why did limestone's games against Mercyhurst and Seton Hill count toward ranking?
How come the NCAA doesn't provide us with any kind of ranking number? do any of the power rankings have Tampa as high as 4 in the south?
I think the NC games for Hurst and Seton Hill are considered in-region, but Limestone's games are not. So I think Limestone's in-region record should be 12-0...But the data is inconsistent, as Hurst is shown with a non-region loss...
Tampa is 6th in South in masseyratings.com. But I have them 9th. RPI is helping them (3rd in region)...and the fact that two of their losses are out of region...
I am not sure what you mean by a ranking number...
It appears to me that the "NCAA Committee" can't even consistently apply their own metrics to their rankings... I can see if you weight SOS over Win% with Tampa and their strong SOS but a #4? C'mon they lost to pedestrian Lindenwood and Assumption... It seems that they gave more weight to Win% for UIndy or they wouldn't even be on the top 8 list at this point, their SOS is not very good (RPI #12 - that tells most of that story). I am not saying they eventually won't be in that top 6 (they have a lot of tough games to still play) but it is not very strong at this point in the season. So, then you have Catawba and Lynn as "next in" with less than optimal Win% and somewhat OK SOS numbers (better than both Mount Olive and UIndy). Then their is the question of Rockhurst; Win% at .818 better than both Catawba and Lynn and SOS number in the .540 range better than both Mount Olive and UIndy...
I think this committee is sending a message and that is CC, SAC are getting multiple teams in (Wingate remember is out there as well), as well as SSC will have at least one team in and the GLVC may get one if "the committee" feels like it...
Am I wrong? Someone tell me where they have applied their own rules and metrics on this initial South Ranking?
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dodger29 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:24 pm
It appears to me that the "NCAA Committee" can't even consistently apply their own metrics to their rankings... I can see if you weight SOS over Win% with Tampa and their strong SOS but a #4? C'mon they lost to pedestrian Limestone and Assumption... It seems that they gave more weight to Win% for UIndy or they wouldn't even be on the top 8 list at this point, their SOS is not very good (RPI #12 - that tells most of that story). I am not saying they eventually won't be in that top 6 (they have a lot of tough games to still play) but it is not very strong at this point in the season. So, then you have Catawba and Lynn as "next in" with less than optimal Win% and somewhat OK SOS numbers (better than both Mount Olive and UIndy). Then their is the question of Rockhurst; Win% at .818 better than both Catawba and Lynn and SOS number in the .540 range better than both Mount Olive and UIndy...
I think this committee is sending a message and that is CC, SAC are getting multiple teams in (Wingate remember is out there as well), as well as SSC will have at least one team in and the GLVC may get one if "the committee" feels like it...
Am I wrong? Someone tell me where they have applied their own rules and metrics on this initial South Ranking?
Tampa lost to Lindenwood, that was a typo... But, you get my point. Yes their SOS is strong but really how strong of a team is Tampa if they are losing games to Lindenwood and Assumption?
dodger29 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:58 pm
Tampa lost to Lindenwood, that was a typo... But, you get my point. Yes their SOS is strong but really how strong of a team is Tampa if they are losing games to Lindenwood and Assumption?
Out of region, so the "damage" is limited to two criteria (overall W-L and overall SOS). Does not count against them in any of the regional categories...
Lindenwood is in region. Tampa's in region Win% is .769 which is not as good as the #5 and #6 teams or even Rockhurst not listed. Tampa's in region SOS is .604 which is better than all but Belmont Abbey. I assume that is why they are at #4. If you use that as a model of team placement then explain why Mount Olive and UIndy are where they are at as Lynn, Catawba, Rockhurst and Wingate all have stronger in region SOS than both of those squads? Was it win %? It just seems like a little funky math to me...
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Tampa surprises most everyone - but with two of their 5 losses out of region and high SOS and Region SOS and RPI, they are there...
Having said that, any further games they play will be in region, and they still have games to play - including the SSC tourney (two games potentially). If they take a loss they might well drop...