Ivy League 2023

[wgdsr]

One criteria I do know is don’t lose to all the good teams you play against.

yes!!! and if the committee followed it, we wouldn't have this thread active!! and how much fun would that be?!?!

p.s. tld's definition of good notwithstanding.

See link: https://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/season/2021-22/

Good team = the teams with an L next to the score.

play all u want. there is no more scoreboard. the acc should def be on notice but everyone else also... don't win your aq, you are on the bubble. conference tourney champs are all the rage.

loved it when they did those cigar smoke-filled backroom champs. what's old is new again!!!

Does ACC have an AQ besides UVA?

last year was uva's first aq. so obviously, no.

[Typical Lax Dad]

One criteria I do know is don’t lose to all the good teams you play against.

yes!!! and if the committee followed it, we wouldn't have this thread active!! and how much fun would that be?!?!

p.s. tld's definition of good notwithstanding.

See link: https://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/season/2021-22/

Good team = the teams with an L next to the score.

play all u want. there is no more scoreboard. the acc should def be on notice but everyone else also... don't win your aq, you are on the bubble. conference tourney champs are all the rage.

loved it when they did those cigar smoke-filled backroom champs. what's old is new again!!!

Does ACC have an AQ besides UVA?

last year was uva's first aq. so obviously, no.

UVA is as close to a sure thing tournament team as anyone. Best player in the country too.

[jrn19]

Here’s some criteria.

W-L record: Identical percentage ; Ohio State won 2 more games. edge Ohio State

SOS: edge Notre Dame

Results of the RPI: edge Notre Dame

Record against RPI: ND was 0-2 against 1-5, OSU was 0-3. ND was 2-1 against 6-10, OSU was 1-0. ND was 0-0 against 11-15, OSU was 1-0. ND was 1-0 against 16-20. OSU was 2-0. In total, ND was 3-3 against teams Top 20 in the RPI, which the NCAA considers “quality wins.” OSU was 4-3. Every team below is considered a “bad loss.” Edge Ohio State.

Average RPI win: ND’s was 32. OSU’s was 35. Edge ND.

Average RPI loss: ND’s was 7. OSU’s was 8. Edge ND.

Head to head competition: Edge Ohio State

Results vs common opponents: both played MD. Both lost. Both played UNC. Both won. Both played Michigan. Both won. Wash.

Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower): Notre Dame beat Duke who was ahead of them. Lost to OSU who was below. OSU beat ND who was ahead. Lost to Denver who was behind. It’s a wash

We’ve basically got a dead heat here. Except the two teams *played on the field* and Ohio State beat them. They beat them by 3 goals. No one saw the game and thought anything other than Ohio State was the better team. If you want to argue today, with your whole chest, it was a travesty that Notre Dame didn’t get into the tournament over a team that they LOST TO ON THE FIELD with a case that is basically identical according to the selection criteria laid to by the NCAA, then god bless you but I hope you find some better things to do starting with tomorrow.

Here’s the criteria by the way if you’re wondering where I pulled it from. Yeah it was close. Ohio State beat ‘em on the field. Maybe Notre Dame should win the game this year. That will go a long way. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champi ... andout.pdf

[Typical Lax Dad]

Here’s some criteria.

W-L record: Identical percentage ; Ohio State won 2 more games. edge Ohio State

SOS: edge Notre Dame

Results of the RPI: edge Notre Dame

Record against RPI: ND was 0-2 against 1-5, OSU was 0-3. ND was 2-1 against 6-10, OSU was 1-0. ND was 0-0 against 11-15, OSU was 1-0. ND was 1-0 against 16-20. OSU was 2-0. In total, ND was 3-3 against teams Top 20 in the RPI, which the NCAA considers “quality wins.” OSU was 4-3. Every team below is considered a “bad loss.” Edge Ohio State.

Average RPI win: ND’s was 32. OSU’s was 35. Edge ND.

Average RPI loss: ND’s was 7. OSU’s was 8. Edge ND.

Head to head competition: Edge Ohio State

Results vs common opponents: both played MD. Both lost. Both played UNC. Both won. Both played Michigan. Both won. Wash.

Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower): Notre Dame beat Duke who was ahead of them. Lost to OSU who was below. OSU beat ND who was ahead. Lost to Denver who was behind. It’s a wash

We’ve basically got a dead heat here. Except the two teams *played on the field* and Ohio State beat them. They beat them by 3 goals. No one saw the game and thought anything other than Ohio State was the better team. If you want to argue today, with your whole chest, it was a travesty that Notre Dame didn’t get into the tournament over a team that they LOST TO ON THE FIELD with a case that is basically identical according to the selection criteria laid to by the NCAA, then god bless you but I hope you find some better things to do starting with tomorrow.

Here’s the criteria by the way if you’re wondering where I pulled it from. Yeah it was close. Ohio State beat ‘em on the field. Maybe Notre Dame should win the game this year. That will go a long way. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champi ... andout.pdf

Princeton had a stronger case in 2015 than Notre Dame had in 2022 but there was far less bellyaching…..really good wins but a bad loss cost them.

[wgdsr]

Here’s some criteria.

W-L record: Identical percentage ; Ohio State won 2 more games. edge Ohio State
there is no edge here. it's w/l record. tosu also had one more loss. this is not debatable.
SOS: edge Notre Dame

Results of the RPI: edge Notre Dame

Record against RPI: ND was 0-2 against 1-5, OSU was 0-3. ND was 2-1 against 6-10, OSU was 1-0. ND was 0-0 against 11-15, OSU was 1-0. ND was 1-0 against 16-20. OSU was 2-0. In total, ND was 3-3 against teams Top 20 in the RPI, which the NCAA considers “quality wins.” OSU was 4-3. Every team below is considered a “bad loss.” Edge Ohio State.
almost all of this is wrong. suffice it to say, nd won this going away if you figure out the actual figures.
Average RPI win: ND’s was 32. OSU’s was 35. Edge ND.

Average RPI loss: ND’s was 7. OSU’s was 8. Edge ND.

Head to head competition: Edge Ohio State

Results vs common opponents: both played MD. Both lost. Both played UNC. Both won. Both played Michigan. Both won. Wash.

Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower): Notre Dame beat Duke who was ahead of them. Lost to OSU who was below. OSU beat ND who was ahead. Lost to Denver who was behind. It’s a wash
this is not a wash. nd beat the #7 team 2 times. that's 2 wins. tosu lost to the #20 team while nd lost to #14. u wanna consider the latter equal, fine. 2 #7 wins trumps one vs #11.
edge: nd

We’ve basically got a dead heat here. Except the two teams *played on the field* and Ohio State beat them. They beat them by 3 goals. No one saw the game and thought anything other than Ohio State was the better team. If you want to argue today, with your whole chest, it was a travesty that Notre Dame didn’t get into the tournament over a team that they LOST TO ON THE FIELD with a case that is basically identical according to the selection criteria laid to by the NCAA, then god bless you but I hope you find some better things to do starting with tomorrow.

Here’s the criteria by the way if you’re wondering where I pulled it from. Yeah it was close. Ohio State beat ‘em on the field. Maybe Notre Dame should win the game this year. That will go a long way. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champi ... andout.pdf

so that's
6 nd
1 tosu
2 wash

and that's before you consider the emphasis referenced by our committee about big wins and bad losses, that everyone says we care so deeply about. which if we split the big/bad w/l stuff means 8-1-2.

so a question for you if you'll answer:
if a squad (or your squad), wins the criteria 6 (or more) to 1, and the 1 loss is a loss on the opponent's home field... and the opponent gets in... what do you think about that?

[wgdsr]

Here’s some criteria.

W-L record: Identical percentage ; Ohio State won 2 more games. edge Ohio State

SOS: edge Notre Dame

Results of the RPI: edge Notre Dame

Record against RPI: ND was 0-2 against 1-5, OSU was 0-3. ND was 2-1 against 6-10, OSU was 1-0. ND was 0-0 against 11-15, OSU was 1-0. ND was 1-0 against 16-20. OSU was 2-0. In total, ND was 3-3 against teams Top 20 in the RPI, which the NCAA considers “quality wins.” OSU was 4-3. Every team below is considered a “bad loss.” Edge Ohio State.

Average RPI win: ND’s was 32. OSU’s was 35. Edge ND.

Average RPI loss: ND’s was 7. OSU’s was 8. Edge ND.

Head to head competition: Edge Ohio State

Results vs common opponents: both played MD. Both lost. Both played UNC. Both won. Both played Michigan. Both won. Wash.

Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower): Notre Dame beat Duke who was ahead of them. Lost to OSU who was below. OSU beat ND who was ahead. Lost to Denver who was behind. It’s a wash

We’ve basically got a dead heat here. Except the two teams *played on the field* and Ohio State beat them. They beat them by 3 goals. No one saw the game and thought anything other than Ohio State was the better team. If you want to argue today, with your whole chest, it was a travesty that Notre Dame didn’t get into the tournament over a team that they LOST TO ON THE FIELD with a case that is basically identical according to the selection criteria laid to by the NCAA, then god bless you but I hope you find some better things to do starting with tomorrow.

Here’s the criteria by the way if you’re wondering where I pulled it from. Yeah it was close. Ohio State beat ‘em on the field. Maybe Notre Dame should win the game this year. That will go a long way. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champi ... andout.pdf

Princeton had a stronger case in 2015 than Notre Dame had in 2022 but there was far less bellyaching…..really good wins but a bad loss cost them.

their really good wins were an 8 seed and 2 unseeded teams? and 2 losses to teams outside the top 20? it's tough being a fan.

[nms]

Why is this OSU - ND pissing contest cluttering up the Ivy League thread?

[wgdsr]

Why is this OSU - ND pissing contest cluttering up the Ivy League thread?

penn's schedule.

[Gobigred]

One criteria I do know is don’t lose to all the good teams you play against.

yes!!! and if the committee followed it, we wouldn't have this thread active!! and how much fun would that be?!?!

p.s. tld's definition of good notwithstanding.

See link: https://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/season/2021-22/

Good team = the teams with an L next to the score.

play all u want. there is no more scoreboard. the acc should def be on notice but everyone else also... don't win your aq, you are on the bubble. conference tourney champs are all the rage.

loved it when they did those cigar smoke-filled backroom champs. what's old is new again!!!

You're #1 seed in the whining tournament.

[wgdsr]

One criteria I do know is don’t lose to all the good teams you play against.

yes!!! and if the committee followed it, we wouldn't have this thread active!! and how much fun would that be?!?!

p.s. tld's definition of good notwithstanding.

See link: https://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/season/2021-22/

Good team = the teams with an L next to the score.

play all u want. there is no more scoreboard. the acc should def be on notice but everyone else also... don't win your aq, you are on the bubble. conference tourney champs are all the rage.

loved it when they did those cigar smoke-filled backroom champs. what's old is new again!!!

You're #1 seed in the whining tournament.

it's a good thing i don't care about what you think. you win the #1 seed, annually, for big red fans in a number of categories. but you don't see me on here popping off about it.

am i doing this rite?

[jrn19]

For a guy who says he doesn’t care what people thinks, he sure does post a lot about what other people think

[wgdsr]

For a guy who says he doesn’t care what people thinks, he sure does post a lot about what other people think

as long as we're doing posters and not topics, you don't read too well. and after advising on what others should be doing, at that.
so that's 2 in a row and you've decided to make it hostile. noted.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Here’s some criteria.

W-L record: Identical percentage ; Ohio State won 2 more games. edge Ohio State

SOS: edge Notre Dame

Results of the RPI: edge Notre Dame

Record against RPI: ND was 0-2 against 1-5, OSU was 0-3. ND was 2-1 against 6-10, OSU was 1-0. ND was 0-0 against 11-15, OSU was 1-0. ND was 1-0 against 16-20. OSU was 2-0. In total, ND was 3-3 against teams Top 20 in the RPI, which the NCAA considers “quality wins.” OSU was 4-3. Every team below is considered a “bad loss.” Edge Ohio State.

Average RPI win: ND’s was 32. OSU’s was 35. Edge ND.

Average RPI loss: ND’s was 7. OSU’s was 8. Edge ND.

Head to head competition: Edge Ohio State

Results vs common opponents: both played MD. Both lost. Both played UNC. Both won. Both played Michigan. Both won. Wash.

Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower): Notre Dame beat Duke who was ahead of them. Lost to OSU who was below. OSU beat ND who was ahead. Lost to Denver who was behind. It’s a wash

We’ve basically got a dead heat here. Except the two teams *played on the field* and Ohio State beat them. They beat them by 3 goals. No one saw the game and thought anything other than Ohio State was the better team. If you want to argue today, with your whole chest, it was a travesty that Notre Dame didn’t get into the tournament over a team that they LOST TO ON THE FIELD with a case that is basically identical according to the selection criteria laid to by the NCAA, then god bless you but I hope you find some better things to do starting with tomorrow.

Here’s the criteria by the way if you’re wondering where I pulled it from. Yeah it was close. Ohio State beat ‘em on the field. Maybe Notre Dame should win the game this year. That will go a long way. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champi ... andout.pdf

Princeton had a stronger case in 2015 than Notre Dame had in 2022 but there was far less bellyaching…..really good wins but a bad loss cost them.

their really good wins were an 8 seed and 2 unseeded teams? and 2 losses to teams outside the top 20? it's tough being a fan.

The comparison was to ND 2022. What were the seeds for the teams ND beat in 2022? How many were unseeded tournament teams? The Lehigh loss costs the Tigers that season.

[wgdsr]

Here’s some criteria.

W-L record: Identical percentage ; Ohio State won 2 more games. edge Ohio State

SOS: edge Notre Dame

Results of the RPI: edge Notre Dame

Record against RPI: ND was 0-2 against 1-5, OSU was 0-3. ND was 2-1 against 6-10, OSU was 1-0. ND was 0-0 against 11-15, OSU was 1-0. ND was 1-0 against 16-20. OSU was 2-0. In total, ND was 3-3 against teams Top 20 in the RPI, which the NCAA considers “quality wins.” OSU was 4-3. Every team below is considered a “bad loss.” Edge Ohio State.

Average RPI win: ND’s was 32. OSU’s was 35. Edge ND.

Average RPI loss: ND’s was 7. OSU’s was 8. Edge ND.

Head to head competition: Edge Ohio State

Results vs common opponents: both played MD. Both lost. Both played UNC. Both won. Both played Michigan. Both won. Wash.

Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower): Notre Dame beat Duke who was ahead of them. Lost to OSU who was below. OSU beat ND who was ahead. Lost to Denver who was behind. It’s a wash

We’ve basically got a dead heat here. Except the two teams *played on the field* and Ohio State beat them. They beat them by 3 goals. No one saw the game and thought anything other than Ohio State was the better team. If you want to argue today, with your whole chest, it was a travesty that Notre Dame didn’t get into the tournament over a team that they LOST TO ON THE FIELD with a case that is basically identical according to the selection criteria laid to by the NCAA, then god bless you but I hope you find some better things to do starting with tomorrow.

Here’s the criteria by the way if you’re wondering where I pulled it from. Yeah it was close. Ohio State beat ‘em on the field. Maybe Notre Dame should win the game this year. That will go a long way. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champi ... andout.pdf

Princeton had a stronger case in 2015 than Notre Dame had in 2022 but there was far less bellyaching…..really good wins but a bad loss cost them.

their really good wins were an 8 seed and 2 unseeded teams? and 2 losses to teams outside the top 20? it's tough being a fan.

The comparison was to ND 2022. What were the seeds for the teams ND beat in 2022? How many were unseeded tournament teams? The Lehigh loss costs the Tigers that season.

didn't have rpi data available or know where to get it. they were still using rpi data and nc$$ criteria for selection back in 2015. anyway, the nd/tosu/penn schedule may have run it's 12-24 hour course for now on the ivy thread.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Here’s some criteria.

W-L record: Identical percentage ; Ohio State won 2 more games. edge Ohio State

SOS: edge Notre Dame

Results of the RPI: edge Notre Dame

Record against RPI: ND was 0-2 against 1-5, OSU was 0-3. ND was 2-1 against 6-10, OSU was 1-0. ND was 0-0 against 11-15, OSU was 1-0. ND was 1-0 against 16-20. OSU was 2-0. In total, ND was 3-3 against teams Top 20 in the RPI, which the NCAA considers “quality wins.” OSU was 4-3. Every team below is considered a “bad loss.” Edge Ohio State.

Average RPI win: ND’s was 32. OSU’s was 35. Edge ND.

Average RPI loss: ND’s was 7. OSU’s was 8. Edge ND.

Head to head competition: Edge Ohio State

Results vs common opponents: both played MD. Both lost. Both played UNC. Both won. Both played Michigan. Both won. Wash.

Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower): Notre Dame beat Duke who was ahead of them. Lost to OSU who was below. OSU beat ND who was ahead. Lost to Denver who was behind. It’s a wash

We’ve basically got a dead heat here. Except the two teams *played on the field* and Ohio State beat them. They beat them by 3 goals. No one saw the game and thought anything other than Ohio State was the better team. If you want to argue today, with your whole chest, it was a travesty that Notre Dame didn’t get into the tournament over a team that they LOST TO ON THE FIELD with a case that is basically identical according to the selection criteria laid to by the NCAA, then god bless you but I hope you find some better things to do starting with tomorrow.

Here’s the criteria by the way if you’re wondering where I pulled it from. Yeah it was close. Ohio State beat ‘em on the field. Maybe Notre Dame should win the game this year. That will go a long way. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champi ... andout.pdf

Princeton had a stronger case in 2015 than Notre Dame had in 2022 but there was far less bellyaching…..really good wins but a bad loss cost them.

their really good wins were an 8 seed and 2 unseeded teams? and 2 losses to teams outside the top 20? it's tough being a fan.

The comparison was to ND 2022. What were the seeds for the teams ND beat in 2022? How many were unseeded tournament teams? The Lehigh loss costs the Tigers that season.

didn't have rpi data available or know where to get it. they were still using rpi data and nc$$ criteria for selection back in 2015. anyway, the nd/tosu/penn schedule may have run it's 12-24 hour course for now on the ivy thread.

Again, RPI isn’t the only criteria. 12 games is a razor’s edge. Its a leveraged schedule.

[wgdsr]

now, you're just taunting me.

[ICGrad]

Once the Ivy starts playing games for real in 2023, can we please get past the bellyaching about ND not making the playoffs in 2022? I mean who gives anymore?

[wgdsr]

Once the Ivy starts playing games for real in 2023, can we please get past the bellyaching about ND not making the playoffs in 2022? I mean who gives anymore?

agreed. they probably shouldn't be coming up on the ivy thread with any regularity, at least on the precipice of the season.

[B10KeepsGrowing]

Here’s some criteria.

W-L record: Identical percentage ; Ohio State won 2 more games. edge Ohio State
there is no edge here. it's w/l record. tosu also had one more loss. this is not debatable.
SOS: edge Notre Dame

Results of the RPI: edge Notre Dame

Record against RPI: ND was 0-2 against 1-5, OSU was 0-3. ND was 2-1 against 6-10, OSU was 1-0. ND was 0-0 against 11-15, OSU was 1-0. ND was 1-0 against 16-20. OSU was 2-0. In total, ND was 3-3 against teams Top 20 in the RPI, which the NCAA considers “quality wins.” OSU was 4-3. Every team below is considered a “bad loss.” Edge Ohio State.
almost all of this is wrong. suffice it to say, nd won this going away if you figure out the actual figures.
Average RPI win: ND’s was 32. OSU’s was 35. Edge ND.

Average RPI loss: ND’s was 7. OSU’s was 8. Edge ND.

Head to head competition: Edge Ohio State

Results vs common opponents: both played MD. Both lost. Both played UNC. Both won. Both played Michigan. Both won. Wash.

Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower): Notre Dame beat Duke who was ahead of them. Lost to OSU who was below. OSU beat ND who was ahead. Lost to Denver who was behind. It’s a wash
this is not a wash. nd beat the #7 team 2 times. that's 2 wins. tosu lost to the #20 team while nd lost to #14. u wanna consider the latter equal, fine. 2 #7 wins trumps one vs #11.
edge: nd

We’ve basically got a dead heat here. Except the two teams *played on the field* and Ohio State beat them. They beat them by 3 goals. No one saw the game and thought anything other than Ohio State was the better team. If you want to argue today, with your whole chest, it was a travesty that Notre Dame didn’t get into the tournament over a team that they LOST TO ON THE FIELD with a case that is basically identical according to the selection criteria laid to by the NCAA, then god bless you but I hope you find some better things to do starting with tomorrow.

Here’s the criteria by the way if you’re wondering where I pulled it from. Yeah it was close. Ohio State beat ‘em on the field. Maybe Notre Dame should win the game this year. That will go a long way. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champi ... andout.pdf

so that's
6 nd
1 tosu
2 wash

and that's before you consider the emphasis referenced by our committee about big wins and bad losses, that everyone says we care so deeply about. which if we split the big/bad w/l stuff means 8-1-2.

so a question for you if you'll answer:
if a squad (or your squad), wins the criteria 6 (or more) to 1, and the 1 loss is a loss on the opponent's home field... and the opponent gets in... what do you think about that?

What I think about that (even though I am not original poster) is that totality of games and head to head matter hence OSU in and ND out. I say this but with one caveat, if ND played more than just 12 games, lets say 14 or 15 without a bad loss I may feel differently even with the head to head win by OSU. But you cant play the fewest games possible and lose head to head and complain. Lastly as for comparing the UNC game - OSU won by 12 on the road and ND won by 3 at home. However, this is all irrelevant, its a new year and ND should make the tourney. The only thing I don't understand is why they didn't add a cpl of games so that argument isn't used against them again. They are once again playing 12 games.

[pcowlax]

Make the bad man stop!