Inside Lacrosse Top 50

[EECLax]

Here we go, as a long time onlooker of this mediocre page (yes it's like a car crash hard to look away), I have seen how you all have attempted to take down CN (b/c she is selfish?, my god how is she any different than a men's player but I digress). And now you all attempt to do this this MJ (a once in a generational talent, who will be remembered as the best draw player in the game) by insinuating she quit on the MD game (granted it is well known among the lacrosse world she had Covid before), is beyond saddening for the women's sport. It's obvious the user that attempted to take down MJ has a clear motive (yes VPNs are real).

Hey, lighten up Francis....Not all of us have denigrated CN. And, since you bring up MJ, not all of us called her a quitter. In fact, many commented in a similar vein as you. I personally think she should have stayed as a FOGO, as that is where she excels (GOAT?), but that is just one redheaded Rasta man's opinion.

I apologize for the blanket statement, I guess the loud minority was overwhelming. I disagree she should stay as a FOGO, but that's your opinion and are obviously entitled to it.

[njbill]

Yeah, it was only one poster (mom) who claimed Jenner “quit.” Another poster initially “agreed 100%” but he rewatched the game and backtracked on that opinion. A third poster was asked for his opinion, but he declined to respond. Everyone else who took a position disagreed with mom’s statement.

[Sunnylax]

Again, in MHO the top 50 players in the college game should be reserved for the very, very best players. Draw specialists, who have marginal skills beyond the draw itself should not occupy a precious spot in the top 10. There are players ranked on this list in the teens and 20s who have blazing speed, can dodge, can feed, can score and can re-defend far, far better than M Jenner. Many should be ranked higher.

IL got it wrong.

Watch the games closely and you will see her quit in both the Maryland and ACC Notre Dame games on the circle when these critical games were on the line not when out of hand in the second half. One cannot simply look at the stats sheet.

Just because I played in college in the wooden crosse era (ha ha) doesn’t mean I don’t see what my eyes see on the field.

Happy holidays!

Are you guys referencing momlax24X7, who had a series of notable posts earlier this month?

When did the women stop playing with wooden sticks? 1984 first plastic head for women
If I'm not mistaken, it was much later than the men.

I seem to recall well into the '90's, whereas the guys had pretty much all transitioned by about 1975.
Seems to me that would definitely put one who "played in college in the wooden crosse era" as potentially having a daughter now in college...

[Dr. Tact]

I disagree she should stay as a FOGO, but that's your opinion and are obviously entitled to it.

Yeah, I think I am in the minority on her play...From my own eyes, I see a dominating Draw Specialist...I don't see a dominating Attacker. I appreciate that we may disagree and that you might have some closer interactions that inform your opinion and may hold more weight than mine.

[DMac]

Again, in MHO the top 50 players in the college game should be reserved for the very, very best players. Draw specialists, who have marginal skills beyond the draw itself should not occupy a precious spot in the top 10. There are players ranked on this list in the teens and 20s who have blazing speed, can dodge, can feed, can score and can re-defend far, far better than M Jenner. Many should be ranked higher.

IL got it wrong.

Watch the games closely and you will see her quit in both the Maryland and ACC Notre Dame games on the circle when these critical games were on the line not when out of hand in the second half. One cannot simply look at the stats sheet.

Just because I played in college in the wooden crosse era (ha ha) doesn’t mean I don’t see what my eyes see on the field.

Happy holidays!

Are you guys referencing momlax24X7, who had a series of notable posts earlier this month?

When did the women stop playing with wooden sticks? 1984 first plastic head for women
If I'm not mistaken, it was much later than the men.

I seem to recall well into the '90's, whereas the guys had pretty much all transitioned by about 1975.
Seems to me that would definitely put one who "played in college in the wooden crosse era" as potentially having a daughter now in college...

Wow, didn't realize there was such a difference there, women are just a little slow to catch on, I guess (easy, folks, just kidding there). My last year of HS lacrosse was '69, there was no such thing as Tupperware sticks back then. Went in the service, stayed in for eight years, got out and played lacrosse. No one was using a wooden stick anymore, so you're probably right with about '75. I went out the first couple of days with my wooden stick, didn't take long to realize you better switch to Tupperware....there's a big difference there. I figured momlax24x7 for much older than she might well be, so my bad there, EEC.

[wlaxphan20]

Again, in MHO the top 50 players in the college game should be reserved for the very, very best players. Draw specialists, who have marginal skills beyond the draw itself should not occupy a precious spot in the top 10. There are players ranked on this list in the teens and 20s who have blazing speed, can dodge, can feed, can score and can re-defend far, far better than M Jenner. Many should be ranked higher.

IL got it wrong.

Watch the games closely and you will see her quit in both the Maryland and ACC Notre Dame games on the circle when these critical games were on the line not when out of hand in the second half. One cannot simply look at the stats sheet.

Just because I played in college in the wooden crosse era (ha ha) doesn’t mean I don’t see what my eyes see on the field.

Happy holidays!

Are you guys referencing momlax24X7, who had a series of notable posts earlier this month?

When did the women stop playing with wooden sticks?
If I'm not mistaken, it was much later than the men.

I seem to recall well into the '90's, whereas the guys had pretty much all transitioned by about 1975.
Seems to me that would definitely put one who "played in college in the wooden crosse era" as potentially having a daughter now in college...

Title IX had only just passed in ‘72, so I think that timeline tracks as far as advancements in stick technology

[MDlaxfan76]

Again, in MHO the top 50 players in the college game should be reserved for the very, very best players. Draw specialists, who have marginal skills beyond the draw itself should not occupy a precious spot in the top 10. There are players ranked on this list in the teens and 20s who have blazing speed, can dodge, can feed, can score and can re-defend far, far better than M Jenner. Many should be ranked higher.

IL got it wrong.

Watch the games closely and you will see her quit in both the Maryland and ACC Notre Dame games on the circle when these critical games were on the line not when out of hand in the second half. One cannot simply look at the stats sheet.

Just because I played in college in the wooden crosse era (ha ha) doesn’t mean I don’t see what my eyes see on the field.

Happy holidays!

Are you guys referencing momlax24X7, who had a series of notable posts earlier this month?

When did the women stop playing with wooden sticks? 1984 first plastic head for women
If I'm not mistaken, it was much later than the men.

I seem to recall well into the '90's, whereas the guys had pretty much all transitioned by about 1975.
Seems to me that would definitely put one who "played in college in the wooden crosse era" as potentially having a daughter now in college...

Wow, didn't realize there was such a difference there, women are just a little slow to catch on, I guess (easy, folks, just kidding there). My last year of HS lacrosse was '69, there was no such thing as Tupperware sticks back then. Went in the service, stayed in for eight years, got out and played lacrosse. No one was using a wooden stick anymore, so you're probably right with about '75. I went out the first couple of days with my wooden stick, didn't take long to realize you better switch to Tupperware....there's a big difference there. I figured momlax24x7 for much older than she might well be, so my bad there, EEC.

Thanks Sunnylax.

It was not only the lack of a stick offering by the manufacturers, it persisted as a resistance to the change. Many, indeed most, women players eschewed the plastic heads at first...I don't think a majority of college players were using plastic heads until well into the '90's. The transition by the men was swifter, likely (IMO) because the availability of faster and more reliable pocket was so attractive versus having to fiddle with cat gut. One could pick up another stick and use it quickly with much less adaptation, whereas the wooden sticks were so finicky on pockets. Women had little to no pocket, so the advantage, at least at first, was not as pronounced.

[Sunnylax]

Again, in MHO the top 50 players in the college game should be reserved for the very, very best players. Draw specialists, who have marginal skills beyond the draw itself should not occupy a precious spot in the top 10. There are players ranked on this list in the teens and 20s who have blazing speed, can dodge, can feed, can score and can re-defend far, far better than M Jenner. Many should be ranked higher.

IL got it wrong.

Watch the games closely and you will see her quit in both the Maryland and ACC Notre Dame games on the circle when these critical games were on the line not when out of hand in the second half. One cannot simply look at the stats sheet.

Just because I played in college in the wooden crosse era (ha ha) doesn’t mean I don’t see what my eyes see on the field.

Happy holidays!

Are you guys referencing momlax24X7, who had a series of notable posts earlier this month?

When did the women stop playing with wooden sticks? 1984 first plastic head for women
If I'm not mistaken, it was much later than the men.

I seem to recall well into the '90's, whereas the guys had pretty much all transitioned by about 1975.
Seems to me that would definitely put one who "played in college in the wooden crosse era" as potentially having a daughter now in college...

Wow, didn't realize there was such a difference there, women are just a little slow to catch on, I guess (easy, folks, just kidding there). My last year of HS lacrosse was '69, there was no such thing as Tupperware sticks back then. Went in the service, stayed in for eight years, got out and played lacrosse. No one was using a wooden stick anymore, so you're probably right with about '75. I went out the first couple of days with my wooden stick, didn't take long to realize you better switch to Tupperware....there's a big difference there. I figured momlax24x7 for much older than she might well be, so my bad there, EEC.

Oops, I lost track of when I started in HS . Plastic heads for women 1980!

[Sunnylax]

Again, in MHO the top 50 players in the college game should be reserved for the very, very best players. Draw specialists, who have marginal skills beyond the draw itself should not occupy a precious spot in the top 10. There are players ranked on this list in the teens and 20s who have blazing speed, can dodge, can feed, can score and can re-defend far, far better than M Jenner. Many should be ranked higher.

IL got it wrong.

Watch the games closely and you will see her quit in both the Maryland and ACC Notre Dame games on the circle when these critical games were on the line not when out of hand in the second half. One cannot simply look at the stats sheet.

Just because I played in college in the wooden crosse era (ha ha) doesn’t mean I don’t see what my eyes see on the field.

Happy holidays!

Are you guys referencing momlax24X7, who had a series of notable posts earlier this month?

When did the women stop playing with wooden sticks? 1984 first plastic head for women
If I'm not mistaken, it was much later than the men.

I seem to recall well into the '90's, whereas the guys had pretty much all transitioned by about 1975.
Seems to me that would definitely put one who "played in college in the wooden crosse era" as potentially having a daughter now in college...

Wow, didn't realize there was such a difference there, women are just a little slow to catch on, I guess (easy, folks, just kidding there). My last year of HS lacrosse was '69, there was no such thing as Tupperware sticks back then. Went in the service, stayed in for eight years, got out and played lacrosse. No one was using a wooden stick anymore, so you're probably right with about '75. I went out the first couple of days with my wooden stick, didn't take long to realize you better switch to Tupperware....there's a big difference there. I figured momlax24x7 for much older than she might well be, so my bad there, EEC.

Oops, I lost track of when I started in HS . Plastic heads for women 1980!

When I entered college, many women played with plastic heads but shocking to me, a few hung on to their wooden beasts. By my senior year, it was rare to see a wooden stick. When I coached HS, I didn't let my players use wooden sticks. It was much challenging to switch hands using the wooden and that is what I expected my players to do.

[MDlaxfan76]

Again, in MHO the top 50 players in the college game should be reserved for the very, very best players. Draw specialists, who have marginal skills beyond the draw itself should not occupy a precious spot in the top 10. There are players ranked on this list in the teens and 20s who have blazing speed, can dodge, can feed, can score and can re-defend far, far better than M Jenner. Many should be ranked higher.

IL got it wrong.

Watch the games closely and you will see her quit in both the Maryland and ACC Notre Dame games on the circle when these critical games were on the line not when out of hand in the second half. One cannot simply look at the stats sheet.

Just because I played in college in the wooden crosse era (ha ha) doesn’t mean I don’t see what my eyes see on the field.

Happy holidays!

Are you guys referencing momlax24X7, who had a series of notable posts earlier this month?

When did the women stop playing with wooden sticks? 1984 first plastic head for women
If I'm not mistaken, it was much later than the men.

I seem to recall well into the '90's, whereas the guys had pretty much all transitioned by about 1975.
Seems to me that would definitely put one who "played in college in the wooden crosse era" as potentially having a daughter now in college...

Wow, didn't realize there was such a difference there, women are just a little slow to catch on, I guess (easy, folks, just kidding there). My last year of HS lacrosse was '69, there was no such thing as Tupperware sticks back then. Went in the service, stayed in for eight years, got out and played lacrosse. No one was using a wooden stick anymore, so you're probably right with about '75. I went out the first couple of days with my wooden stick, didn't take long to realize you better switch to Tupperware....there's a big difference there. I figured momlax24x7 for much older than she might well be, so my bad there, EEC.

Oops, I lost track of when I started in HS . Plastic heads for women 1980!

When I entered college, many women played with plastic heads but shocking to me, a few hung on to their wooden beasts. By my senior year, it was rare to see a wooden stick. When I coached HS, I didn't let my players use wooden sticks. It was much challenging to switch hands using the wooden and that is what I expected my players to do.

So, by 1988 plastic heads were predominant?

I took a look back at some pictures from the late '80's and into 90's and I was seeing a mix.

Here's some video from the 1990 Championship game. I see both, though it's grainy...looks like most are plastic, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftL2tU9BmAA

I recall an acquaintance who left Bain to buy the primary manufacturer of wooden lax sticks and field hockey sticks and questioning him as to why he thought there would be a continuing market, given technology advances...he thought there was still some legs on wood, but it was mostly for the brand...but I don't recall the brand for sure! Anyone else? Perhaps CranBarry?

The men had transitioned pretty much entirely in the early '70's. My last wooden stick was in 1970, 6th grade midgets...there were still a few playing with wooden the next couple of years, but that changed swiftly.

[DMac]

Uh oh, I'm gonna have to take that my bad back, EEC, Sunnylax was giving us some bum dope. momlax could well have been playing in the 70s which likely takes her out of the picture of having a daughter currently playing college lax. Hopefully you all recognize that I'm just having a little fun here and don't really care.
Was a good decision to make your girls play with the new sticks, Sunnylax. While there's a big difference in mlax and wlax in what you can do with your stick both offensively and defensively, the weight of that stick comes into play in a big way. I worked by myself with my wooden stick for about three years (there was no one around to play with), just me, a wall, and my German Shepherd (best partner you could ever ask for, try beating one of them). Everyone else was using the Tupperware sticks when I walked back onto the field and had a huge advantage, you can just be much quicker with them both offensively and defensively. As noted earlier by day two or so I had a new plastic stick, the thing felt illegal to me but it was indeed nice.

[DMac]

I recall an acquaintance who left Bain to buy the primary manufacturer of wooden lax sticks and field hockey sticks and questioning him as to why he thought there would be a continuing market, given technology advances...he thought there was still some legs on wood, but it was mostly for the brand...but I don't recall the brand for sure! Anyone else? Perhaps CranBarry?

Cornelius was one brand, you can see that in the '90 Cuse poster below (a little remembrance of Flight 103 going on there too). There were others, of course but I can't remember the brand names. The Mohawks were making them (still are) and of course Alfie Jacques' father was too (and we all know Alfie still is).

[MDlaxfan76]

Uh oh, I'm gonna have to take that my bad back, EEC, Sunnylax was giving us some bum dope. momlax could well have been playing in the 70s which likely takes her out of the picture of having a daughter currently playing college lax. Hopefully you all recognize that I'm just having a little fun here and don't really care.
Was a good decision to make your girls play with the new sticks, Sunnylax. While there's a big difference in mlax and wlax in what you can do with your stick both offensively and defensively, the weight of that stick comes into play in a big way. I worked by myself with my wooden stick for about three years (there was no one around to play with), just me, a wall, and my German Shepherd (best partner you could ever ask for, try beating one of them). Everyone else was using the Tupperware sticks when I walked back onto the field and had a huge advantage, you can just be much quicker with them both offensively and defensively. As noted earlier by day two or so I had a new plastic stick, the thing felt illegal to me but it was indeed nice.

But if in the '80's like Sunnylax, easily could have a daughter still playing at college level.

[hmmm]

Uh oh, I'm gonna have to take that my bad back, EEC, Sunnylax was giving us some bum dope. momlax could well have been playing in the 70s which likely takes her out of the picture of having a daughter currently playing college lax. Hopefully you all recognize that I'm just having a little fun here and don't really care.
Was a good decision to make your girls play with the new sticks, Sunnylax. While there's a big difference in mlax and wlax in what you can do with your stick both offensively and defensively, the weight of that stick comes into play in a big way. I worked by myself with my wooden stick for about three years (there was no one around to play with), just me, a wall, and my German Shepherd (best partner you could ever ask for, try beating one of them). Everyone else was using the Tupperware sticks when I walked back onto the field and had a huge advantage, you can just be much quicker with them both offensively and defensively. As noted earlier by day two or so I had a new plastic stick, the thing felt illegal to me but it was indeed nice.

But if in the '80's like Sunnylax, easily could have a daughter still playing at college level.

I graduated from HS in 1992 and my female counterparts will still mostly using wooden sticks. There were also still natural boundaries, etc. I have a daughter playing in college so it is completely possible that momlax does as well.

[MDlaxfan76]

Uh oh, I'm gonna have to take that my bad back, EEC, Sunnylax was giving us some bum dope. momlax could well have been playing in the 70s which likely takes her out of the picture of having a daughter currently playing college lax. Hopefully you all recognize that I'm just having a little fun here and don't really care.
Was a good decision to make your girls play with the new sticks, Sunnylax. While there's a big difference in mlax and wlax in what you can do with your stick both offensively and defensively, the weight of that stick comes into play in a big way. I worked by myself with my wooden stick for about three years (there was no one around to play with), just me, a wall, and my German Shepherd (best partner you could ever ask for, try beating one of them). Everyone else was using the Tupperware sticks when I walked back onto the field and had a huge advantage, you can just be much quicker with them both offensively and defensively. As noted earlier by day two or so I had a new plastic stick, the thing felt illegal to me but it was indeed nice.

But if in the '80's like Sunnylax, easily could have a daughter still playing at college level.

I graduated from HS in 1992 and my female counterparts will still mostly using wooden sticks. There were also still natural boundaries, etc. I have a daughter playing in college so it is completely possible that momlax does as well.

My nieces were born in '90 and '94 respectively.
When they first started playing in rec league, I recall wooden sticks initially (my sister was old school having played on a terrific DIII team in college in the early '80's), but I recall that changing as they came up. Certainly by middle school they were using plastic, probably well before then. Not sure when the transition happened in field hockey, but that made a lot of sense too.

The no lines as boundaries was a crazy rule, remember it well.

[DMac]

Well, maybe momlax will chime in and clear it up for us. Again, when she said wooden sticks I was thinking the wlaxers must have gone to Tupperware about the same time the mlaxers did. I was thinking she must've played way back in the days of yore, late 60s, early 70s. Was/am figuring she wasn't/isn't so far off from my age and my youngest is probably older than some of you folks so I couldn't see her having a daughter playing in college today.
Come on and clear this stuff up for us momla24x7, fer chrissakes.

[GratefulRed]

In the late 80s when I was learning the game on the men's side, I don't remember any all wood sticks but there were still a few guys who held on to their wood shafts. Let's just say I don't think most were doing it for improved feel and skill. There were exceptions, but in my experience it tended to be a certain profile of player who preferred the properties of wood for more nefarious reasons. I wonder if the same could be said for the transition from all wood sticks in the women's game. Though a different game re: checking, did women defenders (or ground ball, draw specialists, etc) prefer the stiffness of the wood stick, therefore being more hesitant to transition?

momlax? anyone?

[hmmm]

In the late 80s when I was learning the game on the men's side, I don't remember any all wood sticks but there were still a few guys who held on to their wood shafts. Let's just say I don't think most were doing it for improved feel and skill. There were exceptions, but in my experience it tended to be a certain profile of player who preferred the properties of wood for more nefarious reasons. I wonder if the same could be said for the transition from all wood sticks in the women's game. Though a different game re: checking, did women defenders (or ground ball, draw specialists, etc) prefer the stiffness of the wood stick, therefore being more hesitant to transition?

momlax? anyone?

You may be correct. As a defender, I know my daughter prefers to use alloy shafts instead of the lighter composite shafts. Partly because she kept breaking the composite shafts on people's hips but also because the alloys are more painful when an offensive player is cross-checked(legally of course).

[cltlax]

As recently as a couple years ago, the St Stephens/St Agnes girls coach required her players to only use wooden sticks until their Junior year. My daughter played in a club tournament against a team that had a SSSA player who was using a wooden stick.

[Sunnylax]

In the late 80s when I was learning the game on the men's side, I don't remember any all wood sticks but there were still a few guys who held on to their wood shafts. Let's just say I don't think most were doing it for improved feel and skill. There were exceptions, but in my experience it tended to be a certain profile of player who preferred the properties of wood for more nefarious reasons. I wonder if the same could be said for the transition from all wood sticks in the women's game. Though a different game re: checking, did women defenders (or ground ball, draw specialists, etc) prefer the stiffness of the wood stick, therefore being more hesitant to transition?

momlax? anyone?

the thickness of the wood head made it virtually impossible to gather a ground ball easily. While I am a for the most part right hand dominant, I initially picked up a stick with my left hand. The wood stick is made for righties IMO, so I thought playing lacrosse seemed silly. (8th grader) then in 9th, plastic heads were available and I was hooked. Found it easy to switch hands and during HS, I used a heavy wood shaft. I did prefer the feel to aluminum and I liked the weight of it. With virtually no pocket, playing with a heavier stick than today's stick really didn't matter in terms of shooting because of the particular way that your stick needed to be held so the ball didn't fall out.