All Things Russia & Ukraine

[old salt]

It's a sad commentary on our msm when you have to turn to RT to get an accurate analysis of our political moves masquerading as military aid.

Blame Petraeus. CNN had him on after the US announcement, and he didn't say a word about how it would be years before they'd arrive.....he implied they'd arrive first, before the German and Polish tanks.

Guess CNN needs better "experts".

Petraeus does not want to say anything that may be interpreted as discouraging. Other experts point out the time delay, hoping Biden & DoD will relent & send serviceable Abrams (like the ones the Marines just retired that are going to Poland as interim backfill) rather than waiting for re-mans off the production line

[a fan]

It's a sad commentary on our msm when you have to turn to RT to get an accurate analysis of our political moves masquerading as military aid.

Blame Petraeus. CNN had him on after the US announcement, and he didn't say a word about how it would be years before they'd arrive.....he implied they'd arrive first, before the German and Polish tanks.

Guess CNN needs better "experts".

Petraeus does not want to say anything that may be interpreted as discouraging.

Yeah. That's what you were just complaining about, remember?

[Kismet]

It's a sad commentary on our msm when you have to turn to RT to get an accurate analysis of our political moves masquerading as military aid.
There's a good chance the 31 Abrams tanks we'll be sending won't arrive in time to matter in Ukraine but could jeopardize their arrival in Taiwan or to backfill Poland. Why are serviceable M1A1's sitting in storage, waiting in line as seed tanks for re-manufacture into the latest version M1A2, when they are urgently needed in Poland, Taiwan & Ukraine ? This is a way to say "yes", when "no" is the answer in reality.

https://www.rt.com/news/570546-ukraine-us-abrams-tanks/
I posted & linked this 2 days ago.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/2 ... s-00079648
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine ... hallenges/

If Rooskie propaganda works for you, what more can be said? Except that you expect American media to carry water for the Rooskies.
Maybe next, suggest you start swapping out the Russian national anthem for ours. It's easier to sing,too.

Personally. I think you do garbage like this to get a rise of of everybody. Pretty weak sauce.

The Rooskie article cites Politico. Idiots respond in your manner, rather than considering the substance.
What offends you about the RT article ? What's in it that you take issue with.

If that's the case, Politico is US media - which invalidates your initial statement. Why not simply cite them as the source?
A useful idiot calling others idiots - how true to form.

[old salt]

It's a sad commentary on our msm when you have to turn to RT to get an accurate analysis of our political moves masquerading as military aid.
There's a good chance the 31 Abrams tanks we'll be sending won't arrive in time to matter in Ukraine but could jeopardize their arrival in Taiwan or to backfill Poland. Why are serviceable M1A1's sitting in storage, waiting in line as seed tanks for re-manufacture into the latest version M1A2, when they are urgently needed in Poland, Taiwan & Ukraine ? This is a way to say "yes", when "no" is the answer in reality.

https://www.rt.com/news/570546-ukraine-us-abrams-tanks/
I posted & linked this 2 days ago.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/2 ... s-00079648
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine ... hallenges/

If Rooskie propaganda works for you, what more can be said? Except that you expect American media to carry water for the Rooskies.
Maybe next, suggest you start swapping out the Russian national anthem for ours. It's easier to sing,too.

Personally. I think you do garbage like this to get a rise of of everybody. Pretty weak sauce.

The Rooskie article cites Politico. Idiots respond in your manner, rather than considering the substance.
What offends you about the RT article ? What's in it that you take issue with.

If that's the case, Politico is US media - which invalidates your initial statement.
A useful idiot calling others idiots - how true to form.

The reporting about the time delay was buried in the Politico article. The headline & lede were about the secret armor.
A savvy media pro like you should see that the US msm is soft pedaling the delay. They're not reporting what Zelensky is saying to foreign media about the delay, but to link it in this close minded forum would elicit accusstions of promoting Russian propaganda.

[a fan]

The Rooskie article cites Politico. Idiots respond in your manner, rather than considering the substance.

No...partisan idiots complain no matter what happens.

How much have you been b*tching about the US doing all the heavy lifting, and the "Euroburgers" not lifting a finger?

Now that they are stepping in, you move the goalposts, and are now complaining that the US tanks won't arrive anytime soon.

And bashing US media....until you realize you're bashing Petraus, then you change your mind, and tell us that Petraeus "doesn't want to say anything discouraging"....which is somehow ok with you.

Do you not realize how silly you're being?

[old salt]

It's a sad commentary on our msm when you have to turn to RT to get an accurate analysis of our political moves masquerading as military aid.
There's a good chance the 31 Abrams tanks we'll be sending won't arrive in time to matter in Ukraine but could jeopardize their arrival in Taiwan or to backfill Poland. Why are serviceable M1A1's sitting in storage, waiting in line as seed tanks for re-manufacture into the latest version M1A2, when they are urgently needed in Poland, Taiwan & Ukraine ? This is a way to say "yes", when "no" is the answer in reality.

https://www.rt.com/news/570546-ukraine-us-abrams-tanks/
I posted & linked this 2 days ago.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/2 ... s-00079648
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine ... hallenges/

If Rooskie propaganda works for you, what more can be said? Except that you expect American media to carry water for the Rooskies.
Maybe next, suggest you start swapping out the Russian national anthem for ours. It's easier to sing,too.

Personally. I think you do garbage like this to get a rise of of everybody. Pretty weak sauce.

The Rooskie article cites Politico. Idiots respond in your manner, rather than considering the substance.
What offends you about the RT article ? What's in it that you take issue with.

If that's the case, Politico is US media - which invalidates your initial statement.
A useful idiot calling others idiots - how true to form.

The reporting about the time delay was buried in the Politico article. The headline & lede were about the secret armor.
A savvy media pro like you should see that the US msm is soft pedaling the delay. They're not reporting what Zelensky is saying to foreign media about the delay, but to link it in this close minded forum would elicit accusstions of promoting Russian propaganda.

https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-upset ... -too-late/

[a fan]

The reporting about the time delay was buried in the Politico article. The headline & lede were about the secret armor.
A savvy media pro like you should see that the Petraeus is soft pedaling the delay. Petreaus is not reporting what Zelensky is saying to foreign media about the delay, but to link it in this close minded forum would elicit accusstions of promoting Russian propaganda.

Fixed. If you're gonna complain, sometimes you're going to have to complain about people you consider to be on "your team".

[old salt]

The Rooskie article cites Politico. Idiots respond in your manner, rather than considering the substance.

No...partisan idiots complain no matter what happens.

How much have you been b*tching about the US doing all the heavy lifting, and the "Euroburgers" not lifting a finger?

Now that they are stepping in, you move the goalposts, and are now complaining that the US tanks won't arrive anytime soon.

And bashing US media....until you realize you're bashing Petraus, then you change your mind, and tell us that Petraeus "doesn't want to say anything discouraging"....which is somehow ok with you.

Do you not realize how silly you're being?

Petraeus has been avoiding saying anything that could discourage maximum military aid to Ukraine.
Here's another CNN General acknowledging the delay.

I'm not changing my mind.
The Germans deserve the bashing they're taking on this. Preventing other NATO members from donating their Leopards & demanding a fig leaf that the US send 31 Abrams that are more urgently needed by Taiwan & Poland to back fill the Leopards, T-91's & T-72's the Poles are donating.
I support getting as many capable tanks as possible to Ukraine asap, in hopes (imho) that it will hasten the end of this conflict.
Time is not on Ukraine's side.

[a fan]

I'm not changing my mind. Petraeus has been avoiding saying anything that could discourage maximum military aid to Ukraine.

Great. So why aren't you yelling about him?

The Germans deserve the bashing they're taking on this.

Past tense. Deserved. They're now doing what you ask. So move on.

[a fan]

Time is not on Ukraine's side.

Like it's on Putin's side?

Every incremental increase of military aid to Ukraine turns the screws tighter on Putin. He's beyond F'ed with each passing day. Putin may launch an offensive, but it doesn't matter....he can't hold territory now that NATO is getting more and more directly involved with each passing day.

Ukraine's people aren't gonna cede the new ground Russia has taken in the past year, OS. Don't know what you need to see to understand that. Putin can't hold this land. Same thing I've been asking from the start: how does Putin think he's gonna hold territory that doesn't want to be held?

[old salt]

Time is not on Ukraine's side.

Like it's on Putin's side?

Every incremental increase of military aid to Ukraine turns the screws tighter on Putin. He's beyond F'ed with each passing day. Putin may launch an offensive, but it doesn't matter....he can't hold territory now that NATO is getting more and more directly involved with each passing day.

Ukraine's people aren't gonna cede the new ground Russia has taken in the past year, OS. Don't know what you need to see to understand that. Putin can't hold this land. Same thing I've been asking from the start: how does Putin think he's gonna hold territory that doesn't want to be held?

Right now, it's a short term race to take & hold territory which will establish the line of contact which will be the starting negotiating line for a border when it either turns into a frozen conflict or ceasefire for negotiations. Both sides have been reinforcing, rearming & building defenses.
The Russians are gaining strength faster than the Ukrainians are. There's a lot of hype about increased western aid to Ukraine but it takes time to arrive & be incorporated. It's a hodgepodge for training & supply purposes.

[old salt]

It's a sad commentary on our msm when you have to turn to RT to get an accurate analysis of our political moves masquerading as military aid.
There's a good chance the 31 Abrams tanks we'll be sending won't arrive in time to matter in Ukraine but could jeopardize their arrival in Taiwan or to backfill Poland. Why are serviceable M1A1's sitting in storage, waiting in line as seed tanks for re-manufacture into the latest version M1A2, when they are urgently needed in Poland, Taiwan & Ukraine ? This is a way to say "yes", when "no" is the answer in reality.

https://www.rt.com/news/570546-ukraine-us-abrams-tanks/
I posted & linked this 2 days ago.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/2 ... s-00079648
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine ... hallenges/

If Rooskie propaganda works for you, what more can be said? Except that you expect American media to carry water for the Rooskies.
Maybe next, suggest you start swapping out the Russian national anthem for ours. It's easier to sing,too.

Personally. I think you do garbage like this to get a rise of of everybody. Pretty weak sauce.

The Rooskie article cites Politico. Idiots respond in your manner, rather than considering the substance.
What offends you about the RT article ? What's in it that you take issue with.

If that's the case, Politico is US media - which invalidates your initial statement.
A useful idiot calling others idiots - how true to form.

The reporting about the time delay was buried in the Politico article. The headline & lede were about the secret armor.
A savvy media pro like you should see that the US msm is soft pedaling the delay. They're not reporting what Zelensky is saying to foreign media about the delay, but to link it in this close minded forum would elicit accusstions of promoting Russian propaganda.

https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-upset ... -too-late/

Witness the hummina hummina from the DoD spokesperson about the timeline, sourcing & training of the Abrams tanks being provided.
She talks as if the M1A1's no longer exist & "new" M1A2's off the production line are the only option. Baffle 'em with BS.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcript ... -briefing/

[old salt]

Time is not on Ukraine's side.

Like it's on Putin's side?

Every incremental increase of military aid to Ukraine turns the screws tighter on Putin. He's beyond F'ed with each passing day. Putin may launch an offensive, but it doesn't matter....he can't hold territory now that NATO is getting more and more directly involved with each passing day.

Ukraine's people aren't gonna cede the new ground Russia has taken in the past year, OS. Don't know what you need to see to understand that. Putin can't hold this land. Same thing I've been asking from the start: how does Putin think he's gonna hold territory that doesn't want to be held?

NATO isn't sending soldiers to man or maintain the equipment they're sending.
Re. manpower, Putin has a deeper bench than Zelensky.
Our Pentagon is advising Z that the sooner he can mount his next offensive (in the south), the better the chances of a decisive, favorable outcome.

[a fan]

Right now, it's a short term race to take & hold territory which will establish the line of contact which will be the starting negotiating line for a border when it either turns into a frozen conflict or ceasefire for negotiations. Both sides have been reinforcing, rearming & building defenses.

I get that. I do.

But the Ukrainians don't want to be occupied unlike Crimea. And do you think these tanks are the last step for NATO? I don't.

NATO is now pot committed, after kicking and screaming their way to finally helping Ukraine. Surely you get that.

The Russians are gaining strength faster than the Ukrainians are.

According to who? You can't possibly think that the only "hype" happening is on the Ukraine side of the ledger. Use your head. Any notion that Putin is holding better cards went to pot the minute he called a draft less than a year into the battle.

It's not possible that Russia is "gaining strength" faster than Ukraine long term. Short term? Possibly. Maybe.

But now Putin has to compete with NATO, instead of just the US. And Biden, as you very well know, will step it up long term if he's getting backing from Germany et. al.

I don't see how Putin can hold this new land.

[a fan]

NATO isn't sending soldiers to man or maintain the equipment they're sending.

Yet. As I said, I doubt these tanks are the last of what is sent......

Re. manpower, Putin has a deeper bench than Zelensky.

More humans? Sure. They have more of those.

[NattyBohChamps04]

The reporting about the time delay was buried in the Politico article. The headline & lede were about the secret armor.
A savvy media pro like you should see that the US msm is soft pedaling the delay. They're not reporting what Zelensky is saying to foreign media about the delay, but to link it in this close minded forum would elicit accusstions of promoting Russian propaganda.

https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-upset ... -too-late/

Witness the hummina hummina from the DoD spokesperson about the timeline, sourcing & training of the Abrams tanks being provided.
She talks as if the M1A1's no longer exist & "new" M1A2's off the production line are the only option. Baffle 'em with BS.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcript ... -briefing/

The timing isn't that important (31 tanks ain't much), but the announcement is. European nations can now send tanks without seeming like an escalation.

[MDlaxfan76]

NATO isn't sending soldiers to man or maintain the equipment they're sending.

Yet. As I said, I doubt these tanks are the last of what is sent......

Re. manpower, Putin has a deeper bench than Zelensky.

More humans? Sure. They have more of those.

emptying the jails...whole lot of young men have fled.
Certainly the smartest ones have done so.

Massive casualties.

[old salt]

The Russians are gaining strength faster than the Ukrainians are.

According to who? You can't possibly think that the only "hype" happening is on the Ukraine side of the ledger. Use your head. Any notion that Putin is holding better cards went to pot the minute he called a draft less than a year into the battle.

It's not possible that Russia is "gaining strength" faster than Ukraine long term. Short term? Possibly. Maybe.

But now Putin has to compete with NATO, instead of just the US. And Biden, as you very well know, will step it up long term if he's getting backing from Germany et. al.

I don't see how Putin can hold this new land.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64422568
Western officials had hoped that Ukraine may be able to mount an offensive as soon as this spring. They believe there is now a window of opportunity while Russia struggles to recruit and rebuild its battered forces, and to replenish its dwindling supplies of ammunition.

Putin's been competing with NATO since he came to power.
You view this as backing from Germany ?
They've been delaying & preventing other NATO allies from sending tanks.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

[a fan]

You view this as backing from Germany ?

A start, yep. You bet. But please, by all means, give me more of your condescension.

[old salt]

https://english.elpais.com/internationa ... tanks.html