Progressive Ideology

[foreverlax]

It's hard to stay civil when someone posts such tripe. But this sort of mindless, ignorant trope is what's to be expected from someone that fully supports the useless sack of humanity that is our current DOPUS, speaking of a "total lack of policy".

Meanwhile, back in civil society, Mayor Pete displays tendencies towards Storytelling First. Policy Details Later.

Before Trumpists get a clue, their man may well be swamped by the simmering dislike most Americans feel for him and his "style".

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Democrats VOTED for those things and have voiced those exact sentiments. Once again RUN ON THOSE.

baloney.

I'd say that you (6ft) know it's baloney, but maybe you really don't?

I don't understand why folks feel the need to grossly exaggerate the most extreme to the general.

I'm sure that goes both ways, but I see much more of this in the current era coming from the hard right, which has rallied to support Trump, than I do from the left. Not that it's nonexistent for the left to exaggerate about the right, but the degree of downright hate and exaggeration of the Dems is off the charts.

To Mayor Pete and this whole MAGA stuff, I tend to agree that the way many Trumpists view MAGA is incredibly ignorant of the reality of history. Sure, there are absolutely wonderful aspects of America's journey, much to celebrate and be 'proud of' as an American. Principles and values that are very important to protect and continue. Indeed, worthy of dying for, if necessary.

But what is 'great' about America is not its past.
It is not 'again,' as if it is not 'great' today.

Indeed, there's much about America's history that is certainly not 'great', particularly from the point of view of lots and lots of Americans. Our country has made all sorts of mistakes. It is, and has been, far from perfect.

And that's ok. The struggle is for a 'more perfect union'.
That struggle is what makes America "great".
Not a return to some former era.

You are paying attention aren't you.

Democrat led State legislators are voting to allow abortion up to and including after birth. They actually cheer when they do so.

Democrats in the US House of representatives refused to vote to protect the BORN child.

The democrat governor of Virginia was quickly swept under the rug for voicing his version of infanticide. (He's being protected by the MSM)

All the democrat front runners for 2020 are giving away free healthcare and free education and free (insert your pet project here)

Mayor Pete just said in his presidential announcement that America was NEVER great. As did Beto and AOC et al.No splitting hairs about what was admirable and what was not. Just Never great. H*ll we have liberal posters on this forum who in their own arrogance denegrate the countries founders.

The dem front runner Bernie Sanders maligns capitalism while earning millions and owning three homes. (Isn't that two to many for a socialist)

Can you deny democrats are for Open borders? Sanctuary cities—heard of those? NY state just allocated 27 MILLION tuition assistance for illegal immigrants.

And Don't forget congressional democrats non-vote on antisemitism.

ALL facts. Not baloney.

Was that actually supposed to be responsive to what I wrote?
Yup, you really don't understand. Or don't want to.

Please. My original post listed planks in the dem platform for 2020. You said baloney

So I relisted them. I think sir YOU don't understand.

Feel free to post a link...if you can find one.

[Brooklyn]

Even Cher now gets it, yes...friggen Cher. Are you pro-progressives gonna let share sound smarter than some of you?

@cher
Apr 14
I Understand Helping struggling Immigrants,but MY CITY (Los Angeles) ISNT TAKING CARE OF ITS OWN.WHAT ABOUT THE 50,000+Citizens WHO LIVE ON THE STREETS.PPL WHO LIVE BELOW POVERTY LINE,& HUNGRY? If My State Can’t Take Care of Its Own(Many Are VETS) How Can it Take Care Of More

When you think about it, her words sound more like an indictment of Bush's war with Trump's continuation of it as vets remain homeless while the wars continue to increase profits for the rich.

[Brooklyn]

Presidential candidate Andrew Yang advocates universal basic income






A great many on the far right call this Marxism. But as those of you who have read my past posts know, it was first suggested by Founding Father Thomas Paine in his Agrarian Justice [1795] decades before Marx was born. Thus, it is not Marxism but Americanism.

[HooDat]

It is in everyone’s best interest to find a way to deal with illegal immigrants in a fair and just way. Reagan did it with pardons in I think 1984.

The damage to the economy of exporting that many would be staggering. So too would jailing people that hired them.

The fact is the USA needs immigrants and the overwhelming majority will be productive. So too do many countries in Europe and they know it. For that matter so does Trump. He has hired them fur decades.

There is some point between zero and open borders that is optimal. There was a deal on immigration reached in the Congress that was scuttled by the freedom caucus et al.

If economic self interest is going to rank lower than tribalism on the scale of what matters the long range growth prospects and economic well being of the country will suffer. There has already been measurable damage.

Let's be honest with ourselves - the only people who's best interests are served by illegal immigration are those of corporate farmers and people who want to underpay people to mow their lawns and clean their toilets. It is barely in the best interests of the immigrants themselves and that is simply proof of how completely screwed their lives were in whatever country they are coming from.

Only the folks who want to USE these immigrants and take advantage of their illegal status benefit. We need a system that lets them in in a controlled fashion.

The VAST majority of conservatives I talk to on the point of illegal immigration have no interest in keeping people out, they want them to enter this country under some form of process.The left tries to paint anyone who wants any level of control over the process as heartless xenophobes who hate anyone with pigment in their skin and that simply is not the case. The people I have talked to that are the most vehemently against open borders tend toward those of color (widely defined).

I personally think the people who are risking everything to sneak into our country are heroic on a certain level. They are risking their lives and taking a huge potential economic step backward to create an opportunity for themselves and more importantly their children. The funny thing is, if the GOP didn't have its head buried up it lily-white ass, these people would be rank and file republicans - family, church, community, entrepreneurship - they are big believers. But they get shunned by the country club folks clutching their pearls. What may be worse is their being used and lied to by the dems.....

[OCanada]

Immigration has several facets. It impacts the people seeking to immigrate. It affects the citizens of the country receiving them. It effects the people left behind.

Most economic models I have read use income as the reason for immigration. Do fur example the heaviest flow of immigrants would be from low income countries to high income countries. There is the reverse eg Americans moving to Mexico or Honduras. There is immigration from high income states to high income states.

What isn’t that I have seen is people leaving not primarily for economic reasons but from fear for their own safety and the safety of their family.

Immigration did not work out well for the indigenous population in the new world.

One of the fears of the current indigenous population is absorption into the existing culture. But one of the reasons that absorption rates are not as fast as they might be is the nature of the welcome the indigenous population offers. For example the more hostile the reception the slower the absorption rate will be. So I’m the one hand the complaint they don’t absorb and in the other hand they are unrelentingly hostile towards them. Punter productive.

The USA, like many countries eg Italy, Germany etc as a demographic problem which can only be solved by immiagration. Our death rate is going up and our birth rate is going down.

Immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do T least fit the pay being offered. But when immigrants aren’t available jobs arent filled by indigenous people.

Instead jobs went infilled and production was down resulting in less supply for the same demand.

There was an immigration on the table in various firms. The right wing killed them all.

There needs to be a reliable process. The administration does not want one based on past actions

[Typical Lax Dad]

It is in everyone’s best interest to find a way to deal with illegal immigrants in a fair and just way. Reagan did it with pardons in I think 1984.

The damage to the economy of exporting that many would be staggering. So too would jailing people that hired them.

The fact is the USA needs immigrants and the overwhelming majority will be productive. So too do many countries in Europe and they know it. For that matter so does Trump. He has hired them fur decades.

There is some point between zero and open borders that is optimal. There was a deal on immigration reached in the Congress that was scuttled by the freedom caucus et al.

If economic self interest is going to rank lower than tribalism on the scale of what matters the long range growth prospects and economic well being of the country will suffer. There has already been measurable damage.

Let's be honest with ourselves - the only people who's best interests are served by illegal immigration are those of corporate farmers and people who want to underpay people to mow their lawns and clean their toilets. It is barely in the best interests of the immigrants themselves and that is simply proof of how completely screwed their lives were in whatever country they are coming from.

Only the folks who want to USE these immigrants and take advantage of their illegal status benefit. We need a system that lets them in in a controlled fashion.

The VAST majority of conservatives I talk to on the point of illegal immigration have no interest in keeping people out, they want them to enter this country under some form of process.The left tries to paint anyone who wants any level of control over the process as heartless xenophobes who hate anyone with pigment in their skin and that simply is not the case. The people I have talked to that are the most vehemently against open borders tend toward those of color (widely defined).

I personally think the people who are risking everything to sneak into our country are heroic on a certain level. They are risking their lives and taking a huge potential economic step backward to create an opportunity for themselves and more importantly their children. The funny thing is, if the GOP didn't have its head buried up it lily-white ass, these people would be rank and file republicans - family, church, community, entrepreneurship - they are big believers. But they get shunned by the country club folks clutching their pearls. What may be worse is their being used and lied to by the dems.....

Brain wiped: https://amp.businessinsider.com/immigra ... ked-2018-8

[6ftstick]

[/quote]

Feel free to post a link...if you can find one.
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Ah now I see how I made a mistake.

I used the democrats actual words and actions to suggest the things they now believe WOULD BE planks in the 2020 platform.

But liberals can only take leaps of logic about things like "Russian collusion" and 'Obstruction of Justice" when there are no facts to support those leaps.

Liberals can always connect the dots—no matter how blurry—when it comes to republicans, but never when it involves democrats.

[OCanada]

Link?

[get it to x]

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... erals.html

It's all about the consequences of policies. Before implementing their policies, all politicians should ask themselves these questions:

1) Am I willing to live with the consequences of the legislation? Congress often exempts themselves from their own legislation, like when their staffers complained they could never afford the ACA on their salaries and were given an exemption.

2) Does my legislation lift people up or just bring others down? The "tax the rich" meme is built on envy, not hope. More jobs and wage growth through economic prosperity allows more people to succeed, and isn't limited by a finite resource like rich people's bank accounts.

3) Does it do good or just feel good? Minimum wage laws are a prime example. Just walk in to your local Mickey D's and order your Big Mac from a touch screen. Did the touch screen replace another device or did it replace a low skilled worker or maybe a Senior Citizen who needs the job to supplement their retirement income?

[youthathletics]

It is in everyone’s best interest to find a way to deal with illegal immigrants in a fair and just way. Reagan did it with pardons in I think 1984.

The damage to the economy of exporting that many would be staggering. So too would jailing people that hired them.

The fact is the USA needs immigrants and the overwhelming majority will be productive. So too do many countries in Europe and they know it. For that matter so does Trump. He has hired them fur decades.

There is some point between zero and open borders that is optimal. There was a deal on immigration reached in the Congress that was scuttled by the freedom caucus et al.

If economic self interest is going to rank lower than tribalism on the scale of what matters the long range growth prospects and economic well being of the country will suffer. There has already been measurable damage.

Let's be honest with ourselves - the only people who's best interests are served by illegal immigration are those of corporate farmers and people who want to underpay people to mow their lawns and clean their toilets. It is barely in the best interests of the immigrants themselves and that is simply proof of how completely screwed their lives were in whatever country they are coming from.

Only the folks who want to USE these immigrants and take advantage of their illegal status benefit. We need a system that lets them in in a controlled fashion.

The VAST majority of conservatives I talk to on the point of illegal immigration have no interest in keeping people out, they want them to enter this country under some form of process.The left tries to paint anyone who wants any level of control over the process as heartless xenophobes who hate anyone with pigment in their skin and that simply is not the case. The people I have talked to that are the most vehemently against open borders tend toward those of color (widely defined).

I personally think the people who are risking everything to sneak into our country are heroic on a certain level. They are risking their lives and taking a huge potential economic step backward to create an opportunity for themselves and more importantly their children. The funny thing is, if the GOP didn't have its head buried up it lily-white ass, these people would be rank and file republicans - family, church, community, entrepreneurship - they are big believers. But they get shunned by the country club folks clutching their pearls. What may be worse is their being used and lied to by the dems.....

Our population is declining each year, on some level we need them....to a certain degree. Maybe the dirty little secret is they have us watching their right with border patrol chaos etc, and the left hand is saying bring em in we need them.... the end game is to fill the vacuum?

[OCanada]

The end game is to prevent the issue from being settled and keep it as raw meat for the base by taking actions that exacerbate the situation rather than ameliorate it. At some point there will be pressure to resolve the various strands. I trust it will be prior to increased adversely impacting the economic well being of the country which has already begun.

[6ftstick]

Link?

TO WHAT?

If you're unaware of the democrat vote, programs and pronouncements I've mentioned than theres nothing to discuss.

look em up they're there

[OCanada]

You did not let me down.

[foreverlax]

Boeing stock is rising again (great buy opportunity)

Based on what?

As of today, BA has real risk if it closes below 364, with the major support line at 320. Upside buy should come when a new double top closes at 392...here is where I would consider a partial position.

While in this range, I would be inclined to wait until a more stable bottom has been put it or a clear breakout to the upside.

BA gave a buy signal when it broke out above 388....stock rose to 396.

BA now down to 377, putting in a reversal from the buy signal...if BA closes below 364, it will be taking out a triple bottom support.

BA has tested 364 three times, so there is solid support at that price. The last reversal from 396 to 364 (triple bottom) BA now sits at 381.72, with pre-market trades at 384.65. Earning on 4/24.

This upside move has overhead resistance at 396....for now, it looks like a 30 point range.

[foreverlax]

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... erals.html

It's all about the consequences of policies. Before implementing their policies, all politicians should ask themselves these questions:

1) Am I willing to live with the consequences of the legislation? Congress often exempts themselves from their own legislation, like when their staffers complained they could never afford the ACA on their salaries and were given an exemption.

2) Does my legislation lift people up or just bring others down? The "tax the rich" meme is built on envy, not hope. More jobs and wage growth through economic prosperity allows more people to succeed, and isn't limited by a finite resource like rich people's bank accounts.

3) Does it do good or just feel good? Minimum wage laws are a prime example. Just walk in to your local Mickey D's and order your Big Mac from a touch screen. Did the touch screen replace another device or did it replace a low skilled worker or maybe a Senior Citizen who needs the job to supplement their retirement income?

#1 - this is THE issue that really pisses me off. They literally have no oversight....fox and the hen house has proven to not work.

#2 - this is a direct result of #1....everything has to do with re-election on the money required.

#3. Listening to C-span on the way in. Former Lt Gov of MD, Kathleen Kennedy Townsend is working on a plan to help the 50% of Americans who have saved nothing for retirement.

Her proposal - for those workers that don't have a company sponsored retirement plan, they can particpate in state run government mandated plan, where the employee and employer both put in 1.5% of comp.

Depending on the income level of the employee, the 1.5% could be fully rebated. Boss gets a deduction. When the emplyoee retires they will get a pension. What could go wrong?

Can't find what this will cost....

[OCanada]

Daniel Patrick Moynihan proposed a universal income of I think 8,000. It would be in lieu of certain welfare programs like unemployment etc. I don’t recall al the details now but the net cost would be to greatly reduce the cost of providing the benefits. The indirect costs and overhead eg bureaucracy would virtually disappear. On a net cost basis it was a winner. Howevah the right wing called it socialism and the, generally left wing professionals and those employed in providing those services hated the idea. Things that benefit everyone tend to get labeled socialism and when entire sectors of jobs might disappear those employed there are going to resi

AI and automation are going to increasingly replace people employed in repetitive jobs. For example if you are an accountant involved with closing monthly books you have a short shelf life.

Certifications are going to replace degrees in many places. There are certifications now that will fetch -(9k with no degree required. Finance is going to witness a large transformation. A company that might have needed say 10,000 FTEs are going to be replacing some of those FTEs with automation and are already doing the calculus. Automation doesn’t require a salary, vacation, sick leave etc

[6ftstick]

You did not let me down.

Oh please

read this and then tell us infanticide won't be a major part of the democrats 2020 campaign.

https://bangordailynews.com/2019/02/12/ ... -abortion/

or this

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -of-death/

Of course it'll be disguised but its going to be there.

And tell me again where is the governor of Virginia who described how to murder a baby outside the whom—after keeping it comfortable for awhile of course.

You libs never disappoint either.

[foreverlax]

You did not let me down.

Oh please

read this and then tell us infanticide won't be a major part of the democrats 2020 campaign. Wanna bet it won't be?

https://bangordailynews.com/2019/02/12/ ... -abortion/

or this

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -of-death/ No bias in this article.

Of course it'll be disguised but its going to be there.

And tell me again where is the governor of Virginia who described how to murder a baby outside the whom—after keeping it comfortable for awhile of course.

You libs never disappoint either.

[a fan]

Liberals can always connect the dots—no matter how blurry—when it comes to republicans, but never when it involves democrats.

And you would never do that, right?

How's the Federal spending going under Trump, after you complained about it for 8 years under Obama?

Is the government bigger or smaller under Trump? Yep. Much bigger. Do you complain? Nope.

How's the ACA doing for you and your fellow Republicans? Now that it's Trumpcare, all your complaints are gone. Coincidence, I'm sure.

How's Trump's New Socialism treating you? $2 Trillion in new spending on socialism that Obama wasn't spending. Do you care? Nope.


All Trump would have to do is put a little D by his name, and you'd hate him more than Obama.

[a fan]

1) Am I willing to live with the consequences of the legislation? Congress often exempts themselves from their own legislation, like when their staffers complained they could never afford the ACA on their salaries and were given an exemption.

This makes zero sense. Congress if filled with millionaires. Can you think of any laws that they could pass that they themselves could live with, but the average American can't? I sure can.

2) Does my legislation lift people up or just bring others down? The "tax the rich" meme is built on envy, not hope. More jobs and wage growth through economic prosperity allows more people to succeed, and isn't limited by a finite resource like rich people's bank accounts.

Tax the rich is built on the fact that both corporations and the 1% are paying about half of what they did under Reagan. Some of us can add and subtract. Some can't. And those that can't are not only formulating tax policy, they're the voters that cheer this idiocy on. Hope you don't need roads or medicare in ten years when the Trump tax cuts start to come home to roost.

3) Does it do good or just feel good? Minimum wage laws are a prime example. Just walk in to your local Mickey D's and order your Big Mac from a touch screen. Did the touch screen replace another device or did it replace a low skilled worker or maybe a Senior Citizen who needs the job to supplement their retirement income?

You mean like the Tax Cuts? Let me ask you: if cutting taxes like this make sense, why have taxes at all? Taxes are punishing people, right? So why not get rid of them altogether?

This article shows how far the American Right is living in complete denial as to what they've done to the average American in the last 30 years.

Question: how the "forgotten Trump voter" doing? Has anyone asked? Has Trump or the R's established one single program that helps them?