Perhaps I'm not "smarter than this". The Biden admin are definitely not saying or telling or sending a message that we don't want them to push Russia out, are unwilling to help them do so, and they only have '23 to do so. Nope, it's very clear (at least to me) that the Biden team actually means what we're saying publicly. We're united with our NATO allies, we're increasing the military capabilities at a steady pace as we see the usage of those capabilities being most meaningful, and we're not going to stop this support just because there are partisans who would profit from failure.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:43 pmYou're smarter than this. Your being willfully obtuse if you don't see the message the Biden admin is sending to Zelensky.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:00 am We're definitely not doing so in our official words,
I'm responding to your claims that we've been "telling" Ukraine those 3 things.
That's incorrect, indeed it's a "lie", a work of propaganda.
I've read your subsequent discussion with a fan, so I don't want to repeat it, but you indeed implied that Russia doesn't have the problem of running out of munitions...
Based on his response, saying they'll win in '23, Z gets it.
You & DocB are the purveyors of the Nuland school of neocon regime change propaganda.
I would not have posted the article about China's production capacity if I thought Russia didn't have a problem.
Like afan, you project your biases on what others actually post & erect strawmen to topple.
That said, I'd be surprised if we aren't closely communicating and monitoring the usage of these weapons, this financial aid, and how and where they're used...there's definitely sensitivity to giving excuses to the naysayers.
Personally I think we have been and remain overly cautious about what we release and when, but I'm not privy to everything, including things like the supposed "pro-Ukrainian" group sabotage of the pipeline (which may be Russian propaganda)...being careful may be justified. I DO know that we don't have, shouldn't have, full transparency of these deliberations.
As to Zelensky, he seems to be very much aware of US politics, and the importance of maintaining bi-partisan support, and yet the "anti-Biden, pro-Putin" machine is on full, ugly display. Savvy guy, he wants to get the tools to end this without risking more of such as we go into a Presidential election process. His country's sovereignty, his countryman's lives and freedom, is at stake. Kudos to Z for being on the ball.
I didn't argue with you about Russia's production capacity, but I do agree that you appear to be prematurely convinced that Russia will be resupplied just fine by China...that's far from definite, indeed I suspect it's recently become much less likely.
I dunno, and really don't care, what you have against Nuland, etc, etc, I don't subscribe to any such supposed ideology, but I do find appeasement to be historically proven to be a terrible strategic error in the face of known totalitarian aggressors and it's appalling to see otherwise well informed Americans pushing this Russian propaganda without questioning it...