No chance that DOJ proceeds on this case with just the speech text as evidence. They need to prove INTENT beyond a reasonable doubt - a very high threshold. They will never go to insurrection. Best shot is likely obstruction of a federal proceeding. This will depend on how many and which folks can be flipped to incriminate Orange Cheato. Witnesses confirming that they saw Meadows routinely burn documents in his office fireplace is significant for him.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:52 amAgreed. This is a political matter, and that's the part that stinks.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:22 amThat is certainly true, and should be.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:13 pmThe threshold for criminalizing speech is a high hurdle to clear.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:48 pmI have read the complete transcript of trumps speech to the crowd. I'm not sure how you arrive at giving aid and comfort. That may be how you feel and I understand how you got there. Trying to prove it in court is why MG will have to approach any trump prosecution very carefully. What appears obvious to you has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to 12 jurors. That is not going to be a cakewalk by any means. If trump is acquitted of whatever charges he may face that will be a crushing defeat to MGs DOJ.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:39 amno, aid and give comfort are not "issued an order"....cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:38 amI agree that it is a very complicated case. My understanding is that most serious and most difficult charges to prove come from the claim that trump issued an order to assault the capital. That is where I believe MG has a lot of landmines to tip toe over to prove that to a jury. It is possible that any trial involving trump will not just be one charge. It could be 4 or 5 charges going to court at once.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:15 am "As far as the dumpster and the Jan 6 criminal referral to the DOJ.. it is going to boil down to a very simple interpretation of the 1st amendment."
I think this is actually a pretty complicated issue. And I think the completely frivolous and unlawful "fake electors" scheme is potentially more potent and easier to navigate.
Don't listen to whoever you heard that they need to prove he gave an "order".
But yes, IMO too, pretty reasonable to expect there will be multiple violations of law charged.
Jan 6 Committee recommended 4 such.
The body that is SUPPOSED to take this trash out is the Republican party, as they did with Nixon, where they said enough is enough. They failed to do that, so here we are.
FYI, Nixon tried to take his papers out of the WH and the truck was stopped by Ford Administration. Tricky Dick claimed the materials were HIS (sound familiar?).
Legislation was then introduced and passed that governs Presidential Records to this day. The records belong to the GOVERNMENT not to any individual.
Great piece by Yale prof Timothy Snyder on January 6 entitled "The Facts of January 6
https://snyder.substack.com/p/january-6 ... paign=post