Cazenovia College plans on closing before 2023 fall semester

[laxpert]

Excerpt from Diverseeducation.com on Cazenovia closing.

“[It’s a] trend we’re seeing now of schools that are pretty well-established in their community, but just struggling with enrollment and don’t really have a viable financial way out,” said Dr. Rachel Burns, a senior policy analyst for the State Higher Education Executive Officers Association (SHEEO).

Cazenovia’s closing may also be a harbinger of what’s to come for similar schools
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“We expected there to be a lot more closures [in 2021 and ‘22] because of COVID,” said Burns. “But the influx of federal funding from several different bills has really kept institutions afloat.”
That pandemic aid is drying up, however.
“We think it’s just been kicking the can down the road,” said Burns. “We think in ’24, ’25, we’ll start to see a cluster [of closings].”

How they repurpose the campus will be interesting. Possibly make it temporary housing for immigrants that have recently entered the US.

[laxdad1434]

I posted this because I thought it was a sad thing. Only thing sad about this thread know is how it has evolved into a post about politics. Grow up people, take the politics to another post.

Amen...wait can I still say that?

[richard]

I dislike that Caz is shutting its doors and fear that college closings will continue at an accelerated pace. I worry about my school being one of those. Jumbos take is BS. If it were not we should soon see college lacrosse expansion in all the flyover states. Ouachita Baptist might soon be the new Salisbury!!

[Jumbo]

I dislike that Caz is shutting its doors and fear that college closings will continue at an accelerated pace. I worry about my school being one of those. Jumbos take is BS. If it were not we should soon see college lacrosse expansion in all the flyover states. Ouachita Baptist might soon be the new Salisbury!!

You can disagree if you like. But these are facts. College enrollment is down. There are numerous reasons for the decline. I never said only lacrosse schools down, or are far left. I said in general, college campus is far more left than the rest of the country.
I also stated that cost is a major factor. Again, speaking in general terms of college cost. Meanwhile, community college cost are stable and enrollment is up.

If you are an 17 yr old and choosing to borrow 100k-200k, you want to feel welcome on campus and feel like you are getting value for your money.

This isn’t a political statement, this is just facts. Enrollment is down, colleges are expensive, and they are expensive to keep open

Kids are more knowledgeable than ever before. And there are more choices for them. Little things like requiring a mask inside buildings can be enough to cause prospects to look for another college option.

[thescottharris]

I'm 38, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm dead from natural causes before we see the college-aged population start to increase in any significant numbers again.

Unless you're working for a selective college or one that has a financially thriving and affordable fully-online degree programs to supplement the on-campus education programs, you should be coming up with an exit strategy if you don't already have one. Even if you're working at one of them schools that Forbes rated B or higher, it's not going to be long before they really start to suffer if they haven't adapted to the times.

A school that's a D on that Forbes financial grade list? They'll be lucky to exist in 20 years without some game-changing strategic changes. Of course they won't all close, but I'm sure a sizable chunk will. I'd be inclined to throw the C- schools in that territory as well.

Non-elite schools that fail to fully embrace fully-online degree programs are the ones I anticipate being the earliest to shutter.

Like look at Cazenovia, this semester they only offered 8 online classes, and one of those is a 1-credit hour first aid and safety class. Reading the course description, this is basically a glorified First Aid, CPR, and AED course. You can get certified for that for $105 in one day for Adult and Pediatrics thru the American Red Cross. And the only part you have to show up for in-person is the practice portion of the course, everything else can be done online. Hell, you can even throw in another $45 and get OSHA Certified Bloodborne Pathogens certification tossed in as well.

What's Cazenovia charging for this online class? $290 for the credit hours, plus another $35 fee for first aid certification. That's more than triple what you can get by doing it thru the American Red Cross.

I wouldn't be surprised if a hand full of the ODAC schools are amongst the likely wave of school closures within the next 20 years. To put it bluntly, quite a few of these ODAC schools are just glorified diploma mills that are putting people in crippling death with little return on investment. I'm not going to throw any of them under the bus, but if you're familiar with the ODAC institutions, you know which schools I'm talking about.

One ODAC school, in particular, I am really shocked managed to make it out of the pandemic without closing permanently. I am not exaggerating in the least bit about that one institution. I was legitimately shocked. They went to some fairly significantly desperate measures to prevent it from happening so I guess it worked in the short term.

[kramerica.inc]

These threads crack me up. Virtually all of the lacrosse players at these bastions of dirty liberal thought go on to successful careers in business, law, medicine or finance. Heck, my kid is a freshman at a commie-pinko NESCAC and has already connected with graduates on Wall Street who are talking to him about internships. Bulge bracket banks don't hire kids from these schools because they use gender-neutral pronouns and reek of patchouli - they hire them because they are wicked smaaaat. I (somehow) graduated from West Point in the early 90's and, based on my son's reports, I received a sh!t-ton more mandatory instruction on politically correct behavior than he's getting. All this nonsense about indoctrination is just terror-porn spun up by shops like Fox News to keep panic-stricken boomers glued to their boob-tubes.

But, by all means, please send your kids to Liberty or Oral Roberts instead of Amherst. Good grief.

Cool. So if you aren’t seeing it, or your child isn’t noticing or telling you, it isn’t happening. And you think your education in the 90’s was more politically correct. Please. I am sore hazing at all happened at West Point in the 90’s.

Diversity, equity and inclusion curriculum required for a degree at SUNY colleges now. Along with similar at Duke, Villanova and others.

But don’t worry. It’s not full-on leftist indoctrination. It’s just one class. For one semester.

[SneaksBeac]

Let's just slow down on it being a leftist indoctrination and use some critical thinking.

DEI covers a wide ground, not just recent history, even though recent/current events would probably be covered in such a class.

Look at it this way, are you against the teaching of portions of history like the women's suffrage movement? Because if you're against DEI education you're technically against the teaching of a women's right to vote. If you're against that....then you got some serious issues.



See why saying statements like it's a leftist indoctrination when it comes to Dei education is backwards?

[OSVAlacrosse]

Let's just slow down on it being a leftist indoctrination and use some critical thinking.

DEI covers a wide ground, not just recent history, even though recent/current events would probably be covered in such a class.

Look at it this way, are you against the teaching of portions of history like the women's suffrage movement? Because if you're against DEI education you're technically against the teaching of a women's right to vote. If you're against that....then you got some serious issues.



See why saying statements like it's a leftist indoctrination when it comes to Dei education is backwards?

It always smells awful when the sewage from the bottom of the forum spews up to the top. FYI: There is a politics page.

[LacrosseFan33]

Let's just slow down on it being a leftist indoctrination and use some critical thinking.

DEI covers a wide ground, not just recent history, even though recent/current events would probably be covered in such a class.

Look at it this way, are you against the teaching of portions of history like the women's suffrage movement? Because if you're against DEI education you're technically against the teaching of a women's right to vote. If you're against that....then you got some serious issues.



See why saying statements like it's a leftist indoctrination when it comes to Dei education is backwards?

It always smells awful when the sewage from the bottom of the forum spews up to the top. FYI: There is a politics page.

+1

[laxdad30]

Take that Political BS and GTFO of my post. LOL

[Brooklyn]

Add all of the politics on campus. It turns a lot of young people away. Every college that we met with in the recruiting process, was down with enrollment.

College campuses had FAR more political discussions and atmosphere back in the 1960s/70s. Enrollment went up, not down. The real problem with enrollment, notwithstanding the government's fabricated statistics, is that all too often college degrees turn out to be largely worthless. We've had big discussions of that sad truth in youtube in recent years. Getting a degree is just not worth the cost or the sacrifices required.

[Tactful Lax]

Enrollment went up in the '60s and '70s because guys didn't want to get their head blown off in Vietnam.

[AbeFroeman]

Add all of the politics on campus. It turns a lot of young people away. Every college that we met with in the recruiting process, was down with enrollment.

College campuses had FAR more political discussions and atmosphere back in the 1960s/70s. Enrollment went up, not down. The real problem with enrollment, notwithstanding the government's fabricated statistics, is that all too often college degrees turn out to be largely worthless. We've had big discussions of that sad truth in youtube in recent years. Getting a degree is just not worth the cost or the sacrifices required.

Colleges have far more politics on campus today than the 60s. When was the last time you were on campus?

[Brooklyn]

Colleges have far more politics on campus today than the 60s. When was the last time you were on campus?

I was at Macalester College just 2 weeks ago. There were only about 2 posts on the billboard. Back in my day at CCNY we had HUNDREDS everywhere. We had many more indoors.