old salt wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 12:27 am
...we didn't go ashore in Iraq until '91,
Yeah...that ain't what you asked. You can't keep your nonsense together from post to post...
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:28 pm
We've never sponsored a proxy war of this magnitude
This is a lie. It's a lie, not a misstatement....because you know perfectly well that we started arming, training, and bankrolling Saddam starting in (at least) 1983. And guys like you SWORE we "had not no choice" but to fight this war because they were too stupid to understand that no matter how much war is happening in the ME...the oil will keep on flowing. So what did you advocate? That's right.....a proxy war that led to the death of over a million people in the Iran/Iraq regions.
You asserted "we never sponsored a proxy war of this magnitude". You're lying. Why? Because your giant ego won't let you concede that paths and choices YOU advocated had bad outcomes. YOU wanted cheap oil, and didn't care that over a million people died to get it YOUR way.
And here you are yet again, with your giant ego, unable to concede that Biden is doing just fine, having been placed between a rock and a hard place, with no right move on hand, assuming your believe the same Russian pundits you keep citing.
in your eyes, Biden MUST fail.....because you can't handle the damage to you ego if this war works out.
THAT is why you're cheering for failure. Ego.
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:28 pm
The peace is holding in Iraq (& NE Syria) with our minimal ongoing presence there,
Yeah. After we fomented and enabled a proxy war....and then sent in troops .....twice, creating MORE war.
Now that, oh, over a million people are dead because of our proxy wars AND direct interventions.....all because YOU think we "had to do it" because we "have to have cheap oil"....things are relatively.....relatively.....less of a warzone. Take a bow, things are AWESOME in Iraq. Nice job!.
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:28 pm
things are really great for the Afghan people since we pulled out our (& NATO's) minimal security force. .
Well next time? Don't start a F"ing proxy war there, Old Salt. Leave them the F alone. Then the Afghani would NEVER have known what or where the United States was. Then there's no 9/11. And no need to send troops there.
Listen to the real liberals. They were telling all of you idiots who can't think past "take that hill" DON"T DO IT. What did you do, instead? Treated Afghanistan like a toy, and played Charlie Wilson's game. And we paid the price for your shortsightedness.
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:28 pm
After meddling in Ukraine's internal affairs since '92, fomenting revolutions & regime changes there, & enabling this ongoing proxy war, we're on the hook until a diplomatic solution or frozen conflict emerges. Then we'll have to rebuild & protect the new, improved Ukraine, ...indefinitely.
Wait...does this mean you've pulled your head out of your *ss, and are admitting this is Standard Operating Procedure, and Biden is doing the same exact sh*t YOU have advocated for for 50 years? And the ONLY difference is: Biden is a Dem, and you don't want to acknowledge that he's using YOUR playbook.
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:28 pm
Next up : Taiwan
Holy cow....you ARE admitting that this is Standard Operating Procedure, and Biden is doing the same exact sh*t you've advocated for in the past....and will do in the future.
We have a phrase for this: Global Cop. And YOU want us to send tanks to Taiwan, and start yet another war. Sweet!
Well, this has been a productive conversation. Only took you, oh, about a year to admit that Biden is using YOUR playbook. And the ONLY reason you're b*tching about it is that you DESPERATELY want to complain that Biden is "doing it wrong".
If Biden had followed my consistent advice, and not done a thing militarily with countries that we don't have treaties with? You'd be on here, together will allllll the Republicans and FoxNation, whining about how "Biden is weak", and is "doing it wrong"
There's not a poster here who doesn't know that that's the straight truth. It's why you said---repeatedly----that you think Putin didn't invade when Trump was in power. Because for decades, Republicans that need to make up for a shortfall in their pants regions, think that "acting tough" solves every problem in the world...and INSIST that Dems are weak.
Now that Biden has proven he's just as much of a neo con as the Republicans, and stood up to Putin like you want?
You're complaining. I thought tough guys were awesome, OS? That little D make you change your mind?
(yep, that's exactly what did it)
It's not fooling anyone. You can't name the last Dem that "did it right" when it came to foreign policy. Yet spectacularly, Trump was FLAWLESS for you....even though neither he nor his aides could even tell you what the F his policies were.