old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:59 am
]The mission immediately became to counter a revanchist Russia & incorporate the militaries of new members & their Soviet equipment & tactics.
If that were true, Turkey wouldn't be using Russian weapons.
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:11 pm
It's a real feat of logistics to move stuff from Germany to Poland, ...unless the roads are blocked with protesters.
The USAF have 272 heavy lift transport aircraft (C-5/C-17). The Luftwaffe have zero.
That's right. And why doesn't Germany or France have these transport aircraft? Keep on telling me this isn't intentional. This this is a "whoops, we forgot to buy transport planes as our duty in NATO"....just an oversight, not the key feature to NATO.
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:11 pm
How many wars did Trump take us into.
One. Syria. Actually sent troops. They're still there. Wanna try again?
ProTip: your'e full of sh9t, and as always, have one set of rules for R's, and one set of rules for D's. And rules are: the R's can do nothing wrong, and the D's can do nothing right.....doubly so when they do the same exact thing.
old salt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:30 pmBS. My position has consistently been that we can deter & contain Russia from further expansion with defensive military aid for Ukraine.
No. It hasn't. You called me a moron for not understanding that a Russian offensive was coming, and that Russia would take more land.
These two statements don't square, and you know it.
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:11 pm
I'm disappointed & frustrated that we meddled in Ukraine's internal affairs, fomenting 3 revolutions & regime changes. promising NATO membership, with Victoria Nuland handing out sandwiches in Maidan Sq, telling the EUros to go F themselves.
No, you're not. You're ignoring your statementS and citationS, plural, that we HAVE to stand up to Putin, or he'll keep taking.
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:11 pm
We said it because it was true. Putin knew that Trump wasn't going to expand NATO, make him give up Crimea or lecture him on the world stage.
Bzzzt. Wrong. That was Obama. I think it's SOOPER cute that you're skipping over Obama to fall all over yourself to suck up to Trump's little R.
Nice try. Your problem here is your FoxNation wrap yourself in the flag of the awesomeness of Trump.......can't explain Obama role without giving him credit. Obama didn't get sucked in to step #1 because he's smarter than you. Can you imagine? Someone who knows more than you? Perish the thought!
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:11 pm
OK genius, what should we have done to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine ? Oh, I know. Rewind back to '92 & don't convince them to give up their nucs. What could go wrong ?
Asked and answered, but your giant ego is too busy being wrong, and pretending you're right.....and having zero humility when even you know you've been wrong, to notice. Still think Putin doesn't need money for his armies? Still think Putin is gonna use those Syrian subs to attack Ukraine?
You learn NOTHING from your mistakes. I've never seen anything like it. You show up here with the exact same know it all, 100% certainty attitude no matter how many times you're wrong.
We discussed this waaaaay back when Obama was in office, and you were all over him and his little D for "doing it wrong". You and FoxNation (what a coincidence you parroted their views, yet again). Remember Crimea? Remember you and your neo-con buddies were all over Obama for not standing up to Putin? And for......and this is part of FoxNations's greatest hits....."being weak". Because Dems are weak. And R's are are strong....no one is tougher than a Republican.
The answer to "how do we prevent Russia from invading Ukraine" is:
you don't. You levy sanctions, and make Putin pay an economic price....which you mocked, naturally, because it's not "acting tough". This is where Obama quipped to Putin. "the 80's called, they want their foreign policy back".
And because you can't think past "take that hill", you not only mocked Obama.....you didn't bother to think, for even ten seconds, about what Obama was telling you, and the world.
Obama knew EXACTLY what Putin wants: to restore the Soviet glory before the fall. Except Obama knew what Putin didn't: Putin can't do that.
Obama is and was smarter than you. Obama's solution that you are hilariously NOW asking for is: don't engage in step #1 of my list of your Neo-Con steps to war. You didn't want to hear it, so you mocked him.
Who's laughing now OS? We're doing it YOUR way, not Obama's. And naturally, after having mocked Obama's wise choice....you're also mocking Biden for choosing YOUR path. No matter what the Dems do, you're on here telling us it's wrong.
And you think no one is noticing.
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:11 pm
ProTip : we needed Persian Gulf oil in the '80's & '90's.
Like the EU "needs" Putin's oil. They're doing fine, and adjusting the free market, just like we should have, but couldn't....because guys like you who can't think their way through problems insisted that we HAD to have that oil.
No. We didn't. But take a bow....your insistence that we "had" to get that oil led to over a million deaths, and trillions of wasted dollars mucking around in that region....money we're still paying to this day, 50 f'ing years later. You and your crew were whispering into President's ears then...and they're doing it right now......telling them "we HAVE to do this".
Yeah no, we don't. You can bet they were there telling Obama and Bush that we "had" to stand up to Putin. Nope.
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:11 pm
What are you ranting about now. All I've said about Taiwan is that we should sell them whatever military stuff, to defend themselves, that they're willing to pay for.
Tanks are going to defend Taiwan from China? Did you skip over alllll the classes on military strategy? How the F are tanks going to do that?
The tanks, as you are playing dumb here (you sure do like playing dumb lately) are a provocation of China. And it's step #1 on the Neo Con steps to war.
How many more times does this need to happen before you get it?
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:11 pm
The Generals got us out of combat ops in Iraq & Afghanistan. They just wanted to leave a small residual force, who would not be in combat, to advise & enable the local security forces. A small investment with a huge payoff, when used. Your inability to grasp this nuance makes it impossible to have a rational discussion with you. It works.
You don't get it. I'm trying to help you recognize step #1 so that we don't hit step #7. Or to recognize Mission Creep before you hit step #7.
That's the nuance, my man. You just don't want to hear it.
I'm telling you this so that you recognize we're executing step #1 THE NEXT TIME...which you are hilariously missing with Taiwan, and missed with Ukraine.
You'll never learn. I've tried, but your giant ego won't allow you to listen to anyone. Obama was right to not get sucked in to step #1. You were wrong.
Remember to act shocked when we hit step #2 in Taiwan.