cradleandshoot called it handouts and a lack of parental responsibility…..oh well.

My wife can tell you where the lines diverge-----it's MUCH cheaper to invest in kids early---the poor especially------instead of throwing everyone in jail when it's too late.

Said it a million times-----we should be using our MASSIVE GDP to absolutely smoke other nations. I that that we don't.

Absolutely. It’s an investment and our society would benefit.

+100

Great map, a fan.

Let's just say that my hometown, Baltimore is not "defunded", either on a cost per resident, share of total city budget, nor # of police per resident...and yet...damn liberals.

This chart should bother us.

Notice the "socialist" countries that actually invest in their people have the lowest rates?

This, btw, is what a policy wonks mean by "defund the police". They mean: take the money we're blowing on police and jails, and INVEST in your communities and your kids. If you do that? You won't need the doggone jails.

And again, I agree it's a stupid, stupid way of phrasing it.

Yep. It’s a terrible phrase. And unfortunately politicians take it and redefine it and flood the zone with continuous messaging….same thing going on with “CRT” now. “Right wing” has always been exceptional at staying on message. This Iowa schoolteacher thing is insane. You can’t say “slavery is bad”….I guess you can’t say the Holocaust was bad. Insane. CRT has nothing to do with K-12 education but “Republicans” have told their folks that it’s in elementary schools.

It is fair to point out that Scandinavian countries have very high suicide rates per capita though that has more to do with 3hrs of daylight during winter months I believe.

According to this, the Scandinavian countries historically had high rates of suicide, but that's dropped precipitously and they are now lower than the US. Apparently they also have among the highest "happiness index" in the world...despite the dark...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

[Typical Lax Dad]

I have not been lectured to by the forum brain trust in a few weeks. It is time to invite myself for another verbal beatdown. There is a new ad on TV excoriating the tobacco industry for marketing menthol cigarettes to the black communities around America. The tobacco companies have not been able to advertise or market their deadly products since the early 70s. I don't know they can target any specific group of people. They distribute their cancer sticks to stores that sell them to whoever chooses to smoke a particular brand. When I was in the service the vast majority of black soldiers smoked Newports. The vast majority of white soldiers smoked Marlboros or chewed worm dirt. The warning labels on the side of the packs are not specific to any race. If you smoke em they will eventually kill you. I'm guessing the objective of these ads is to shame black people from smoking menthol tobacco products. If you must smoke be more like your fellow white smokers and switch to Marlboros. I'm sure my fellow posters on this forum will enlighten me why I am confused about this. My instincts tell me there is a lawsuit against big tobacco coming down the pike. Those folks at Zippo need to be held accountable as well. They not only manufacture a devise that allows cigarette smokers to light up... they make it windproof too.

Interesting. I was unaware of this.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/p ... -americans

https://truthinitiative.org/research-re ... liminating

Just curious where you get the notion that the ad of Public Service Announcement (which I haven't seen) means "If you must smoke be more like your fellow white smokers and switch to Marlboros"?

Menthol products were banned in Massachusetts a few years ago.

[Typical Lax Dad]

“In 1964, federal regulators barred tobacco companies from advertising to their key youth demographic. That meant no advertising on college campuses. No handing out free loose cigarettes to people under 21. "It's then that the industry began to pivot aggressively towards targeted marketing in Black communities," said Wailoo.”

"A lot of Black periodicals, like Ebony, became so dependent on tobacco advertising, that they were silent of the devastating impact of smoking in the Black community," he said.

“And the push went beyond just imagery in magazines and billboards. Tobacco industries specifically found influencers in Black communities — Wailoo said it could be a barber, a bellhop — and gave them free samples, to build markets surreptitiously.”

“According to a 2018 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, 85% of Black smokers preferred menthol cigarettes.”

“The FDA had banned flavored cigarettes from being manufactured or sold in 2009. But menthol cigarettes slipped by because of a split in the Black Congressional Caucus -- many of whom looked to campaign donations and support, said Wailoo.””

“According to the FDA proposal, the menthol enhances nicotine's addictiveness.”

Marketing around Marlboro is no different…..

[cradleandshoot]

I have not been lectured to by the forum brain trust in a few weeks. It is time to invite myself for another verbal beatdown. There is a new ad on TV excoriating the tobacco industry for marketing menthol cigarettes to the black communities around America. The tobacco companies have not been able to advertise or market their deadly products since the early 70s. I don't know they can target any specific group of people. They distribute their cancer sticks to stores that sell them to whoever chooses to smoke a particular brand. When I was in the service the vast majority of black soldiers smoked Newports. The vast majority of white soldiers smoked Marlboros or chewed worm dirt. The warning labels on the side of the packs are not specific to any race. If you smoke em they will eventually kill you. I'm guessing the objective of these ads is to shame black people from smoking menthol tobacco products. If you must smoke be more like your fellow white smokers and switch to Marlboros. I'm sure my fellow posters on this forum will enlighten me why I am confused about this. My instincts tell me there is a lawsuit against big tobacco coming down the pike. Those folks at Zippo need to be held accountable as well. They not only manufacture a devise that allows cigarette smokers to light up... they make it windproof too.

Interesting. I was unaware of this.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/p ... -americans

https://truthinitiative.org/research-re ... liminating

Just curious where you get the notion that the ad of Public Service Announcement (which I haven't seen) means "If you must smoke be more like your fellow white smokers and switch to Marlboros"?

Menthol products were banned in Massachusetts a few years ago.

Interesting, who enforces the ban?

[cradleandshoot]

“In 1964, federal regulators barred tobacco companies from advertising to their key youth demographic. That meant no advertising on college campuses. No handing out free loose cigarettes to people under 21. "It's then that the industry began to pivot aggressively towards targeted marketing in Black communities," said Wailoo.”

"A lot of Black periodicals, like Ebony, became so dependent on tobacco advertising, that they were silent of the devastating impact of smoking in the Black community," he said.

“And the push went beyond just imagery in magazines and billboards. Tobacco industries specifically found influencers in Black communities — Wailoo said it could be a barber, a bellhop — and gave them free samples, to build markets surreptitiously.”

“According to a 2018 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, 85% of Black smokers preferred menthol cigarettes.”

“The FDA had banned flavored cigarettes from being manufactured or sold in 2009. But menthol cigarettes slipped by because of a split in the Black Congressional Caucus -- many of whom looked to campaign donations and support, said Wailoo.””

“According to the FDA proposal, the menthol enhances nicotine's addictiveness.”

Marketing around Marlboro is no different…..

The marketing has the same footprint in every convenience store. If you look at the cancer racks behind the counter the merchandising layout is almost always the same. Marlboro products on the top shelf, Newport products on the shelf below. All conveniently placed at eye level for the consumer. That isn't done by accident.

[runrussellrun]

“In 1964, federal regulators barred tobacco companies from advertising to their key youth demographic. That meant no advertising on college campuses. No handing out free loose cigarettes to people under 21. "It's then that the industry began to pivot aggressively towards targeted marketing in Black communities," said Wailoo.”

"A lot of Black periodicals, like Ebony, became so dependent on tobacco advertising, that they were silent of the devastating impact of smoking in the Black community," he said.

“And the push went beyond just imagery in magazines and billboards. Tobacco industries specifically found influencers in Black communities — Wailoo said it could be a barber, a bellhop — and gave them free samples, to build markets surreptitiously.”

“According to a 2018 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, 85% of Black smokers preferred menthol cigarettes.”

“The FDA had banned flavored cigarettes from being manufactured or sold in 2009. But menthol cigarettes slipped by because of a split in the Black Congressional Caucus -- many of whom looked to campaign donations and support, said Wailoo.””

“According to the FDA proposal, the menthol enhances nicotine's addictiveness.”

Marketing around Marlboro is no different…..

....the take would be...umm....they, are, ummm, all the same . all about the addiction to money. We see it that way too.

also, replace "tobacco" with "INSERT: big pharma ADs"...........

Bet YOU are down with Rubellesis.


Georgia elected a US Senator, that IS of African decent. GEORGIA....not Connecticutt or California.......GEORGIA.

Progress..........how's the black community doing in THIS little niche sport ? exactly.

What are you DOING about it ? Nothing.....exactly.

[Typical Lax Dad]

“In 1964, federal regulators barred tobacco companies from advertising to their key youth demographic. That meant no advertising on college campuses. No handing out free loose cigarettes to people under 21. "It's then that the industry began to pivot aggressively towards targeted marketing in Black communities," said Wailoo.”

"A lot of Black periodicals, like Ebony, became so dependent on tobacco advertising, that they were silent of the devastating impact of smoking in the Black community," he said.

“And the push went beyond just imagery in magazines and billboards. Tobacco industries specifically found influencers in Black communities — Wailoo said it could be a barber, a bellhop — and gave them free samples, to build markets surreptitiously.”

“According to a 2018 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, 85% of Black smokers preferred menthol cigarettes.”

“The FDA had banned flavored cigarettes from being manufactured or sold in 2009. But menthol cigarettes slipped by because of a split in the Black Congressional Caucus -- many of whom looked to campaign donations and support, said Wailoo.””

“According to the FDA proposal, the menthol enhances nicotine's addictiveness.”

Marketing around Marlboro is no different…..

The marketing has the same footprint in every convenience store. If you look at the cancer racks behind the counter the merchandising layout is almost always the same. Marlboro products on the top shelf, Newport products on the shelf below. All conveniently placed at eye level for the consumer. That isn't done by accident.

Thanks.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I have not been lectured to by the forum brain trust in a few weeks. It is time to invite myself for another verbal beatdown. There is a new ad on TV excoriating the tobacco industry for marketing menthol cigarettes to the black communities around America. The tobacco companies have not been able to advertise or market their deadly products since the early 70s. I don't know they can target any specific group of people. They distribute their cancer sticks to stores that sell them to whoever chooses to smoke a particular brand. When I was in the service the vast majority of black soldiers smoked Newports. The vast majority of white soldiers smoked Marlboros or chewed worm dirt. The warning labels on the side of the packs are not specific to any race. If you smoke em they will eventually kill you. I'm guessing the objective of these ads is to shame black people from smoking menthol tobacco products. If you must smoke be more like your fellow white smokers and switch to Marlboros. I'm sure my fellow posters on this forum will enlighten me why I am confused about this. My instincts tell me there is a lawsuit against big tobacco coming down the pike. Those folks at Zippo need to be held accountable as well. They not only manufacture a devise that allows cigarette smokers to light up... they make it windproof too.

Interesting. I was unaware of this.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/p ... -americans

https://truthinitiative.org/research-re ... liminating

Just curious where you get the notion that the ad of Public Service Announcement (which I haven't seen) means "If you must smoke be more like your fellow white smokers and switch to Marlboros"?

Menthol products were banned in Massachusetts a few years ago.

Interesting, who enforces the ban?

I don’t know.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... cigarettes.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/1 ... l-00086911