At least you recognize it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:11 pmDidn't BHO also go through his own personal "cocaine phase" ? Or was he just tinkering with a little nose candy back there in law school?dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:36 pm Let's not get into Shrub's "military experience" too awful far. We filled up LP threads arguing about this years ago...the ANG "service" Shrub didn't want to talk much about was reportedly in his cocaine phase and involved a very likely episode of going AWOL...a story that was attacked unceasingly as unfair and inaccurate by the very same folks who felt it was just fine to SwiftBoat attack John Kerry's war record...a tale full of hypocrisy and obfuscation that also included the de-frocking of then CBS anchor Dan Rather.
Mayor Pete FAR outshines Shrub, the (now second-) worst GOP president in history when it comes to military service...after Commander Bone Spurs.
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..the ANG "service" Shrub didn't want to talk much about was reportedly in his cocaine phase. What the heck is your point Bart? Your lame ass on your very best day never gave you the smarts to be a fighter pilot. What the heck were you doing when GWB was flying supersonic jet fighters? Playing with your dingus back in college and playing really tough games of scrabble? Probably doing both at the same time. You are certainly multi talented sir.
There I go being hostile again... Sorry MD
How about just making your points without the hostility?
I'll speak for myself on service, as I did not serve.
I grew up assuming I would be going to Vietnam, would certainly not have avoided it, and that view became stronger even as it became clear how awful the situation was and even when it became clear that the brass were lying about body counts (which was disgraceful). But I felt it would be my duty, in a time of war, to enlist, regardless of draft #.
But the war ended, then the draft ended, and in my 18th year there wasn't even a # issued for our age.
I went to college, married, then to work then to B-school, with none of those years with any call from our country for more service members. Had there been, no question.
It made me furious when veterans were ill-treated by their fellow Americans. Even now, my eyes tear up when I think about or watch a movie or documentary about the sacrifices our military people made during that era (and in other eras in which they put themselves in harm's way). But to be disrespected by their fellow Americans, disgraceful. Not that I don't understand the political opposition to the war, (heck many servicemen agreed!), but the disrespect for the individuals who served was an enormous mistake IMO.
I think it's pretty well established that W found a convenient way to avoid the war. But better path than Clinton. And enormously better than Trump's dishonorable path.
On Kerry, I'm not so sure the Swift Boat controversy was ever anything more than a hoax. I don't know for sure one way or the other. But I would suggest that anyone on here who thinks they actually know what happened better have actually been first hand witnesses themselves.
Here's where I come down, if you claimed 'bone spurs' to avoid service and refuse to produce a shred of basis for that claim, you're darn low in my book. And if your critique of a bona fide hero is to say 'I like people who weren't caught' or any other such dismissiveness of such trauma and sacrifice...then we know you have the lowest of low characters.