Ivy League 2023

[Typical Lax Dad]

who do you think jay signs with?

Not sure if he will head to TV or end up in the league. Never know. Wonder if a big NIL offer will induce him back to college?

[Farfromgeneva]

show me a head college coach that has moved to 4 schools in 4 years….or 3 schools in 4 years…. Or 2 schools in 4 years….. I don’t like the like the randomness of the NIL.

sorry, didn't see this prior. if you see this as an equivalence, we don't agree!

as far as intra-university and intra-conference revenue sharing, for sure that'll happen. and not because schools and their "employees" want to see the $$ go. i think larry the car dealer will stay in business. if coaches believe tying players down solves their problems? we'll see.

I know of plenty of companies that limit who can pay an employee away from their “job”. Happens every day. I want athletes to get a piece of the pie and it to be equitable. I don’t know of many “anything goes” industries.

Handcuffs occur regularly in all sorts of jobs.

[Typical Lax Dad]

show me a head college coach that has moved to 4 schools in 4 years….or 3 schools in 4 years…. Or 2 schools in 4 years….. I don’t like the like the randomness of the NIL.

sorry, didn't see this prior. if you see this as an equivalence, we don't agree!

as far as intra-university and intra-conference revenue sharing, for sure that'll happen. and not because schools and their "employees" want to see the $$ go. i think larry the car dealer will stay in business. if coaches believe tying players down solves their problems? we'll see.

I know of plenty of companies that limit who can pay an employee away from their “job”. Happens every day. I want athletes to get a piece of the pie and it to be equitable. I don’t know of many “anything goes” industries.

Handcuffs occur regularly in all sorts of jobs.

If Bowling Green or Middle Tennessee can’t find a team sugar daddy, screw the players. Should have gone somewhere else.

[wgdsr]

show me a head college coach that has moved to 4 schools in 4 years….or 3 schools in 4 years…. Or 2 schools in 4 years….. I don’t like the like the randomness of the NIL.

sorry, didn't see this prior. if you see this as an equivalence, we don't agree!

as far as intra-university and intra-conference revenue sharing, for sure that'll happen. and not because schools and their "employees" want to see the $$ go. i think larry the car dealer will stay in business. if coaches believe tying players down solves their problems? we'll see.

I know of plenty of companies that limit who can pay an employee away from their “job”. Happens every day. I want athletes to get a piece of the pie and it to be equitable. I don’t know of many “anything goes” industries.

Handcuffs occur regularly in all sorts of jobs.

If Bowling Green or Middle Tennessee can’t find a team sugar daddy, screw the players. Should have gone somewhere else.

who is paying the 2-deep ilb at bowling green to make it "equitable"?

[Typical Lax Dad]

show me a head college coach that has moved to 4 schools in 4 years….or 3 schools in 4 years…. Or 2 schools in 4 years….. I don’t like the like the randomness of the NIL.

sorry, didn't see this prior. if you see this as an equivalence, we don't agree!

as far as intra-university and intra-conference revenue sharing, for sure that'll happen. and not because schools and their "employees" want to see the $$ go. i think larry the car dealer will stay in business. if coaches believe tying players down solves their problems? we'll see.

I know of plenty of companies that limit who can pay an employee away from their “job”. Happens every day. I want athletes to get a piece of the pie and it to be equitable. I don’t know of many “anything goes” industries.

Handcuffs occur regularly in all sorts of jobs.

If Bowling Green or Middle Tennessee can’t find a team sugar daddy, screw the players. Should have gone somewhere else.

who is paying the 2-deep ilb at bowling green to make it "equitable"?

Judge should have thought about that or was his ruling just for SEC, Big 10, some Pac 12, some Big 12 and some ACC schools?

[ICGrad]

Apropos of nothing, was watching my Vols beat up on Clemson and the announcers were talking about the fact that Clemson's RB, Will Shipley, has a brother who plays lacrosse at Penn. Had no idea Penn's Shipley had a brother playing at Clemson(!). Apparently Will chose football over lacrosse, and was also a gifted lacrosse athlete in HS.

Obviously a very athletically and academically gifted family.

[The Orfling]

USA Lax magazine pre-season top 20 has 6 Ivies in the top 20 (Cornell #4, Princeton #5, Yale #8, Penn #9, Brown #12, Harvard #15):

https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/ ... n-top-20-0

Looks reasonable to me although I'd bump Cornell up to #3 over Georgetown? Interested to hear others' thoughts on these teams -- I know we get some good pre-season predictions/team rundowns each year. These are my quick thoughts about strengths/questions marks, using the USA Lax pre-season ranking order:

• Cornell looks loaded and balanced -- CJ Kirst looks like a legitimate Tewey contender at some point, and Adler and Ierlan on the back end is as good as you'll ever see;

• Princeton certainly offensively loaded -- six out of top seven scorers back and Mackesy was just coming into his own last year in May -- but can they come back strong defensively after losing three out of their great back four (Baughan, Song, Peters) to graduation?

• Yale has a monster attack (Brandau/Lyons/Johnson), Thomas Bragg the Human Howitzer on EMO, and Brad Sharp as a dominant midfielder, but the defense scuffled tremendously last year even with Chris Fake, who's out in South Bend now;

• Brown always seems to punch above weight and got some interesting transfers, but they lose 4 out of their top 5 2022 scorers (happily 50-ish goal scorer Devon McLane is back) and two great defenders in the "Killer Gs" Geppert and Gaydos -- but they've still got All-Ivy First Team goalie Connor Theriault, aka the People's Goalie, returning, as well as high-impact ssdm Trevor Yeboah-Kodie, and Gunty at FOGO should nab plenty of possessions;

• Harvard's got lots of young talent returning on offense -- and 7 of its 8 leading 2022 scorers -- along with a great rope unit, and Gerry Byrne can coach defense like nobody's business, but can they replace Mullin in goal and will their first-year FOGO find success at the X?

[bearlaxfan]

The question for every top 20 Ivy except Yale is: can they maintain success? Don't be 1 or 2 year wonders, keep a steady talent flow and coaching excellence. Yale has done that.
Yale's '23 questions are: how much was '22's defensive downturn a one time thing? Do they need Ierlan-ish 70% faceoffs to be a natty championship threat?
Dartmouth: continue the upward trend, and which program do they displace to get out of Ivy cellardom?

[Can Opener]

Tufts v Brown 1 pm
Tufts v Dartmouth 3 pm
Brown/Dartmouth are probably scrimmaging too, but I don't know the time.

Feb 12 in Hanover

I saw this on the D3 page.

MD -- I thought you may know whether they will likely play this outdoors or if they will play on the shorter field inside the new (spectacular) field house. I personally love New England winters, but a Feb 12 outdoor scrimmage in Hanover seems like a recipe for a lot of broken sticks and frostbitten fingers.

[Farfromgeneva]

Apropos of nothing, was watching my Vols beat up on Clemson and the announcers were talking about the fact that Clemson's RB, Will Shipley, has a brother who plays lacrosse at Penn. Had no idea Penn's Shipley had a brother playing at Clemson(!). Apparently Will chose football over lacrosse, and was also a gifted lacrosse athlete in HS.

Obviously a very athletically and academically gifted family.

You’re a Vols fan as well? Man you should’ve gone to Bart instead of IC. (Or maybe not if we’re same vintage it’s possible we would’ve gotten each other the classic “medical leave of absence” to quietly transfer…)

Orange Bowl was excellent, made up for a crappy Peach Bowl with same teams I went to somewhere 10-15yrs ago where I expected UT to win and they got beat by a mediocre Clemson squad.

[ICGrad]

Apropos of nothing, was watching my Vols beat up on Clemson and the announcers were talking about the fact that Clemson's RB, Will Shipley, has a brother who plays lacrosse at Penn. Had no idea Penn's Shipley had a brother playing at Clemson(!). Apparently Will chose football over lacrosse, and was also a gifted lacrosse athlete in HS.

Obviously a very athletically and academically gifted family.

You’re a Vola fan as well? Man you should’ve gone to Bart instead of IC. (Or maybe not if we’re same vintage it’s possible we would’ve gotten each other the classic “medical leave of absence” to quietly transfer…)

Orange Bowl was excellent, made up for a crappy Peach Bowl with same teams I went to somewhere 10-15yrs ago where I expected UT to win and they got beat by a mediocre Clemson squad.

I did my graduate work at UTK in the early-to-mid 90s. Peyton Manning era. Actually, the year he graduated and was drafted by Indianapolis was the year we moved to Indiana.

[Can Opener]

Lacrosse Bucket released their Ivy season preview today. Full story is here:
https://lacrossebucket.com/2023/01/18/2 ... e-preview/

The Cliff Notes are here:

Top Players

Offensive Player of The Year: Matt Brandau, A, Yale

Defensive Player of The Year: Gavin Adler, D, Cornell

Specialist of The Year: Mitchell Myers, FO, Dartmouth

Projected Final Standings

1. Cornell
2. Princeton
3. Penn
4. Yale
5. Harvard
6. Brown
7. Dartmouth

[Slim]

Disagree with AOY. Brandau is outstanding, but Kirst is the most dynamic player in the league.

[FannOLax]

Pretty tough to rank the 1 through 4 top teams in the conference pre-season; that being said, Cornell seems as good a pick as any to win the Ivy. In fact, I might rate Cornell's defensive unit as the best in the Ivy (and not the Penn D that Lacrosse Bucket chose). At the other end of the league table, putting Dartmouth 7th seems logical until proven otherwise. With the possible exception of the ACC, were Dartmouth in any other conference, you could say, "Yes, Dartmouth will get a conference win or two, beating X and maybe even Y," but in the Ivy, well, all of the other teams are quite good (and a few might be excellent). However, Dartmouth has been improving, and it wouldn't shock me to see The Green pick up an Ivy win, but I'm not quite ready to make any predictions.

Contrary to some dire predictions on FanLax that followed the Ivy cancelling its 2021 spring sports, there were plenty of freshmen (and sophomores playing their first college ball) who made very positive impacts last year. I suspect we'll see at least a handful of strong rookies again this year in the Ancient Eight (er, Ancient Seven in men's lax). I'm very excited to find out who they might be.

[Farfromgeneva]

Apropos of nothing, was watching my Vols beat up on Clemson and the announcers were talking about the fact that Clemson's RB, Will Shipley, has a brother who plays lacrosse at Penn. Had no idea Penn's Shipley had a brother playing at Clemson(!). Apparently Will chose football over lacrosse, and was also a gifted lacrosse athlete in HS.

Obviously a very athletically and academically gifted family.

You’re a Vola fan as well? Man you should’ve gone to Bart instead of IC. (Or maybe not if we’re same vintage it’s possible we would’ve gotten each other the classic “medical leave of absence” to quietly transfer…)

Orange Bowl was excellent, made up for a crappy Peach Bowl with same teams I went to somewhere 10-15yrs ago where I expected UT to win and they got beat by a mediocre Clemson squad.

I did my graduate work at UTK in the early-to-mid 90s. Peyton Manning era. Actually, the year he graduated and was drafted by Indianapolis was the year we moved to Indiana.

Got it, for some reason I decided I liked them young at the very end of the Johnny Majors era and Heath Shuler. Little bit before Peyton got there. Been to knoxville a few times. Certain parts are cool, but a very horizontally spread out town for the size of the population with some weird pockets there.

Presume you get to St Elmo's occasionally if your in Indy.

[Farfromgeneva]

Pretty tough to rank the 1 through 4 top teams in the conference pre-season; that being said, Cornell seems as good a pick as any to win the Ivy. At the other end of the league table, putting Dartmouth 7th seems logical until proven otherwise. With the possible exception of the ACC, were Dartmouth in any other conference, you could say, "Yes, Dartmouth will get a conference win or two, beating X and maybe even Y," but in the Ivy, well, all of the other teams are quite good (and a few might be excellent). However, Dartmouth has been improving, and it wouldn't shock me to see The Green pick up an Ivy win, but I'm not quite ready to make any predictions.

Contrary to some dire predictions on FanLax that followed the Ivy cancelling its 2021 spring sports, there were plenty of freshmen (and sophomores playing their first college ball) who made very positive impacts last year. I suspect we'll see at least a handful of strong rookies again this year in the Ancient Eight (er, Ancient Seven in men's lax). I'm very excited to find out who they might be.

I'm pretty nervous about an interesting matchup Hobart has with Dart. Comparative scores don't do much usually but you'll have them against Cornell and then Dartmouth to see as one datapoint.

[ICGrad]

Got it, for some reason I decided I liked them young at the very end of the Johnny Majors era and Heath Shuler. Little bit before Peyton got there. Been to knoxville a few times. Certain parts are cool, but a very horizontally spread out town for the size of the population with some weird pockets there.

Presume you get to St Elmo's occasionally if your in Indy.

I was there for the Heath Shuler years. I think he started QB'ing my first or second year there. And the brief Todd Helton era as well, before he decided to concentrate on baseball.

I live about an hour north of Indy, but used to work there. I've eaten at St Elmo's once or twice.

Pretty tough to rank the 1 through 4 top teams in the conference pre-season;

Agreed.

Easy to forget after that killer run in the NCAAs that Cornell had a must-win game against Princeton in the last game of the season to even make the Ivy Tournament, with some predicting their season might be over if they lost that game. And that even then, they were one-and-done in the Ivies.

I doubt the Ivies will get six teams in again this year, and really even 3 would be a great year most seasons, so with a league this deep it promises to be a slugfest.

[Farfromgeneva]

Anyone else see a path where Harvard and Penn flip spots?

[oldbartman]

Pretty tough to rank the 1 through 4 top teams in the conference pre-season; that being said, Cornell seems as good a pick as any to win the Ivy. At the other end of the league table, putting Dartmouth 7th seems logical until proven otherwise. With the possible exception of the ACC, were Dartmouth in any other conference, you could say, "Yes, Dartmouth will get a conference win or two, beating X and maybe even Y," but in the Ivy, well, all of the other teams are quite good (and a few might be excellent). However, Dartmouth has been improving, and it wouldn't shock me to see The Green pick up an Ivy win, but I'm not quite ready to make any predictions.

Contrary to some dire predictions on FanLax that followed the Ivy cancelling its 2021 spring sports, there were plenty of freshmen (and sophomores playing their first college ball) who made very positive impacts last year. I suspect we'll see at least a handful of strong rookies again this year in the Ancient Eight (er, Ancient Seven in men's lax). I'm very excited to find out who they might be.

I'm pretty nervous about an interesting matchup Hobart has with Dart. Comparative scores don't do much usually but you'll have them against Cornell and then Dartmouth to see as one datapoint.

Dartmouth's FOGO did a solid job against every IVY team in 2022. He could be a game changer v Bart.

[Can Opener]

Ivy Scrimmages

A quick search turned up these preseason scrimmages. Please add more as you learn of them.

Feb 4
Yale at Fairfield

Feb 5
Harvard at St. John's

Feb 12
Brown vs. Tufts & Dartmouth at Dartmouth