Progressive Ideology

[OCanada]

1. Austerity does not work. You cannot cut your way to prosperity.

2. Automation and AI are going to take a lot of jobs across sectors. Recent economic studies are showing minimum wage increase have at best de minimus effect on employment even in geographic areas where the two exist in close proximity.

3. If your knowledge of based on the Chicago school of 60 years ago you are an anachronism.

4 Alan Greenspan post recession “everything I thought I knew was wrong,”. He was pretty much right. And yet zombie economics that should have died in 2008 but didn’t because entire professional careers have been built in them rather than deductive reasoning

[a fan]

3) Does it do good or just feel good? Minimum wage laws are a prime example. Just walk in to your local Mickey D's and order your Big Mac from a touch screen. Did the touch screen replace another device or did it replace a low skilled worker or maybe a Senior Citizen who needs the job to supplement their retirement income?

A prime example?

How many of my taxpayer dollars flow to the people who work at Mickey D's because they're getting paid so little? And do these workers pay Federal taxes? Nope. Forgot about that part, right? Any of you fake conservatives account for this brilliant math? Nope.

I thought handouts were bad? Why would we intentionally set wages so low that other taxpayers have to subsidize their ability to eat and have a roof?

Because Republicans are idiots. That's why. How's that trickle down tax cut that "paid for themselves" working out?


And nope, Dems are no better. But we're discussing the brilliant Republican plans just now.

[Typical Lax Dad]

1. Austerity does not work. You cannot cut your way to prosperity.

2. Automation and AI are going to take a lot of jobs across sectors. Recent economic studies are showing minimum wage increase have at best de minimus effect on employment even in geographic areas where the two exist in close proximity.

3. If your knowledge of based on the Chicago school of 60 years ago you are an anachronism.

4 Alan Greenspan post recession “everything I thought I knew was wrong,”. He was pretty much right. And yet zombie economics that should have died in 2008 but didn’t because entire professional careers have been built in them rather than deductive reasoning

Speaking of Artificial Intelligence. I watched a documentary on AlphaGo...... it is a BRAVE NEW WORLD...... the chasm between the haves and have nots is about to get wider. Corporations are people...... may become more of a reality than we all realized. I have been saying for the past couple of years that we are a neo-feudal system. That thought is coming into sharper focus...... Just plain old common sense.

This week saw the end of the historic match between Lee Sedol, one of the world's best Go players, and AlphaGo, an artificially intelligent system designed by a team of researchers at DeepMind, a London AI lab now owned by Google. The machine claimed victory in the best-of-five series, winning four games and losing only one. It marked the first time a machine had beaten the very best at this ancient and enormously complex game—a feat that, until recently, experts didn't expect would happen for another ten years.

Keep cheering for these politicians that are owned by the people that pay to keep them in office. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps while we get above market returns...... absolutely brainwashed. Happy to be feeding off of relative table scraps while the others have to scrounge for crumbs. It is not sustainable.

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

i dont know much about this author but some food for thought- https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bret ... et-over-it

"This is an age that judges everybody so harshly through the lens of identity politics that if you resist the threatening groupthink of 'progressive ideology,' which proposes universal inclusivity except for those who dare to ask any questions, you’re somehow f____d," Ellis writes. "Everyone has to be the same, and have the same reactions to any given work of art, or movement or idea, and if you refuse to join the chorus of approval you will be tagged a racist or a misogynist."

For his part, Ellis voted for neither candidate. "I hadn't voted for anyone, not only because I lived in rest-assured California but also because during the campaign I'd realized I wasn't a conservative or a liberal, a Democrat or a Republican, and I didn't buy into what either party was selling. (I'd also thought Bernie Sanders's platform was impractical to the point of absurdity.)"

But Ellis found himself being pilloried merely for failing to be distraught that Trump had won.

One friend told him that the Electoral College — the agreed rules by which Trump won — was "nonsense" and Los Angeles and New York should choose the president. "I don't want any goddam know-nothing rural hicks deciding who the president should be," Ellis quoted him as saying. "I am a proud liberal coastal elite and I think we should pick the president because we know better."

[foreverlax]

3) Does it do good or just feel good? Minimum wage laws are a prime example. Just walk in to your local Mickey D's and order your Big Mac from a touch screen. Did the touch screen replace another device or did it replace a low skilled worker or maybe a Senior Citizen who needs the job to supplement their retirement income?

A prime example?

How many of my taxpayer dollars flow to the people who work at Mickey D's because they're getting paid so little? And do these workers pay Federal taxes? Nope. Forgot about that part, right? Any of you fake conservatives account for this brilliant math? Nope.

I thought handouts were bad? Why would we intentionally set wages so low that other taxpayers have to subsidize their ability to eat and have a roof?

Because Republicans are idiots. That's why. How's that trickle down tax cut that "paid for themselves" working out?


And nope, Dems are no better. But we're discussing the brilliant Republican plans just now.

Corporate welfare is alive and well. Takeaway .gov and see how many workers can afford to do the jobs our kids went to college to avoid having to do.

[OCanada]

A bit more food for thought:

Right wing populism is having a resurgence in Europe but also in the USA. It’s form and content are transnational and represent a coordinated effort. These parties create fear and propose scapegoats accused of threatening or damaging societies. They link a country and citizenship with natavist and frequenting fundamentalist politics. It’s the beast heart of it. While the rhetoric is finding expression real walls are erected to keep the others/not us out. Politics and border politics are merged. It just in the USA but in countries like Hungary, Ukraine, Greece etc. these parties weaponize a variation of a political minority to as scapegoat for problems and therefore a threat of the country. They adopt an “ignorance” of anti intellectualism going back prior to the Enlighenment. That is, before the philosophers that left the fundamental pillars of our Constitution and the development of science

[get it to x]

3) Does it do good or just feel good? Minimum wage laws are a prime example. Just walk in to your local Mickey D's and order your Big Mac from a touch screen. Did the touch screen replace another device or did it replace a low skilled worker or maybe a Senior Citizen who needs the job to supplement their retirement income?

A prime example?

How many of my taxpayer dollars flow to the people who work at Mickey D's because they're getting paid so little? And do these workers pay Federal taxes? Nope. Forgot about that part, right? Any of you fake conservatives account for this brilliant math? Nope.

I thought handouts were bad? Why would we intentionally set wages so low that other taxpayers have to subsidize their ability to eat and have a roof?

Because Republicans are idiots. That's why. How's that trickle down tax cut that "paid for themselves" working out?


And nope, Dems are no better. But we're discussing the brilliant Republican plans just now.

I’m not seeing any progressives calling for elimination of the EITC coupled with raising the Federal Minimum Wage.

[a fan]

No. You're not. You're absolutely right.

But you're not seeing the party that matters on this point-----the Republicans-----offering that either. Last time that Republicans acted like actual conservatives was the welfare reform bill by Gingrich that was signed by Clinton.. And guess what? It worked!

This EXACT tradeoff-----replacing EITC with a far higher national minimum wage---- was mentioned by yours truly years ago on the old Laxpower forum.

That tradeoff is a true conservative position: we want to incentivize hard work, yes? Great. We don't want taxpayer handouts, right? So slowly raise the minimum wage to a point where taxpayer subsidies aren't needed. And then if you want to eat? Great. Pick up a shovel, or get behind a counter. Couple that with a real infrastructure bill, and now you're cooking with oil.


Republican in Congress don't think like this anymore. How do they think? $2Trillion in reckless, pointless, new, non-military spending that floods money to flyover State with no direction or purpose whatsoever. Does that money help? Sure. But only marginally.

[6ftstick]

3) Does it do good or just feel good? Minimum wage laws are a prime example. Just walk in to your local Mickey D's and order your Big Mac from a touch screen. Did the touch screen replace another device or did it replace a low skilled worker or maybe a Senior Citizen who needs the job to supplement their retirement income?

A prime example?

How many of my taxpayer dollars flow to the people who work at Mickey D's because they're getting paid so little? And do these workers pay Federal taxes? Nope. Forgot about that part, right? Any of you fake conservatives account for this brilliant math? Nope.

I thought handouts were bad? Why would we intentionally set wages so low that other taxpayers have to subsidize their ability to eat and have a roof?

Because Republicans are idiots. That's why. How's that trickle down tax cut that "paid for themselves" working out?


And nope, Dems are no better. But we're discussing the brilliant Republican plans just now.

First of all. Jobs at Mikey D's aren't CAREER positions. You're not supposed to be supporting a family of five working there.

Back when things were working the way they Should burger joints were full of high school kids looking to put away money for college and be able to purchase some of the newest clothes and record albums.

If you were too clueless or lazy to take advantage of a FREE Public school education and all you can do is flip burgers that makes republicans idiots?

Thats a kind of logic I just can't understand.

[6ftstick]

Liberals can always connect the dots—no matter how blurry—when it comes to republicans, but never when it involves democrats.

And you would never do that, right?

How's the Federal spending going under Trump, after you complained about it for 8 years under Obama?

Is the government bigger or smaller under Trump? Yep. Much bigger. Do you complain? Nope.

How's the ACA doing for you and your fellow Republicans? Now that it's Trumpcare, all your complaints are gone. Coincidence, I'm sure.

How's Trump's New Socialism treating you? $2 Trillion in new spending on socialism that Obama wasn't spending. Do you care? Nope.


All Trump would have to do is put a little D by his name, and you'd hate him more than Obama.

Kick the jukebox will you. That tunes wearing thin

[6ftstick]

You did not let me down.

Oh please

read this and then tell us infanticide won't be a major part of the democrats 2020 campaign. Wanna bet it won't be?

https://bangordailynews.com/2019/02/12/ ... -abortion/

or this

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -of-death/ No bias in this article.

Of course it'll be disguised but its going to be there.

And tell me again where is the governor of Virginia who described how to murder a baby outside the whom—after keeping it comfortable for awhile of course.

You libs never disappoint either.

I'll send 50 bucks to the moderator. Cause its gonna be there.Probably under some moniker like Women's health blah blah. Since you're so darn sure it won't you should give me odds. Send in 100.

[6ftstick]

You did not let me down.

Oh please

read this and then tell us infanticide won't be a major part of the democrats 2020 campaign. Wanna bet it won't be?

https://bangordailynews.com/2019/02/12/ ... -abortion/

or this

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -of-death/ No bias in this article.

Of course it'll be disguised but its going to be there.

And tell me again where is the governor of Virginia who described how to murder a baby outside the whom—after keeping it comfortable for awhile of course.

You libs never disappoint either.

Thats all you got. LOL

And the governor of Virginia. Hes not a prominent democrat is he? LOL

[foreverlax]

You did not let me down.

Oh please

read this and then tell us infanticide won't be a major part of the democrats 2020 campaign. Wanna bet it won't be?

https://bangordailynews.com/2019/02/12/ ... -abortion/

or this

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -of-death/ No bias in this article.

Of course it'll be disguised but its going to be there.

And tell me again where is the governor of Virginia who described how to murder a baby outside the whom—after keeping it comfortable for awhile of course.

You libs never disappoint either.

Thats all you got. LOL

And the governor of Virginia. Hes not a prominent democrat is he? LOL

Oh no, very prominent....and is still in hiding.

[foreverlax]

You did not let me down.

Oh please

read this and then tell us infanticide won't be a major part of the democrats 2020 campaign. Wanna bet it won't be?

https://bangordailynews.com/2019/02/12/ ... -abortion/

or this

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -of-death/ No bias in this article.

Of course it'll be disguised but its going to be there.

And tell me again where is the governor of Virginia who described how to murder a baby outside the whom—after keeping it comfortable for awhile of course.

You libs never disappoint either.

I'll send 50 bucks to the moderator. Cause its gonna be there.Probably under some moniker like Women's health blah blah. Since you're so darn sure it won't you should give me odds. Send in 100.

No odds on this one.....if the word infanticide is part of the plank, you win. IF not, I win.

"blah blah blah" is too nebulous to wager on.

[6ftstick]

Now the liberal progressives are trying to erase not just Americas past excellence but all Western civilization. Creepy stuff on the left and it just gets worse.

But for some people in France, Notre Dame has also served as a deep-seated symbol of resentment, a monument to a deeply flawed institution and an idealized Christian European France that arguably never existed in the first place.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... xt-822743/

[a fan]

Kick the jukebox will you. That tunes wearing thin

Not my fault you never bother defending why you're super cool with that list, just because Trump signed off on the spending.

At some point, you have to explain why it's ok.

[runrussellrun]

1. Austerity does not work. You cannot cut your way to prosperity.

2. Automation and AI are going to take a lot of jobs across sectors. Recent economic studies are showing minimum wage increase have at best de minimus effect on employment even in geographic areas where the two exist in close proximity.

3. If your knowledge of based on the Chicago school of 60 years ago you are an anachronism.

4 Alan Greenspan post recession “everything I thought I knew was wrong,”. He was pretty much right. And yet zombie economics that should have died in 2008 but didn’t because entire professional careers have been built in them rather than deductive reasoning

Speaking of Artificial Intelligence. I watched a documentary on AlphaGo...... it is a BRAVE NEW WORLD...... the chasm between the haves and have nots is about to get wider. Corporations are people...... may become more of a reality than we all realized. I have been saying for the past couple of years that we are a neo-feudal system. That thought is coming into sharper focus...... Just plain old common sense.

This week saw the end of the historic match between Lee Sedol, one of the world's best Go players, and AlphaGo, an artificially intelligent system designed by a team of researchers at DeepMind, a London AI lab now owned by Google. The machine claimed victory in the best-of-five series, winning four games and losing only one. It marked the first time a machine had beaten the very best at this ancient and enormously complex game—a feat that, until recently, experts didn't expect would happen for another ten years.

Keep cheering for these politicians that are owned by the people that pay to keep them in office. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps while we get above market returns...... absolutely brainwashed. Happy to be feeding off of relative table scraps while the others have to scrounge for crumbs. It is not sustainable.

Corporations are people. Corporations are people. This reminded me of how laughable the TAATS are. Not one of the losers on the Senate judicial committee asked keg and off anything about corporations been people in overturning a certain piece of legislation. Oh wait no not a law away the supreme court ruled what was what. But we don’t know because Camilla Harrison Bucher didn’t ask one freaking question About campaign contributions etc. etc. etc. and corporations been people. What was the name of the case again

[a fan]

Now the liberal progressives are trying to erase not just Americas past excellence but all Western civilization. Creepy stuff on the left and it just gets worse

Because conservative Americans would never try and wipe out Western history or culture, right?

(take your time, you'll pick up what I'm putting down )

[a fan]

First of all. Jobs at Mikey D's aren't CAREER positions. You're not supposed to be supporting a family of five working there.

Actually, that's the literal intent of the minimum wage. Always has been.

If you were too clueless or lazy to take advantage of a FREE Public school education and all you can do is flip burgers that makes republicans idiots?

First of all, not all public educations are equal. Frankly, I have no clue how the ACLU hasn't sued to make all educational spending come at the State level so that rich and poor neighborhoods get the same stuff.

No. It makes Republicans idiots to think that it makes more sense to let employers pay diddly, forcing taxpayers to make up the difference.

Why would we do that?

If what you're saying is: cut the aid. Fine. Good luck rural America. Nice knowin' ya.

They'll all flock to cities---which is exactly what they are doing---and when they do that, guess what?

They become liberals.

[HooDat]

First of all. Jobs at Mikey D's aren't CAREER positions. You're not supposed to be supporting a family of five working there.

Actually, that's the literal intent of the minimum wage. Always has been.

If you were too clueless or lazy to take advantage of a FREE Public school education and all you can do is flip burgers that makes republicans idiots?

First of all, not all public educations are equal. Frankly, I have no clue how the ACLU hasn't sued to make all educational spending come at the State level so that rich and poor neighborhoods get the same stuff.

No. It makes Republicans idiots to think that it makes more sense to let employers pay diddly, forcing taxpayers to make up the difference.

Why would we do that?

If what you're saying is: cut the aid. Fine. Good luck rural America. Nice knowin' ya.

They'll all flock to cities---which is exactly what they are doing---and when they do that, guess what?

They become liberals.

afan you are on a roll!

Of course people should be able to work at hourly minimum wage jobs and put a roof over their head and food on their plates! It doesn't have to be a fancy one, but the only jobs that shouldn't provide that dignity are the ones that teenagers used to do to gain work experience.

This dovetails perfectly with why we need to stop illegal immigration and fix legal immigration! Another poster said we need the workers - of course we do! What WE don't need is workers that get paid way below minimum wage under the table and under the swinging blade of potential deportation. I have already said who "needs" that - same folks that "need a low minimum wage - CEO's of public corporations and other globalist greedheads.