4/17/2019 Regional Rankings

[RedFromMI]

Some surprises (Tampa?????)

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Rank	North Region	In-Region Record	Overall Record

1	Merrimack		10-1		10-1
2	Le Moyne		11-2		11-2
3	Adelphi			10-1		12-1
4	Seton Hill		 8-2		 9-3
5	Mercyhurst	 	 9-2		 9-3
6	Mercy			13-1		13-1
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7	LIU Post		10-2		10-2
8	Bentley			 8-2		 8-2

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Rank	South Region	In-Region Record	Overall Record
1	Limestone		14-0		14-0
2	Belmont Abbey		12-2		12-2
3	Queens (NC)		10-2		11-2
4	Tampa			10-3		11-5
5	Mount Olive		11-2		11-2
6	UIndy			 9-1		11-1
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7	Catawba			 8-4		 9-4
8	Lynn			 8-3		10-3

BTW, I got 3/4 in each region using KRACH...

[bmorelax]

top six get in this year in each division

First Round

1 and 2 will have a bye

6 at 3
5 at 4

should be an interesting next 2 1/2 weeks...
Selection Sunday is May 5th

[RedFromMI]

Fixed it...

[topcat430]

Good Luck to all the teams!

[Laxwarrior]

red,

why did limestone's games against Mercyhurst and Seton Hill count toward ranking?

How come the NCAA doesn't provide us with any kind of ranking number? do any of the power rankings have Tampa as high as 4 in the south?

[RedFromMI]

Data from the accompanying PDFs (just the eight teams listed in the released rankings shown here, all teams in region shown in the original):

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North Region
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School			Reg W/L		Ovr W/L		Ovr SOS	Abv.500		Reg SOS	Reg RPI/RPI Rank
1. Merrimack		10-1(.909)	10-1(.909)	.514	3-1(.750)	.523	.620 (#3)		
2. Le Moyne		11-2(.846)	11-1(.846)	.593	6-2(.750)	.598	.660 (#1)		
3. Adelphi		10-1(.909)	10-1(.909)	.539	5-1(.833)	.514	.613 (#5)		
4. Seton Hill		 8-2(.800)	 9-3(.750)	.572	4-3(.571)	.556	.617 (#4)		
5. Mercyhurst		 9-2(.818)	 9-3(.750)	.580	3-3(.500)	.565	.628 (#2)		
6. Mercy		13-1(.929)	13-1(.929)	.449	3-1(.750)	.459	.577 (#8)		
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7. LIU Post		10-2(.833)	10-2(.833)	.506	2-2(.500)	.519	.598 (#7)		
8. Bentley		 8-2(.800)	 8-2(.800)	.531	2-2(.500)	.538	.604 (#6)		

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South Region
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School			Reg W/L		Ovr W/L		Ovr SOS	Abv.500		Reg SOS	Reg RPI/RPI Rank
1. Limestone		14-0 (1.00)	14-0 (1.00)	.577	7-0 (1.00)	.575	.681 (#1)
2. Belmont Abbey	12-2 (.857)	12-2 (.857)	.617	7-2 (.778)	.615	.675 (#2)
3. Queens (NC)		10-2 (.833)	11-2 (.833)	.567	3-2 (.600)	.570	.636 (#4)
4. Tampa		10-3 (.769)	11-5 (.688)	.601	6-5 (.545)	.604	.645 (#3)
5. Mount Olive		11-2 (.846)	11-2 (.846)	.526	4-2 (.667)	.525	.605 (#8)
6. UIndy		 9-1 (.900)	11-1 (.917)	.517	4-1 (.800)	.472	.579 (#12)
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7. Catawba	 	 8-4 (.667)	 9-4 (.667)	.592	4-3 (.571)	.595	.613 (#5)
8. Lynn			 8-3 (.727)	10-3 (.769)	.543	3-3 (.500)	.573	.612 (#6)

[Laxwarrior]

why does RPI rank have Tampa at 3 and they are #4 in actual?

[RedFromMI]

red,

why did limestone's games against Mercyhurst and Seton Hill count toward ranking?

How come the NCAA doesn't provide us with any kind of ranking number? do any of the power rankings have Tampa as high as 4 in the south?

I think the NC games for Hurst and Seton Hill are considered in-region, but Limestone's games are not. So I think Limestone's in-region record should be 12-0...But the data is inconsistent, as Hurst is shown with a non-region loss...

Tampa is 6th in South in masseyratings.com. But I have them 9th. RPI is helping them (3rd in region)...and the fact that two of their losses are out of region...

I am not sure what you mean by a ranking number...

[RedFromMI]

why does RPI rank have Tampa at 3 and they are #4 in actual?

Their RPI is #3 in the South region...(considering only in-region contests)...

[RedFromMI]

Good Luck to all the teams!

Not the final say yet, of course...

Let's see what happens with some important games left...

[dodger29]

It appears to me that the "NCAA Committee" can't even consistently apply their own metrics to their rankings... I can see if you weight SOS over Win% with Tampa and their strong SOS but a #4? C'mon they lost to pedestrian Lindenwood and Assumption... It seems that they gave more weight to Win% for UIndy or they wouldn't even be on the top 8 list at this point, their SOS is not very good (RPI #12 - that tells most of that story). I am not saying they eventually won't be in that top 6 (they have a lot of tough games to still play) but it is not very strong at this point in the season. So, then you have Catawba and Lynn as "next in" with less than optimal Win% and somewhat OK SOS numbers (better than both Mount Olive and UIndy). Then their is the question of Rockhurst; Win% at .818 better than both Catawba and Lynn and SOS number in the .540 range better than both Mount Olive and UIndy...

I think this committee is sending a message and that is CC, SAC are getting multiple teams in (Wingate remember is out there as well), as well as SSC will have at least one team in and the GLVC may get one if "the committee" feels like it...

Am I wrong? Someone tell me where they have applied their own rules and metrics on this initial South Ranking?

[topcat430]

Good Luck to all the teams!

Not the final say yet, of course...

Let's see what happens with some important games left...

no doubt. just a good opener in so far as regional rankings for those teams.

[Greyhounds]

Also have doubts about the “NCAA Committee”

It appears to me that the "NCAA Committee" can't even consistently apply their own metrics to their rankings... I can see if you weight SOS over Win% with Tampa and their strong SOS but a #4? C'mon they lost to pedestrian Limestone and Assumption... It seems that they gave more weight to Win% for UIndy or they wouldn't even be on the top 8 list at this point, their SOS is not very good (RPI #12 - that tells most of that story). I am not saying they eventually won't be in that top 6 (they have a lot of tough games to still play) but it is not very strong at this point in the season. So, then you have Catawba and Lynn as "next in" with less than optimal Win% and somewhat OK SOS numbers (better than both Mount Olive and UIndy). Then their is the question of Rockhurst; Win% at .818 better than both Catawba and Lynn and SOS number in the .540 range better than both Mount Olive and UIndy...

I think this committee is sending a message and that is CC, SAC are getting multiple teams in (Wingate remember is out there as well), as well as SSC will have at least one team in and the GLVC may get one if "the committee" feels like it...

Am I wrong? Someone tell me where they have applied their own rules and metrics on this initial South Ranking?

[RedFromMI]

I don't think you mean that Tampa lost to Stone, as they have not played...

[dodger29]

Tampa lost to Lindenwood, that was a typo... But, you get my point. Yes their SOS is strong but really how strong of a team is Tampa if they are losing games to Lindenwood and Assumption?

[RedFromMI]

Tampa lost to Lindenwood, that was a typo... But, you get my point. Yes their SOS is strong but really how strong of a team is Tampa if they are losing games to Lindenwood and Assumption?

Out of region, so the "damage" is limited to two criteria (overall W-L and overall SOS). Does not count against them in any of the regional categories...

[dodger29]

Lindenwood is in region. Tampa's in region Win% is .769 which is not as good as the #5 and #6 teams or even Rockhurst not listed. Tampa's in region SOS is .604 which is better than all but Belmont Abbey. I assume that is why they are at #4. If you use that as a model of team placement then explain why Mount Olive and UIndy are where they are at as Lynn, Catawba, Rockhurst and Wingate all have stronger in region SOS than both of those squads? Was it win %? It just seems like a little funky math to me...

[Pitt12]

Some surprises (Tampa?????)

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Rank	North Region	In-Region Record	Overall Record

1	Merrimack		10-1		10-1
2	Le Moyne		11-2		11-2
3	Adelphi			10-1		12-1
4	Seton Hill		 8-2		 9-3
5	Mercyhurst	 	 9-2		 9-3
6	Mercy			13-1		13-1
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7	LIU Post		10-2		10-2
8	Bentley			 8-2		 8-2

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Rank	South Region	In-Region Record	Overall Record
1	Limestone		14-0		14-0
2	Belmont Abbey		12-2		12-2
3	Queens (NC)		10-2		11-2
4	Tampa			10-3		11-5
5	Mount Olive		11-2		11-2
6	UIndy			 9-1		11-1
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7	Catawba			 8-4		 9-4
8	Lynn			 8-3		10-3

BTW, I got 3/4 in each region using KRACH...

Jeez Tampa at 4???

[RedFromMI]

Tampa surprises most everyone - but with two of their 5 losses out of region and high SOS and Region SOS and RPI, they are there...

Having said that, any further games they play will be in region, and they still have games to play - including the SSC tourney (two games potentially). If they take a loss they might well drop...

[Hounds_dad]

If Seton Hill and Hurst count as in region for Limestone why don’t they count for UIndy?