psu pulled their starters with 8 + minutes left and while manup. cruised in and didn't take shots or attack the cage in multiple possessions, including manup.
hopkins was in the middle of hacking everyone in frustration, which is understandable.
not sure what the problem is. because it was 3-5 minutes after hypothetical or anonymous internet coach x would?
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Well, at least the picture is clear ... Blue Jays will need to beat MD next week to ensure a spot in the B1G, and then win the AQ to ensure a spot in the NCAA tournament.
Not a good position to be in.
Whether or not the Blue Jays can win next week, I want them to play the Hopkins way ... high quality lacrosse with hard work, smart play, and good sportsmanship.
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Not a good position to be in.
Whether or not the Blue Jays can win next week, I want them to play the Hopkins way ... high quality lacrosse with hard work, smart play, and good sportsmanship.
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Under this staff the "Hopkins way" has become either give up a big lead or just get blown outDocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:55 pm
Whether or not the Blue Jays can win next week, I want them to play the Hopkins way ... high quality lacrosse with hard work, smart play, and good sportsmanship.
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Even Cleveland State played PSU closer than Hopkins did this season, 15-11. Let that sink in.
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Petro didn’t instruct Captain Danny Jones to cough up the ball and then throw down a Penn State player for a one-minute penalty.HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:56 pmUnder this staff the "Hopkins way" has become either give up a big lead or just get blown outDocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:55 pm
Whether or not the Blue Jays can win next week, I want them to play the Hopkins way ... high quality lacrosse with hard work, smart play, and good sportsmanship.
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I’ve said this before ... I cannot recall a Hopkins team under any coach make so many stupid decisions throughout the season. Everyone focuses on size and speed, and there are certainly issues there no doubt, but this team’s true Achilles heel are their numerous mental mistakes and lapses.
It’s just puzzling.
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ok so when it's a systemic problem who do you blame for that?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:06 pmPetro didn’t instruct Captain Danny Jones to cough up the ball and then throw down a Penn State player for a one-minute penalty.HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:56 pmUnder this staff the "Hopkins way" has become either give up a big lead or just get blown outDocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:55 pm
Whether or not the Blue Jays can win next week, I want them to play the Hopkins way ... high quality lacrosse with hard work, smart play, and good sportsmanship.
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I’ve said this before ... I cannot recall a Hopkins team under any coach make so many stupid decisions throughout the season. Everyone focuses on size and speed, and there are certainly issues there no doubt, but this team’s true Achilles heel are their numerous mental mistakes and lapses.
It’s just puzzling.
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President Daniels, of course.HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:11 pmok so when it's a systemic problem who do you blame for that?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:06 pmPetro didn’t instruct Captain Danny Jones to cough up the ball and then throw down a Penn State player for a one-minute penalty.HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:56 pmUnder this staff the "Hopkins way" has become either give up a big lead or just get blown outDocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:55 pm
Whether or not the Blue Jays can win next week, I want them to play the Hopkins way ... high quality lacrosse with hard work, smart play, and good sportsmanship.
DocBarrister
I’ve said this before ... I cannot recall a Hopkins team under any coach make so many stupid decisions throughout the season. Everyone focuses on size and speed, and there are certainly issues there no doubt, but this team’s true Achilles heel are their numerous mental mistakes and lapses.
It’s just puzzling.
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I don't think it's that puzzling, Doc. The lack of size/speed/athleticism causes players to try more than they are physically capable. Sure, it looks like a bonehead play with 20:20 hindsight, but it's a kid's heart trying (to be something he is not) in an attempt to beat his opponent.
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Here’s an idea:
I’d hire the Stanwicks. Plural.
They are a dynasty. Let them take a shot at rebuilding the Hopkins brand and a possible dynasty.
They are young, smart, could be around for a long time, and be fun.
Have one as HC, one as OC, one DC, hell, hire the whole family.
Seriously. Make the brand worth watching again, competitive again, and by all means, make it fun for the players again. Have fun and win.
Losses will happen. Blowouts should be an extreme rarity. Be competitive and have fun.
Today’s result could be seen coming a month ago.
No surprise at all.
I’d hire the Stanwicks. Plural.
They are a dynasty. Let them take a shot at rebuilding the Hopkins brand and a possible dynasty.
They are young, smart, could be around for a long time, and be fun.
Have one as HC, one as OC, one DC, hell, hire the whole family.
Seriously. Make the brand worth watching again, competitive again, and by all means, make it fun for the players again. Have fun and win.
Losses will happen. Blowouts should be an extreme rarity. Be competitive and have fun.
Today’s result could be seen coming a month ago.
No surprise at all.
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I hear what you’re saying.Big Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:14 pm I don't think it's that puzzling, Doc. The lack of size/speed/athleticism causes players to try more than they are physically capable. Sure, it looks like a bonehead play with 20:20 hindsight, but it's a kid's heart trying (to be something he is not) in an attempt to beat his opponent.
But don’t need 20:20 hindsight to know that Jones shouldn’t be wrapping his arm around a player’s neck and throwing him down to the turf.
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Steele as head coach, Wells as offensive coordinator, and Shack as defensive coordinator?!?WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:17 pm Here’s an idea:
I’d hire the Stanwicks. Plural.
They are a dynasty. Let them take a shot at rebuilding the Hopkins brand and a possible dynasty.
They are young, smart, could be around for a long time, and be fun.
Have one as HC, one as OC, one DC, hell, hire the whole family.
Seriously. Make the brand worth watching again, competitive again, and by all means, make it fun for the players again. Have fun and win.
Losses will happen. Blowouts should be an extreme rarity. Be competitive and have fun.
Today’s result could be seen coming a month ago.
No surprise at all.
Makes absolutely no sense at all, which makes it perfect for today’s Johns Hopkins lacrosse program.
Heck, let’s hire Kevin Boland as the new strength coach.
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Oh, and let’s get Sheehan as Director of Lacrosse. Plus, we need to get Tad a job. Anyone named “Tad” has to be pretty tough (Navy guy now, I think).DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:30 pmSteele as head coach, Wells as offensive coordinator, and Shack as defensive coordinator?!?WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:17 pm Here’s an idea:
I’d hire the Stanwicks. Plural.
They are a dynasty. Let them take a shot at rebuilding the Hopkins brand and a possible dynasty.
They are young, smart, could be around for a long time, and be fun.
Have one as HC, one as OC, one DC, hell, hire the whole family.
Seriously. Make the brand worth watching again, competitive again, and by all means, make it fun for the players again. Have fun and win.
Losses will happen. Blowouts should be an extreme rarity. Be competitive and have fun.
Today’s result could be seen coming a month ago.
No surprise at all.
Makes absolutely no sense at all, which makes it perfect for today’s Johns Hopkins lacrosse program.
Heck, let’s hire Kevin Boland as the new strength coach.
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The Bolands are a very intelligent lacrosse family too.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:30 pmSteele as head coach, Wells as offensive coordinator, and Shack as defensive coordinator?!?WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:17 pm Here’s an idea:
I’d hire the Stanwicks. Plural.
They are a dynasty. Let them take a shot at rebuilding the Hopkins brand and a possible dynasty.
They are young, smart, could be around for a long time, and be fun.
Have one as HC, one as OC, one DC, hell, hire the whole family.
Seriously. Make the brand worth watching again, competitive again, and by all means, make it fun for the players again. Have fun and win.
Losses will happen. Blowouts should be an extreme rarity. Be competitive and have fun.
Today’s result could be seen coming a month ago.
No surprise at all.
Makes absolutely no sense at all, which makes it perfect for today’s Johns Hopkins lacrosse program.
Heck, let’s hire Kevin Boland as the new strength coach.
DocBarrister
I wouldn’t insult them.
Re: THE Hopkins Lacrosse Fallout Shelter (44, we want more!)
I was talking about Hopkins attack. Tambroni can do what ever with his team.
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Not insulting them. I was there at the 2001 game against Syracuse when Boland took apart an Orange defense with a series of fearless dodges.WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:42 pmThe Bolands are a very intelligent lacrosse family too.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:30 pmSteele as head coach, Wells as offensive coordinator, and Shack as defensive coordinator?!?WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:17 pm Here’s an idea:
I’d hire the Stanwicks. Plural.
They are a dynasty. Let them take a shot at rebuilding the Hopkins brand and a possible dynasty.
They are young, smart, could be around for a long time, and be fun.
Have one as HC, one as OC, one DC, hell, hire the whole family.
Seriously. Make the brand worth watching again, competitive again, and by all means, make it fun for the players again. Have fun and win.
Losses will happen. Blowouts should be an extreme rarity. Be competitive and have fun.
Today’s result could be seen coming a month ago.
No surprise at all.
Makes absolutely no sense at all, which makes it perfect for today’s Johns Hopkins lacrosse program.
Heck, let’s hire Kevin Boland as the new strength coach.
DocBarrister
I wouldn’t insult them.
He’s a head coach in high school now.
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A couple more data points:
Massey had Hopkins 13th going into Saturday, and 15th going into Sunday. Will have to see how far Hopkins drops.
Massey is based on quantifiable results. Who cares about the media poll, Coach’s Poll, and ESPECIALLY Quint’s bleeping popularity poll at this point? Pure bluster and opinion.
Stick #1 to laf and #2 to Massey. I think Wobus stopped. CU77? Any others? I could use an accurate RPI reference.
Well, time to watch something more upbeat.
Switching over to Netflix and watching Inside The Mossad.
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Massey had Hopkins 13th going into Saturday, and 15th going into Sunday. Will have to see how far Hopkins drops.
Massey is based on quantifiable results. Who cares about the media poll, Coach’s Poll, and ESPECIALLY Quint’s bleeping popularity poll at this point? Pure bluster and opinion.
Stick #1 to laf and #2 to Massey. I think Wobus stopped. CU77? Any others? I could use an accurate RPI reference.
Well, time to watch something more upbeat.
Switching over to Netflix and watching Inside The Mossad.
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Re: THE Hopkins Lacrosse Fallout Shelter (44, we want more!)
Honestly, why any one is shocked in this outcome is beyond me. Over the last 10 years, outside of one year when one guy put his back on the team and had the best individual goal scoring year ever at Hopkins, this program has been a disaster.
Danny Jones and Kyle Marr aren't the first guys to take dumb penalties. Darby isnt the first guy to make a head scratching decision to come out of the crease. Desimone isnt the first guy that has gotten a long leash with zippy production. The current munchkins middies (particularly SSDM) aren't the first group that you have to question if Petro actually meets to look at the size of the recruits. This is who Hopkins is under Petro. It has been this way for a decade. Hes always had guys that take dumb penalties - see the LSM with Pat's, head scratching goalie decisions - see Schneider against PSU on Sunday night 4-5 years ago. Desimone is this years Dismuke. 2019 Munchkin kiddies meet Carlini.
The real question is if the administration will let this continue. I cant see how Petro can come back next year but I've been saying that for a long time. I really cant see how Petro comes back without staff changes. But, again I wont be the least shocked the gang is all back in 2020.
He clearly needs a true DC because it is pretty clear his defensive schemes are not working and he hasn't adapted to changes in how the game is played. Outside of 1 year, his defenses have gotten worse over the last 7-8 years.
Saying that I cant foresee what DC would come to Hopkins knowing Petro, if he is here, Petro will want to remain in control. The fact he is on his last year of a contract also isnt that enticing. I am certainly not suggesting Petro should remain or given a 1 year extension. He should be gone butnit will be hard to change without a complete sweep.
Offensively, Benson is terrible. His entire offense is work to get the shortie and attack him. That works great when there is no shot clock but that isnt way the game is played anymore. You cant wait that long anymore or you are going to force a shot. Watch PSU they never had qualms about attacking long sticks. Most teams dont. Of course, you need the guys that can do it. I again point to the fact Benson hasn't gotten a real sniff at a job ever. Other programs see this program is a disaater.
As for recruiting, how does a kid like Costabile get away from Baltimore to star at ND. I get his brothers went there but if a kid can star at MSJ, there should at least be a visit to try to bring him to Homewood.
Danny Jones and Kyle Marr aren't the first guys to take dumb penalties. Darby isnt the first guy to make a head scratching decision to come out of the crease. Desimone isnt the first guy that has gotten a long leash with zippy production. The current munchkins middies (particularly SSDM) aren't the first group that you have to question if Petro actually meets to look at the size of the recruits. This is who Hopkins is under Petro. It has been this way for a decade. Hes always had guys that take dumb penalties - see the LSM with Pat's, head scratching goalie decisions - see Schneider against PSU on Sunday night 4-5 years ago. Desimone is this years Dismuke. 2019 Munchkin kiddies meet Carlini.
The real question is if the administration will let this continue. I cant see how Petro can come back next year but I've been saying that for a long time. I really cant see how Petro comes back without staff changes. But, again I wont be the least shocked the gang is all back in 2020.
He clearly needs a true DC because it is pretty clear his defensive schemes are not working and he hasn't adapted to changes in how the game is played. Outside of 1 year, his defenses have gotten worse over the last 7-8 years.
Saying that I cant foresee what DC would come to Hopkins knowing Petro, if he is here, Petro will want to remain in control. The fact he is on his last year of a contract also isnt that enticing. I am certainly not suggesting Petro should remain or given a 1 year extension. He should be gone butnit will be hard to change without a complete sweep.
Offensively, Benson is terrible. His entire offense is work to get the shortie and attack him. That works great when there is no shot clock but that isnt way the game is played anymore. You cant wait that long anymore or you are going to force a shot. Watch PSU they never had qualms about attacking long sticks. Most teams dont. Of course, you need the guys that can do it. I again point to the fact Benson hasn't gotten a real sniff at a job ever. Other programs see this program is a disaater.
As for recruiting, how does a kid like Costabile get away from Baltimore to star at ND. I get his brothers went there but if a kid can star at MSJ, there should at least be a visit to try to bring him to Homewood.
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One other thing. How many passes did PSU defenders pick off on the outside of the defense. They probably had more of those interceptions today than Hopkins had all year.
Not shocking Hopkins made lazy passes figuring the defenses would attempt to pick those off because Hopkins never plays that aggressively.
Not shocking Hopkins made lazy passes figuring the defenses would attempt to pick those off because Hopkins never plays that aggressively.
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laf does RPI here:
http://www.laxbytes.com/2019/binmenstats/rpiing01.php
Another RPI page from poster laxreference, also showing W-L results against 1-5, 6-10, 11-20, and 21+:
https://lacrossereference.com/stats/rpi ... -lacrosse/
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With all due respect, where are you going with that wombat? What good is a more accurate RPI? Why do we need additional date for a 6-6 team? Whether we are 15 or 25 matters not if we can't beat a team ahead of us.A couple more data points:
If we lose next week and somehow tOSU takes the day off, we should decline the BiG invite to avoid another embarassment.
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