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And true to form his office incorrectly sent out a press release yesterday confirming that he had been sworn in as a member of Congress.Jim Malone wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:28 pm George Santos has amended his CV after being sworn in. He is now, the Speaker of The House!
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Your party has told you what path they've chosen: more Trumpism.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:47 pm And so it begins. Straight party line politics. https://twitter.com/stevescalise/status ... gYczKblbRQ
Agreed; it was a real example of this GOP majority: totally performative nonsense, wasting everyone's time so that guys like Scalise could send out a tweet and get their faces and moment on Fox. Look at the comments/replies to his tweet:youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:47 pm And so it begins. Straight party line politics. https://twitter.com/stevescalise/status ... gYczKblbRQ
It “began” when Obama came into office. Mitch and crew realized owning libs gets their drones, I mean constituents, more excited and out to vote than actually working on legislation for which they can be held accountable….youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:47 pm And so it begins. Straight party line politics. https://twitter.com/stevescalise/status ... gYczKblbRQ
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:10 pmyouthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:47 pm And so it begins. Straight party line politics. https://twitter.com/stevescalise/status ... gYczKblbRQWhat specifically is Trumpism, legislatively?
Did you see the article I cited and tagged you in last night. Where R's are proposing Flat Tax?
Getting nothing done, may not be a bad thing in these tumultuous times. If all they do is work on the basics....well see.
You could get hit by a mack truck of something the r's did successfully, and you'd still find something to complain about...or tell us that you told us so years ago.![]()
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So...the flat tax concept is good for working class Americans?youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:41 ama fan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:10 pmyouthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:47 pm And so it begins. Straight party line politics. https://twitter.com/stevescalise/status ... gYczKblbRQWhat specifically is Trumpism, legislatively?
Did you see the article I cited and tagged you in last night. Where R's are proposing Flat Tax?
Getting nothing done, may not be a bad thing in these tumultuous times. If all they do is work on the basics....well see.
You could get hit by a mack truck of something the r's did successfully, and you'd still find something to complain about...or tell us that you told us so years ago.![]()
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The question I have is whether a flat tax that eliminates ALL deductions and loopholes could be set at a level that is lower than your average American's avg tax rate.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:10 amSo...the flat tax concept is good for working class Americans?
How big a rate would it need to be to raise the revenues necessary?
Who would pay the biggest share of their personal incomes?
What would the "unintended consequences" be and how could those be mitigated?
R's and D's alike.HooDat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:19 amThe question I have is whether a flat tax that eliminates ALL deductions and loopholes could be set at a level that is lower than your average American's avg tax rate.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:10 amSo...the flat tax concept is good for working class Americans?
How big a rate would it need to be to raise the revenues necessary?
Who would pay the biggest share of their personal incomes?
What would the "unintended consequences" be and how could those be mitigated?
I am on record as favoring a very VERY small transaction tax and eliminating the income tax altogether.
But the bottom line is none of these things are going to happen. The government is not going to give up the power that is encapsulated within the right to grant tax breaks and specific deductions to their donors. Along with granting gov contracts, nothing brings politicians more power than their ability to tinker with the tax code - they will never willingly give up that power.
Made up performative nonsense, based on lies. So this stupid IRS stunt? In what world does crippling the IRS help with the deficit that these guys are complaining about? It does the OPPOSITE of what they are claiming it does.
Yep. More Trumpism. Where the F was this bill when Trump was in office? If they had done THAT? I'd be their biggest cheerleader. Plus....I need to see the details. I'll look up the bill.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:10 pm Did you see the article I cited and tagged you in last night. Where R's are proposing Flat Tax?
It's fanfreakingtastic for me. And for coastal libs.
If you REALLY believe that, you're not reading half my posts.
or, said another way: R's and D's are alike!MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:23 amR's and D's alike.HooDat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:19 amThe question I have is whether a flat tax that eliminates ALL deductions and loopholes could be set at a level that is lower than your average American's avg tax rate.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:10 amSo...the flat tax concept is good for working class Americans?
How big a rate would it need to be to raise the revenues necessary?
Who would pay the biggest share of their personal incomes?
What would the "unintended consequences" be and how could those be mitigated?
I am on record as favoring a very VERY small transaction tax and eliminating the income tax altogether.
But the bottom line is none of these things are going to happen. The government is not going to give up the power that is encapsulated within the right to grant tax breaks and specific deductions to their donors. Along with granting gov contracts, nothing brings politicians more power than their ability to tinker with the tax code - they will never willingly give up that power.
^^^^^ thisa fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:24 am Are you paying close attention to the health and educational outcomes for working class Republicans, YA? They're falling apart, right before our eyes. They needed help a generation ago, and were given, instead, deregulation for multinational lenders and corporations and tax cuts for the rich.
They're out of time, YA.
So Trumpsim is what....when people say something and do nothing?a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:24 am
Yep. More Trumpism. Where the F was this bill when Trump was in office? If they had done THAT? I'd be their biggest cheerleader. Plus....I need to see the details. I'll look up the bill.
They didn't present it when Trump was in charge, because they don't REALLY want it to pass. Trumpism.
Fair criticism of my posts. I'll look at the bill. Sorry man....my initial reaction is to be annoyed that they didn't floor the bill under Trump, signaling that this isn't serious. Right up there with the tax return that fits on a postcard----remember that one?youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:00 pm So Trumpsim is what....when people say something and do nothing?![]()
I suppose Trump has been around for decades....mmmm okay. And who gives a 8hit, that was 4 years ago, move on my man
. The scoreboard game is played out and get's us no where. You have been a proponent of a flat/consumption tax since I have been on these boards....I'd had expected a much more optimistic reply considering this something you have advocated for over the years.
I completely understand why you pull Trump(ism) out any chance you get, but IMO it minimizes your arguments to a borderline Karen rant.![]()
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Yes! The Dem base isn't the rural working class, or even the working class in general. So it makes sense if they don't focus on their needs. They literally don't represent rural Americans in the House.HooDat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:42 am^^^^^ thisa fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:24 am Are you paying close attention to the health and educational outcomes for working class Republicans, YA? They're falling apart, right before our eyes. They needed help a generation ago, and were given, instead, deregulation for multinational lenders and corporations and tax cuts for the rich.
They're out of time, YA.
same goes for working class dems by the way. Their party pretty ham-fistedly leaned on the scale to make sure that they guy who had their interests at heart (Bernie) was not allowed to get the party nomination.
But at least the post-Clinton era Dems and Cheney faction of the GOP are open about their distaste for working class people. The "radical" republicans are grifters plain and simple.
come on, youth, Trumpism is all about the Big Lie and the Big Grift.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:00 pm Did you see the article I cited and tagged you in last night. Where R's are proposing Flat Tax?So Trumpsim is what....when people say something and do nothing?a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:24 am
Yep. More Trumpism. Where the F was this bill when Trump was in office? If they had done THAT? I'd be their biggest cheerleader. Plus....I need to see the details. I'll look up the bill.
They didn't present it when Trump was in charge, because they don't REALLY want it to pass. Trumpism.![]()
I suppose Trump has been around for decades....mmmm okay. And who gives a 8hit, that was 4 years ago, move on my man
. The scoreboard game is played out and get's us no where. You have been a proponent of a flat/consumption tax since I have been on these boards....I'd had expected a much more optimistic reply considering this something you have advocated for over the years.
I completely understand why you pull Trump(ism) out any chance you get, but IMO it minimizes your arguments to a borderline Karen rant.![]()
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The issue I take with all of what you (and others) say, is that you are already jaded, and it started the moment he came down the escalator in 2015, followed by a short 5 years (in the grand scheme) of politics. He was a bull in a china shop and it is no-friggen-wonder that congress did not want to do anything under his leadership; for that we should probably be thankful b/c we'd be left with Trumpism policy, no? And you guys can't have that, b/c it would then give you another reason to be fussy.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:26 pmcome on, youth, Trumpism is all about the Big Lie and the Big Grift.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:00 pm Did you see the article I cited and tagged you in last night. Where R's are proposing Flat Tax?So Trumpsim is what....when people say something and do nothing?a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:24 am
Yep. More Trumpism. Where the F was this bill when Trump was in office? If they had done THAT? I'd be their biggest cheerleader. Plus....I need to see the details. I'll look up the bill.
They didn't present it when Trump was in charge, because they don't REALLY want it to pass. Trumpism.![]()
I suppose Trump has been around for decades....mmmm okay. And who gives a 8hit, that was 4 years ago, move on my man
. The scoreboard game is played out and get's us no where. You have been a proponent of a flat/consumption tax since I have been on these boards....I'd had expected a much more optimistic reply considering this something you have advocated for over the years.
I completely understand why you pull Trump(ism) out any chance you get, but IMO it minimizes your arguments to a borderline Karen rant.![]()
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Everything is unfair and you should be mad about it and thus vote for our 'team' (cult), so that we can fleece you some more.
Replete with team uniforms and cheers, wrapped in supposed "patriotism", but really ultra-nationalist authoritarianism, so that we can lock in your subservience and obeisance forever.
How does that apply here?
Well, pre-Trump 'cult' labelled themselves "Tea Party" and "Freedom Caucus"; ostensibly concerned about deficits and size of federal government, but really just about power.
But then Trump grabbed the cult and brought in the heavy ultra-nationalist, ethno-nationalist, branding of MAGA, seeking "enemies" in various "Other" groups, racial, religious, ethnic, 'gender' etc...The Tea Party and Freedom Caucus fully embraced the movement and out the window went any of the prior concerns about deficits and size of government. Indeed, spending went through the roof, pre pandemic, and dramatic tax reductions...huge deficit increase, all during a period when the economy was growing at a great, steady pace without the sugar high.
They keep pounding on how unfair the world is for their voters and for America (Europeans don't spend enough on military, who cares about Africa or South America, etc). Thanks to strong arm power tactics, they packed the Court...and got results across the board, both for their real sponsors, corporations and hyper-wealthy, and for their social base...abortion. And then, oh my, they lost...so, the Big Lie.
They vastly underperformed in the mid-term, but did regain some power levers...so, they are going to blast the performance as loudly as they can, amplified by all the right wing media.
So...did they just rediscover fiscal restraint? Did they just remember concern about deficits?
Did they just now realize that corruption should be investigated?
Who is fooled here?