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Looking at the coaches poll, it is a clear vote on what they see going forward. I think voters here have done a much better job of voting on what they have seen so far.
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Hound isn't right but he also isn't wrong. With Notre Dame's wins over Marquette and Cleveland State, I have them at #28. A third will help them a lot (and, obviously, they're not the only team with this issue) and, more importantly, they need a W over a more highly ranked team. At the end of the 2022 season, Marquette was ranked #45 and Cleveland was ranked #61.Houndfan73 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:53 pm50? Cleveland State is just about as bad as it gets. You get zero credit. ZeroTheBigIguana wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:26 pm How many do they need to win by for it to be a solid showing?
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Computer and I are on the same page!FanLax Computer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:07 pmHound isn't right but he also isn't wrong. With Notre Dame's wins over Marquette and Cleveland State, I have them at #28. A third will help them a lot (and, obviously, they're not the only team with this issue) and, more importantly, they need a W over a more highly ranked team. At the end of the 2022 season, Marquette was ranked #45 and Cleveland was ranked #61.Houndfan73 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:53 pm50? Cleveland State is just about as bad as it gets. You get zero credit. ZeroTheBigIguana wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:26 pm How many do they need to win by for it to be a solid showing?
I am doing both and weighing each differently based on the quality of games played so far (including my projection biased view on the quality of the opponents).TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:54 pmTo me no, a two game sample isn't enough yet. I don't have a problem with people projecting still.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:46 pmI also don't know if they're "better" but, as of 2/20/2023, their resume is. And isn't that enough? It's not the same as but I think it's comparable to High Point scoring 10 goals on Duke, Duke scoring 9 goals on High Point, the final whistle blows, and saying, Duke is better. Yes, maybe they are but High Point won. If this was the only game played in NCAA D1 Men Lacrosse, the ranking should be 1- High Point, 2- Duke.TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:40 pm ... I'm a Loyola guy but I'm even hesitant to say they're definitely better than ND and all the Ivies right now. It's still just a couple of games.
All of us will get better as the season progresses - the final poll is the easiest. The fun part about this time of year is getting a view into what some people see that others do not.
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Got no problem with ND ranking. they were much better than just good last year and their exclusion reeked , the best in the ACC by year end and arguably a Final Four team. It is what it was -lesson learned was early season losses are as significant as late season wins and any rankings. Not sure this version will be as strong defensively but that will be answered soon enough.
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Loyola defense held Maryland to 7 goals. This is an offense that dropped 15 on Richmond and Cuse. They showed it wasn’t a fluke holding Hopkins to 3 through 3 quarters before losing a little focus while up 9 goals.
Meanwhile the offense was consistently productive with 12 goals in each.
On paper and by eye test, these are the two best wins out there and the most complete performances on both sides of the ball against top competition.
Meanwhile the offense was consistently productive with 12 goals in each.
On paper and by eye test, these are the two best wins out there and the most complete performances on both sides of the ball against top competition.
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Matnum, thanks for doing this. I’m not a betting person so thinking about “my” poll submission adds some extra spice that others may be getting from taking on the point spreads. Your organizing work is much appreciated!
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ND #1, Cleveland State #910stone5 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:23 pm LaxPower, now Lax Numbers, Power Ratings (current)
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That one is screwy,
UVA is way down the list,
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It's not really accurate until teams have played about half their games.CU88 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:53 pmND #1!10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:23 pm LaxPower, now Lax Numbers, Power Ratings (current)
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I don't get it...Terry Foy @TerenceFoy 1h
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What is interesting is that, contrary to preseason stickiness, he was more than willing to bump the Terps waaay down his list. But he won't bump Loyola up?Matnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:24 pmI don't get it...Terry Foy @TerenceFoy 1h
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I can't see how you justify ranking ND ahead of any of the teams on that list (perhaps other than the Terps since they have lost a game). ND has played no one. Then again, neither has Princeton or Delaware. For that matter, has Penn? G'town already looks to have made its path to the post-season a difficult uphill climb.
The more I think about it, the more I believe I under-ranked Loyola this week
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I never have understood sports’ pools starting at the beginning of the season with no data available save for a halo effect from the previous season. In the end people who base votes on Ws foo often chasing their tails A > B > C > A etc. Teams get too much credit for beating a team ranked on prior performance. Why not wait until a few games into the season. It does provide fodder for discussion though
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Though counter-intuitive, head-to-head Ws don't work as an indicator of A>B. As you're speaking to. Head-to-head doesn't work. A team's complete resume, that works.
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I will repeat myself, but in situations like the one here on LaxPower - I kinda like the fact that we're making it up right now. Nothing is at stake other than our pride.OCanada wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:52 pm I never have understood sports’ pools starting at the beginning of the season with no data available save for a halo effect from the previous season. In the end people who base votes on Ws foo often chasing their tails A > B > C > A etc. Teams get too much credit for beating a team ranked on prior performance. Why not wait until a few games into the season. It does provide fodder for discussion though
To the extent the Media and Coaches polls end up impacting the selection committee, I agree 100%. Those should start around week 5 or 6 so that they aren't quite so permanently biased by last year or press hype. Rankings get sticky for some folks, who seem afraid to admit they were wrong the week(s) before.
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polls are the only (i think) thing that are expressly verboten in the manual on selection. then again, they also list the selection criteria...HooDat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:06 pmI will repeat myself, but in situations like the one here on LaxPower - I kinda like the fact that we're making it up right now. Nothing is at stake other than our pride.OCanada wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:52 pm I never have understood sports’ pools starting at the beginning of the season with no data available save for a halo effect from the previous season. In the end people who base votes on Ws foo often chasing their tails A > B > C > A etc. Teams get too much credit for beating a team ranked on prior performance. Why not wait until a few games into the season. It does provide fodder for discussion though
To the extent the Media and Coaches polls end up impacting the selection committee, I agree 100%. Those should start around week 5 or 6 so that they aren't quite so permanently biased by last year or press hype. Rankings get sticky for some folks, who seem afraid to admit they were wrong the week(s) before.
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Georgetown losing two close games to two good teams doesn't mean they're not a quality win. I give Hopkins a hell of a lot more credit for beating G'town than I give ND credit for beating Cleveland State. Same with Penn.
Luckily, ND gets a chance this weekend to notch their own ND win. Then they might begin to justify their lofty ranking.