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Kismet wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 2:40 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:52 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:51 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:38 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:33 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:02 am
old salt wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:14 pm [On Jan 6, like the BLM/Antifa riots, you had a core of violent, destructive criminals, hiding in the midst of mostly peaceful protesters.
I'm not giving any of them a pass. I want them all judged equally. The Dems ignored Antifa, even when they burned.
As mentioned, off the deep end. What the heck were you watching during this event? SO FAR....over 1,000 charged and north of 600 convicted or plead guilty to a variety or misdemeanors and felonies including seditious conspiracy. :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

Nowhere close to the protests near Lafayette Park a few years back where you were gloating over Nat Guard helos being used to disperse crowds
That's ok, Kamala told 'em where to go for bail money.

A NG helo hovering over the Capitol steps on Jan 6th would have pushed the crowd back. Especially if it had a loud speaker & door gunners.
Your Tommy tough Nuts guys at the time - how many felonies/misdemeanors did they prosecute and convict?
After Benedict Donald came out of the basement to go to church........ :D :D :D :D :D
It was up to DC, it was their jurisdiction, not the Feds. The Capitol is different.
In what way?
and while you're at it, please do explain that Lafayette and the WH vicinity are under the enforcement control of the US Park Police which last time I checked is a FEDERAL jurisdiction agency just like the Capitol except that that the primary agency of jurisdiction enforcement.
there is the US Capitol police.

DoJ IG issued a report on it - DoJJ is also a FEDERAL agency.

https://www.doioig.gov/reports/review/r ... yette-park

HUMINA! HUMINA!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://washingtonpeacecenter.net/dccops/
When you’re in a protest situation that could become volatile, it is important to keep an eye on the police in the area and know who they are. Most law enforcement agents can be identified by the agency patch on their left shoulder, and by the badge and ID number on their chest. As the federal capital, DC is host to a huge variety of police agencies, protective services, and intelligence operatives. There are dozens of polices forces working in DC! Below is a list of the most important ones.

Metropolitan Police Department – DC’s largest, omnipresent police force. They have a presence at almost every protest in the city, except those on Capitol grounds, and are usually wearing dark blue uniforms. They also have jurisdiction over the street in between the White House and Lafayette Park – Lafayette Park is under under Park Police jurisdiction.

Metro Transit Police – This agency has jurisdiction in DC, MD, and VA and is responsible for keeping us in line on the Metro. They patrol Metro stations and trains, frequently in plainclothes.

Capitol Police – Responsible for the Capitol, Congressional offices and surrounding buildings. Doesn’t have to follow the same rules the MPD does about allowing protests without a permit or giving warnings before arrests. They have the most experience arresting people for civil disobedience, so they tend to be quick and a bit a rough, but they are usually prompt about processing and releasing people.

Park Police – This agency watches over the city’s parks and monuments, including the National Mall and Lafayette Park. They usually wear a white or light blue top, and frequently ride around on bikes on horses.

Secret Service Uniformed Division – These folks provide security for the White House Complex, vice president’s house, the Department of the Treasury, and foreign embassies. They wear dark blue or black uniforms usually, but sometimes wear white shirts in hot weather. They are heavily armed and very rarely have a sense of humor, at least while on duty.

FBI Police – This small division of the FBI is responsible for guarding FBI personnel and facilities, including the D.C. field office, the Hoover Building, the Washington Field Office, and the FBI Academy and Laboratory at Quantico.

CIA Security Protective Service – The SPS is responsible for guarding CIA personnel, facilities and information in the District and elsewhere.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement – ICE has been known to show up at anti-war, immigrant rights, police brutality and other protests. We’re not really sure why. If you or your friends are undocumented or at risk of deportation, please be careful.

AFRH-W Police – The AFRH-W is tied to the Department of Defense and draws on federal officers, investigators and service contractors to provide police services to veteran retirement homes.

Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police – BEP Police are tied to the Department of Treasury and is responsible for enforcing federal and municipal laws pertaining to the Treasury.

Pentagon Police – Established in 2002 as a response to 9/11 to protect the areas surrounding the Pentagon.

Naval District Washington Police – This police division specifically oversees the various naval offices (ie. naval base, research laboratory, observatory, etc)

Supreme Court of the US Police – SCUSP is a small law enforcement agency to provide protection of the US Supreme Court building and surrounding areas.

US Dept. of Homeland Security Federal Protective Service – The FPS is responsible for policing, securing and ensuring that federal agencies can conduct their business with minimal interferance.


The BLM/Antifa riots were mostly on the streets of DC where the DC MPD has primary jurisdiction.
The DC NG helo wasn't over Laf Park. St John's Church & BLM Plaza are not in Laf Park.

The BLM/Antifa riots were not as thoroughly & massively investigated as the Jan 6 riots, nor should they have been.
There aren't sufficient resources or evidence available to thoroughly investigate every riot like Jan 6 was investigated.
That's a factor in the number of arrests & prosecutions. The scale of the Jan 6 investigation is unprecedented (as it should be, imo)
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A column on the disgrace that is Carlson, and the ignoramuses who listen to him:

https://aaronrupar.substack.com/p/tucke ... dium=email

"After Fox News’s Tucker Carlson teamed up with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy to recast the insurrectionists of January 6 as righteous victims, many were struck by Carlson’s astounding shamelessness. After all, Tucker privately heaped scorn on the conspiracy theorists who encouraged the coup attempt, including Donald Trump himself.

“I hate him passionately,” Carlson said about Trump in a January 2021 text to a member of his staff, released in connection with Dominion Voting Systems’ defamation lawsuit against Fox News.

In the recently revealed internal Fox correspondence, Carlson expressed alarm that the allegiance of Fox’s far right audience was on the line in the wake of the 2020 election. Tucker was also privately critical of the enthusiasm with which Fox personalities such as Maria Bartiromo spread Trump’s big lie.

But Carlson has never been concerned about being untruthful to the Fox audience. Rather, as a propagandist, he cares most about offering his audience the narratives they are willing to accept, whether they be true or false. The internal Fox documents confirm as much.

You can’t shame the shameless
In a tranche of communications released last month, Carlson complained that Fox's wholly accurate call of Arizona for Biden in the 2020 election — one which was initially controversial, coming as it did before competing networks put the state in Biden’s column — risked "destroying" the network's "credibility" with its Trump-loving viewers.

“We worked really hard to build what we have,” Carlson texted his producer on November 5, 2020. "Those f******s [that called Arizona for Biden] are destroying our credibility. It enrages me."

In other recently released texts, Carlson appeared livid that Fox personalities were giving credence to Sidney "Kraken" Powell's claims that the vote counts of Dominion machines had been manipulated by dead Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1327994880833040385

"The whole thing seems insane to me, and Sidney Powell won't release the evidence," Carlson texted to Laura Ingraham on November 16, 2020. "She's making everyone paranoid and crazy, including me.”

In other messages, Carlson went as far as to accuse Powell of “lying” and called her a “f*****g complain.”

But while Carlson was initially concerned that Powell's contentions were so wacky they would actually undermine claims that the 2020 election was illegitimate, he also wouldn’t wholly disavow her conspiracy theories on air. To the contrary, Carlson told viewers that while Powell had not offered any evidence to back-up her claim that Dominion fabricated votes, that “doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It might’ve happened.”

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1633520419335704576

Ultimately, however, Carlson gave up on such hedging.

Over the ensuing weeks and months, Carlson appears to have realized that he had underestimated his own viewers' gullibility, and failed to recognize the depth of their desire to believe the election had been stolen. His own messages to his audience became all the more untethered from reality.

In late 2021, Carlson hosted a special strongly suggesting that the January 6 attack wasn’t actually the doing of Trump and his supporters, but rather was the product of an FBI false flag operation meant to entrap them. Fast forward another 16 months, and Carlson is now regularly heard on air claiming that Biden's victory was an injustice of historic significance.

On Monday, for instance, Carlson declared: "In retrospect, it is clear the 2020 election was a grave betrayal of American democracy."

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1632910216290353156

Carlson's latest gambit is to selectively present the 1/6 footage McCarthy gave him to reframe the insurrection as an honorable protest against a stolen election — something of a last stand for a lost cause.

In support of this revisionist history, Carlson played, and replayed, snippets of tape showing the insurrectionists during moments in which they were not vandalizing the Capitol or attacking police officers. It’s a bit like insisting arsonists get a bad rap because people don’t pay enough attention to all the times they aren’t burning things down.

Carlson plainly has no concern that the "revelations" he’s offering up are readily shown to be false. For example, he contended Monday that it’s a mystery how the “QAnon Shaman,” Jacob Chansley, entered the Capitol, suggesting he might have been invited in by police.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1632912845309394944

But footage of Chansley's entry into the Capitol is readily available. And it shows he was among the first wave of vandals to break in.

Capitol Police Chief Tom Manger also immediately stated that Carlson’s claim about police officers serving as Chansley’s tour guides was “outrageous and false,” explaining that the officers “did their best to use de-escalation tactics to try to talk rioters into getting each other to leave the building.” But no matter — even after the police chief spoke out, Carlson just kept insisting Tuesday and Wednesday that his out-of-context footage showed police and Chansley working together.

Carlson’s credibility comes from lying

Being exposed as a bald faced liar by people outside the right-wing media-sphere is plainly of no concern to Carlson. His finger is constantly on the pulse of his audience, and he’s wary only of losing their allegiance by telling them facts they don’t want to hear.

For Carlson, the “credibility” he feared Fox might lose by acknowledging Trump’s Arizona loss is not preserved by telling viewers the truth. Rather, it’s maintained by telling them what they want, and are willing, to believe, no matter how false the presentation may be.

Carlson has learned something since he sent texts following the 2020 election questioning whether viewers were prepared to believe that Hugo Chavez was manipulating the nation’s election results from the grave: The right-wing viewership of Fox is willing to believe even the most obvious and absurd lies — as long as those falsehoods support their belief that they are on the side of righteousness and their adversaries on the left are evil.

As Greg Sargent recently observed, the evolution of Carlson and his colleagues into ever more reliable purveyors of absurd lies is actually the culmination of a strategy pursued by the right since Roger Ailes (the architect of Fox News) served as Richard Nixon’s TV producer in 1968: to create a media infrastructure that is entirely self-contained, and wholly untethered to facts.

Now that Carlson recognizes there is, quite literally, no limit to the mendacity his audience will accept in service of their ideological predilections, the danger Tucker and his colleagues pose is almost certain to increase exponentially. And no amount of fact-checking, nor attempts at shaming, will stop Fox from supplying its viewers with the lies they desire."
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Napoleon lied to other animals, Squealer lied to other animals and they both deceived the other animals, but the sad part is that neither of them lied for the better of the other animals. They both lied to get what they want- power over the animals and the farm.….
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a fan,



-I think the BLM riots were from people who were fed up, and who are sick of the broken social contract by their government----a freaking Dem-controlled government, FFS. YOU should join in with their complaints. And then bad actors joined in....regular ol' criminals...for the violent stuff. I know this, because I saw it myself in Denver, and know doggone well that happened in other cities.



Actually, most of them were right wingers:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=proud+boy ... A1&PC=U531


this was especially evident in Portland where, contrary to tRump_Stupid's assertions, the troubles were caused by Proud Boys


and in Minneapolis where it was the Boogaloo Bois: https://www.bing.com/search?q=+boogaloo ... cc=0&ghpl=



Blame the delusional right wingers as they are the real causes of these hassles.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:40 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... chs-assets

If the west could find the courage, it would order an immediate freeze of Rupert Murdoch’s assets. His Fox News presenters and Russia’s propagandists are so intermeshed that separating the two is as impossible as unbaking a cake.
On Russian state news, as on Fox, bawling ideologues scream threats then whine about their victimhood as they incite anger and self-pity in equal measures. Its arguments range from the appropriation of anti-fascism by Greater Russian imperialists – the 40 countries supporting Ukraine were “today’s collective Hitler”, viewers were told last week – to the apocalyptic delirium of the boss of RT (Russia Today) Margarita Simonyan. Nuclear war is my “horror”, she shuddered, “but we will go to heaven, while they will simply croak”.




This is not journalism, it’s a money-making enterprise that is based on churning up as much resentment and anger as possible to build audience. As the New York Times’ Thomas Friedman put it recently:

“We all sort of knew the truth about Fox, but now there can be no doubt: Fox News is to journalism what the Mafia is to capitalism – same basic genre, but a morally corrupt perversion of the real thing.”

I’m a recovering Catholic and I don’t believe in the religion’s dogma, but Murdoch is enough to make me wish there were something like a hell. Losing the $1.6 billion at stake in the lawsuit filed by Dominion Voting System is not punishment enough.



https://www.nj.com/opinion/2023/03/rupe ... moran.html


Treasonous Fox should be banned as a public menace.
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Tucker is hated by everyone now. He had Miss South Dakota (a.k.a. Sarah Palin 2.0) on last night. I’ll bet her appearance was booked before the latest revelations about Tucker the Trump Traitor. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Well hell also hath no fury like a Trump woman scorned by a former Trump supporter. Looked to me like she was shooting daggers at him during the interview. Never once cracked a smile.
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Brooklyn wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:47 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:40 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... chs-assets

If the west could find the courage, it would order an immediate freeze of Rupert Murdoch’s assets. His Fox News presenters and Russia’s propagandists are so intermeshed that separating the two is as impossible as unbaking a cake.
On Russian state news, as on Fox, bawling ideologues scream threats then whine about their victimhood as they incite anger and self-pity in equal measures. Its arguments range from the appropriation of anti-fascism by Greater Russian imperialists – the 40 countries supporting Ukraine were “today’s collective Hitler”, viewers were told last week – to the apocalyptic delirium of the boss of RT (Russia Today) Margarita Simonyan. Nuclear war is my “horror”, she shuddered, “but we will go to heaven, while they will simply croak”.




This is not journalism, it’s a money-making enterprise that is based on churning up as much resentment and anger as possible to build audience. As the New York Times’ Thomas Friedman put it recently:

“We all sort of knew the truth about Fox, but now there can be no doubt: Fox News is to journalism what the Mafia is to capitalism – same basic genre, but a morally corrupt perversion of the real thing.”

I’m a recovering Catholic and I don’t believe in the religion’s dogma, but Murdoch is enough to make me wish there were something like a hell. Losing the $1.6 billion at stake in the lawsuit filed by Dominion Voting System is not punishment enough.



https://www.nj.com/opinion/2023/03/rupe ... moran.html


Treasonous Fox should be banned as a public menace.
mmm, no.
But held liable for the damage they do, yes.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:49 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:47 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:40 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... chs-assets

If the west could find the courage, it would order an immediate freeze of Rupert Murdoch’s assets. His Fox News presenters and Russia’s propagandists are so intermeshed that separating the two is as impossible as unbaking a cake.
On Russian state news, as on Fox, bawling ideologues scream threats then whine about their victimhood as they incite anger and self-pity in equal measures. Its arguments range from the appropriation of anti-fascism by Greater Russian imperialists – the 40 countries supporting Ukraine were “today’s collective Hitler”, viewers were told last week – to the apocalyptic delirium of the boss of RT (Russia Today) Margarita Simonyan. Nuclear war is my “horror”, she shuddered, “but we will go to heaven, while they will simply croak”.




This is not journalism, it’s a money-making enterprise that is based on churning up as much resentment and anger as possible to build audience. As the New York Times’ Thomas Friedman put it recently:

“We all sort of knew the truth about Fox, but now there can be no doubt: Fox News is to journalism what the Mafia is to capitalism – same basic genre, but a morally corrupt perversion of the real thing.”

I’m a recovering Catholic and I don’t believe in the religion’s dogma, but Murdoch is enough to make me wish there were something like a hell. Losing the $1.6 billion at stake in the lawsuit filed by Dominion Voting System is not punishment enough.



https://www.nj.com/opinion/2023/03/rupe ... moran.html


Treasonous Fox should be banned as a public menace.
mmm, no.
But held liable for the damage they do, yes.
Of course there’s little different in the CPAC/MaGA approach to politics and Brooklyns
Harvard University, out
University of Utah, in

I am going to get a 4.0 in damage.

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:37 am Napoleon lied to other animals, Squealer lied to other animals and they both deceived the other animals, but the sad part is that neither of them lied for the better of the other animals. They both lied to get what they want- power over the animals and the farm.….
Do I need to drop my dead prez song and video again?

We’re all Sam to some degree however..
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I am going to get a 4.0 in damage.

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:26 am
Of course there’s little different in the CPAC/MaGA approach to politics and Brooklyns


Yeah like I've been telling everybody out there that the election was stolen. :lol:
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:49 pm

mmm, no.
But held liable for the damage they do, yes.


Well, they helped stir up war hysteria to "justify" Bush's colonialist invasions in the Middle East. Try adding up all the damage they caused and give them a bill. That'll help, I'm sure. ;)
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... fox-trump/

"As Rudy Giuliani railed about voter fraud from the lobby of the Republican National Committee’s headquarters a few weeks after the November 2020 election, rivulets of hair dye running down the side of his face, an executive at Fox Corporation let loose in text messages with his reaction.

“This sounds SO F------ CRAZY btw,” wrote Raj Shah, who had served as a senior aide in Donald Trump’s White House for two years before his hiring at Fox. “Rudy looks awful,” a deputy wrote back, prompting Shah to respond that “he objectively looks like he was a dead person voting 2 weeks ago.”

But Shah’s job at Fox was to protect the company’s brand, then under pressure from Trump allies who wanted to push Giuliani’s wild claims of a stolen election and who were abandoning the network for more hard-line options like Newsmax and One America News. So when a Fox News reporter went live on air just after Giuliani’s news conference concluded and declared that some of what the president’s lawyer had said was “simply not true,” Shah reacted with alarm.

“This is the kinda s--- that will kill us,” he texted the deputy. “We cover it wall to wall and then we burn that down with all the skepticism.”

The texts are drawn from more than a million pages of internal Fox correspondence released in recent weeks as part of a defamation lawsuit filed against the company by Dominion Voting Systems. The cache has revealed how Fox executives, producers and hosts expressed private doubts about Trump’s false election claims even as the network amplified the allegations on air.

The emails and text messages involving Shah offer a particularly vivid example of the pattern, demonstrating how elements of Fox, the Republican Party and the then-president’s own staffers spent years accommodating some of Trump’s worst impulses and amplifying some of his lies. When it came to the baseless election fraud narrative — including that counting dead voters had lifted the Democrats to victory — many of these people were aware of the likely falsity of the allegations but were unwilling to anger Trump or his supporters by clearly stating so publicly.

Shah is also a reminder of how Trump’s operation had become fused to the nation’s most watched conservative news channel, whose coverage had helped fuel his rise before his 2016 election. Shah was part of a long line of Trump underlings who passed back and forth between Trump’s orbit and Fox’s on- and off-air ranks.

Former Fox News co-president Bill Shine was hired as deputy White House chief of staff in 2018, picked in part because Trump was impressed by his experience overseeing television that appealed to the conservative base.

That same year, one of Trump’s closest advisers, Hope Hicks, was named head of corporate communications for New Fox, the successor to Fox News’s parent company, 21st Century Fox, after a two-year stint in the White House. She left Fox to return to the Trump administration in March 2020, as the reelection campaign heated up. Numerous Trump aides found post-government jobs as pundits on Fox’s airwaves.

In the lawsuit, scheduled to go to trial in Delaware next month, Dominion argues that Fox defamed the company by broadcasting falsehoods claiming its machines were used to help Joe Biden defeat Trump. Fox has said it was covering newsworthy claims, not promoting or endorsing them, and has accused Dominion of “distortions and misinformation in their PR campaign to smear FOX News and trample on free speech and freedom of the press.”

Shah, who remains at Fox, declined to comment through a company spokesman.

Before joining the White House, Shah, 38, worked for the Republican National Committee in four election cycles, focusing on opposition research against Democrats. As the party’s research director, Shah led the 2016 efforts to promote stories related to Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server and her work at her family’s foundation.

After Trump won, Shah became a White House spokesman. In an administration where the top figures often battled to be in the news media and in the Oval Office, Shah liked to keep a lower profile, only occasionally speaking on camera and, unlike many others, reluctant to angle for one-on-one meetings with the president.

John Kelly, a former Trump chief of staff, said he had been impressed by Shah’s competence in a chaotic White House. Shah was popular among competing factions of the White House staff, five former administration officials said.

“He never struck me as that much of a Trump devotee,” Kelly said. “He seemed to be a guy that was trying to do a good job in a really difficult environment, and he was a straight shooter.”

In 2019, Shah left the White House and briefly worked for a major pro-Trump lobbyist and donor, Brian Ballard. “He understands crisis communications at a very high level,” Ballard said.

Shah then took a job as senior vice president of Fox Corp., where he came recommended by fellow White House alum Hicks. He arrived as the company was facing newly organized criticism of its coverage and boycotts of its advertisers. He testified in a January lawsuit deposition that he was hired to conduct “brand protection” for Fox and its properties, including Fox News.

One of his main jobs is to monitor problems — negative stories, online threats, rising criticism — that could affect the company’s bottom line and orchestrate ways to defend the hosts and the network.

Shah has relied on right-wing social media influencers to defend some of the criticisms, and has hired consultants at times. A former Fox employee said Shah worked closely with Tucker Carlson’s team and was trusted by the prime-time hosts as a vigilant defender against critics. He also served at times as a liaison between Fox executives and the prime-time hosts.

“There was a need for someone who could spot and put out political fires,” the former employee said.

In the documents, Shah emerges less as Trump’s man-on-the-inside at Fox than as a bridge between the then-president’s world and the network, and a reliable translator of Trump’s base for Fox’s management.

After Fox News called Arizona for Biden on election night, earlier than other networks, part of Shah’s job became to manage the rage of Trump and his supporters.

In testimony to the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, Hicks recalled that it was Shah whom she contacted on election night to find out how Trump’s team could complain about the Arizona call. She testified that Shah suggested the White House contact Jay Wallace, the president of Fox News, and provided his phone number.

In private text messages the following day, Shah made clear that he personally believed that Fox News’s Decision Desk had probably been correct when it concluded that Trump could not overtake Biden’s narrow lead in the key swing state, even though votes were still being tallied.

“What is the latest from Trump world?” a Washington lobbyist texted Shah. “Are we done or is AZ really still in play?”

“I don’t really think AZ is in play. I’m also seeing Fox’s perspective, where we called it early and are catching heat for this,” Shah responded.

By the following week, anger at the network among Trump’s supporters had spiraled. Shah became concerned that Fox’s viewers might be tuning out.

“Want to ask, even though it seems impossible, but is the idea of some sort of public mea culpa for the AZ call completely and totally out of the realm? Or some programming that’s focused on hearing our viewers grievances about how we’ve handled the election?” Shah inquired on Nov. 10 of Fox News PR Chief Irena Briganti.

Shah’s proposal was rejected on grounds that it would spark dissension between the network’s news and opinion employees, a narrative Fox could ill afford while already under fire.

As conservative anger at Fox grew and Trump’s allegations about the election results began to mount, Shah and his team monitored declining ratings with worry and arranged to survey Fox viewers about their reactions. It was a tactic drawn from the political campaigns with which Shah was familiar.

“Our brand is under heavy fire from our customer base,” he wrote in an email commissioning the survey. “Our concern is Newsmax and One America News Network,” he wrote in another email, naming two right-wing outlets that were more aggressively embracing Trump’s views and that Fox feared could eat into the network’s viewership.

“I’ve shared my thoughts … that bold, clear and decisive action is needed for us to begin to regain the trust that we’re losing with our core audience,” he wrote in an email the next day.

The Giuliani news conference on Nov. 19 deepened Fox’s dilemma. The former New York mayor appeared alongside attorney Sidney Powell, whom Giuliani referred to as one of the campaign’s “senior lawyers.” Powell had by then been featured repeatedly on Fox, where she lobbed false allegations that voting machines sold by Dominion had been manipulated in key swing states to flip votes from Trump to Biden.

Privately, however, texts released in the lawsuit show that Fox hosts and producers were growing frustrated with Powell. “Sidney Powell is lying,” Carlson wrote in a Nov. 17 text.

On the night of the news conference, Carlson opened his show expressing doubts about Powell. He told his viewers that he had taken her claims “seriously” but had been urging her to produce evidence of her claims without success. “She never sent us any evidence, despite a lot of polite requests. When we kept pressing, she got angry and told us to stop contacting her,” he said.

The monologue earned Carlson some pushback from the right, including from Powell herself, who appeared on Fox rival Newsmax to declare Carlson “abrasive” and “disrespectful.”

Shah swung into action and deployed his contacts in Trump’s world, appearing to act more as a political operative than a traditional news network executive.

“After criticism from social media for Tucker’s segment questioning Attorney Sidney Powell’s outlandish voter fraud claims, our consultants and I coordinated an effort to generate Trump administration pushback against her claims,” Shah wrote in an email to his bosses a few days later. He continued: “We encouraged several sources within the administration to tell reporters that Powell offered no evidence for her claims and didn’t speak for the president.”

Indeed, on Nov. 22, Trump’s campaign issued a statement, attributed to Giuliani and fellow campaign attorney Jenna Ellis, declaring that Powell was “practicing law on her own” and was “not a member” of Trump’s legal team.

Despite his behind-the-scenes lobbying, Shah counseled a middle course in dealing with her claims on air. On the day after Carlson publicly challenged Powell, Shah and a Carlson producer weighed whether Carlson should devote time in his next show to Powell’s claim that she had an affidavit that would link Dominion to Venezuela.

“Might wanna address this, but this stuff is so f------ insane. Vote rigging to the tune of millions? C’mon,” Shah wrote.

Carlson’s producer, Alex Pfeiffer, responded: “It is so insane but our viewers believe it so addressing again how her stupid Venezuela affidavit isn’t proof might insult them.”

Shah advised that Carlson should mention the affidavit noting it was “not new info, not proof” but then quickly “pivot to being deferential.”

Pfeiffer, who has since left the network, answered that the delicate dance was “surreal.”

“Like negotiating with terrorists,” he added, “but especially dumb ones. Cousin f----- types not saudi royalty.”

In the following weeks, Trump continued to court voices who embraced his false claims the election was stolen — and Powell continued to appear on Fox.

On Jan. 3 — three days before the Capitol was attacked by Trump supporters as Congress met to confirm Biden’s win — Shah exchanged text messages with another former White House spokesman, Josh Raffel, who had been primarily responsible for handling communications for Trump’s daughter, Ivanka Trump, and her husband, senior adviser Jared Kushner.

Raffel flagged to Shah a tweet noting that Trump’s daily schedule now carried with it the vague assurance that the president would make “many calls and have many meetings” and “work from early in the morning until late in the evening.”

“I think what they meant is The President will wake up early and commit many, many crimes including but not limited to obstruction of justice, attempted fraud, and treason in an effort to conduct a coup. Then he’ll fly to a rally in furtherance of the same,” Raffel wrote. (Now a public relations executive in New York, Raffel declined to comment on the text.)

“It’s really disheartening,” Shah responded. “The only clear cut evidence for voter fraud is the failed attempts from Trump.”
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Quite a remarkable recap. Folks here will say “they all do it”.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:08 am Quite a remarkable recap. Folks here will say “they all do it”.
Because it is easy and lazy to say that. Discernment is hard; I'd rather just get lunch.....
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Brooklyn wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:51 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:26 am
Of course there’s little different in the CPAC/MaGA approach to politics and Brooklyns


Yeah like I've been telling everybody out there that the election was stolen. :lol:
Is that all politics is??? Or a way of framing the conversation to your benefit that ignores a lot of other data points and lack of interest in all facts and theory? Like the MAGA folks?
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:11 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:08 am Quite a remarkable recap. Folks here will say “they all do it”.
Because it is easy and lazy to say that. Discernment is hard; I'd rather just get lunch.....
Doesn’t start until 11 but yeah at 10:12 it’s on my mind
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Good one:

https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1 ... 56/photo/2

"One funny thing. Dominion was used in Ohio and Florida. Trump won them. Did they forget to rig those or all part of the plan?"

And a quick commentary on our viewers:

"Like negotiating with terrorists, but especially dumb ones. Cousin f*cking types not saudi royalty."
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:12 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:11 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:08 am Quite a remarkable recap. Folks here will say “they all do it”.
Because it is easy and lazy to say that. Discernment is hard; I'd rather just get lunch.....
Doesn’t start until 11 but yeah at 10:12 it’s on my mind
“One afternoon around 11:00” let me know that lunchtime is fluid….
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:11 am
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:51 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:26 am
Of course there’s little different in the CPAC/MaGA approach to politics and Brooklyns


Yeah like I've been telling everybody out there that the election was stolen. :lol:
Is that all politics is??? Or a way of framing the conversation to your benefit that ignores a lot of other data points and lack of interest in all facts and theory? Like the MAGA folks?

So now I'm a MAGAt. That sure is novel. :lol:
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But wait, there’s more…from Smartmatic:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/ ... t-fox-news
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