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old salt wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:00 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/news/mat ... ia-debate/

Matt Taibbi, Douglas Murray Dominate Trust-in-Media Debate
By ARI BLAFF, December 1, 2022
:lol: This is great. The message they are sending is: don't trust the "MSM"....while at the same time, naturally, you can, of course, trust Murray and Taibbi to call balls and strikes fairly.

Neat.

Additionally.........Taibbi is a globally known writer. But (snicker) he's not the mainstream media. It's the "other guy" you can't trust.

ProTip----get your info. from an array of sources. And once again, the idea that American media wasn't biased since the day they got a hold of TV's, radios, and printing presses is the single dumbest meme of the 21st century.

:lol: Sure. Bias was "invented" in the last 20 years. One things for sure, the news didn't do things like write whatever those in power told them, without bothering to check to see if a single word of it was true. :roll:
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a fan wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:32 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:00 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/news/mat ... ia-debate/

Matt Taibbi, Douglas Murray Dominate Trust-in-Media Debate
By ARI BLAFF, December 1, 2022
:lol: This is great. The message they are sending is: don't trust the "MSM"....while at the same time, naturally, you can, of course, trust Murray and Taibbi to call balls and strikes fairly.

Neat.

Additionally.........Taibbi is a globally known writer. But (snicker) he's not the mainstream media. It's the "other guy" you can't trust.

ProTip----get your info. from an array of sources. And once again, the idea that American media wasn't biased since the day they got a hold of TV's, radios, and printing presses is the single dumbest meme of the 21st century.

:lol: Sure. Bias was "invented" in the last 20 years. One things for sure, the news didn't do things like write whatever those in power told them, without bothering to check to see if a single word of it was true. :roll:
Taibbi can't take it any more. He even bailed on Rolling Stone.
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old salt wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:40 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:32 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:00 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/news/mat ... ia-debate/

Matt Taibbi, Douglas Murray Dominate Trust-in-Media Debate
By ARI BLAFF, December 1, 2022
:lol: This is great. The message they are sending is: don't trust the "MSM"....while at the same time, naturally, you can, of course, trust Murray and Taibbi to call balls and strikes fairly.

Neat.

Additionally.........Taibbi is a globally known writer. But (snicker) he's not the mainstream media. It's the "other guy" you can't trust.

ProTip----get your info. from an array of sources. And once again, the idea that American media wasn't biased since the day they got a hold of TV's, radios, and printing presses is the single dumbest meme of the 21st century.

:lol: Sure. Bias was "invented" in the last 20 years. One things for sure, the news didn't do things like write whatever those in power told them, without bothering to check to see if a single word of it was true. :roll:
Taibbi can't take it any more. He even bailed on Rolling Stone.
So.......I'm supposed to trust him to give us the unbiased truth? He just told us not to do that.
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a fan wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:46 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:40 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:32 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:00 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/news/mat ... ia-debate/

Matt Taibbi, Douglas Murray Dominate Trust-in-Media Debate
By ARI BLAFF, December 1, 2022
:lol: This is great. The message they are sending is: don't trust the "MSM"....while at the same time, naturally, you can, of course, trust Murray and Taibbi to call balls and strikes fairly.

Neat.

Additionally.........Taibbi is a globally known writer. But (snicker) he's not the mainstream media. It's the "other guy" you can't trust.

ProTip----get your info. from an array of sources. And once again, the idea that American media wasn't biased since the day they got a hold of TV's, radios, and printing presses is the single dumbest meme of the 21st century.

:lol: Sure. Bias was "invented" in the last 20 years. One things for sure, the news didn't do things like write whatever those in power told them, without bothering to check to see if a single word of it was true. :roll:
Taibbi can't take it any more. He even bailed on Rolling Stone.
So.......I'm supposed to trust him to give us the unbiased truth? He just told us not to do that.
He burned his MSM Press Pass, ...& his bridges back.
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a fan wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:32 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:00 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/news/mat ... ia-debate/

Matt Taibbi, Douglas Murray Dominate Trust-in-Media Debate
By ARI BLAFF, December 1, 2022
:lol: This is great. The message they are sending is: don't trust the "MSM"....while at the same time, naturally, you can, of course, trust Murray and Taibbi to call balls and strikes fairly.

Neat.

Additionally.........Taibbi is a globally known writer. But (snicker) he's not the mainstream media. It's the "other guy" you can't trust.

ProTip----get your info. from an array of sources. And once again, the idea that American media wasn't biased since the day they got a hold of TV's, radios, and printing presses is the single dumbest meme of the 21st century.

:lol: Sure. Bias was "invented" in the last 20 years. One things for sure, the news didn't do things like write whatever those in power told them, without bothering to check to see if a single word of it was true. :roll:
I think the word you are looking for is “anachronistic” (or regressive)
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:41 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:07 pm Longtime NBC reporter and newscaster Miguel Almaguere remains suspended for "not meeting NBC standards" on the initial Paul Pelosi story.

But no news on what standards were broken, what was erroneous about the report, or who wrote/approved the script in the first place.

Here is the report in question:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-news- ... one-damage
Who cares.
Yup, no media introspection.

NBC made the story, reporter and any talk of it disappear ... for our own good.

Glad you're doing your part.
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For those who are interested in the hubub and different details that were initially being reported out of the Paul Pelosi incident:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-bay-a ... day-report
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kramerica.inc wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:06 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:41 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:07 pm Longtime NBC reporter and newscaster Miguel Almaguere remains suspended for "not meeting NBC standards" on the initial Paul Pelosi story.

But no news on what standards were broken, what was erroneous about the report, or who wrote/approved the script in the first place.

Here is the report in question:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-news- ... one-damage
Who cares.
Yup, no media introspection.

NBC made the story, reporter and any talk of it disappear ... for our own good.

Glad you're doing your part.
I’ll let you do it. Paul Pelosi was having sex with the guy.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:35 am I’ll let you do it. Paul Pelosi was having sex with the guy.
Nov 30: Paul Pelosi attack: Federal prosecutors have "substantial new evidence" against DePape

New evidence must be the motive - lovers' quarrel text messages.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:40 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:35 am I’ll let you do it. Paul Pelosi was having sex with the guy.
Nov 30: Paul Pelosi attack: Federal prosecutors have "substantial new evidence" against DePape

New evidence must be the motive - lovers' quarrel text messages.
Paul was stepping out on Nancy. The fired reporter knew it and MSM wanted to silence him. Whenever someone from MSM is fired, it’s because liberals want to keep a story covered up.
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a fan wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:21 pm
DMac wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:56 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:25 pm Take a few minutes and listen to Nobel Prize winner Maria Ressa about free speech, social media and the rise of authoritarian government using free speech to stifle free speech. Goebbels type stuff.

Outstanding!!
We have only one tool in the drawer....the DoJ starts behaving like it did in the Ma Bell days, and starts pulling monopolies apart. They're in EVERY industry.

What would that do to Facebook? It would give us different editors/owners.

Naturally, getting rid of monopolies will NEVER happen in America. They're the one's putting these wankers in Federal office.
please, please, please. We need another Teddy Roosevelt. We won't get one, but boy do I want one.

Unfortunately we are going the other direction - the monopolies aren't just regional or national, they are becoming global.

Where we don't have monopoly we have oligopoly with conformity bordering on collusion.

I am old enough to remember when you held your breath when going for Hart-Scott approvals on M&A deals. There was a very real risk that you would get turned down. Deals that were nail biters as late as the early 90's wouldn't even get reviewed today. .... all part of how Bill Clinton made the Dems the party of Wall Street!
STILL somewhere back in the day....

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HooDat wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:40 pm please, please, please. We need another Teddy Roosevelt. We won't get one, but boy do I want one.

Unfortunately we are going the other direction - the monopolies aren't just regional or national, they are becoming global.

Where we don't have monopoly we have oligopoly with conformity bordering on collusion.

I am old enough to remember when you held your breath when going for Hart-Scott approvals on M&A deals. There was a very real risk that you would get turned down. Deals that were nail biters as late as the early 90's wouldn't even get reviewed today. .... all part of how Bill Clinton made the Dems the party of Wall Street!
Interesting you should mention T.R. A veritable very noisy Bull Moose in a China shop as far as the Republican Party was concerned vis-à-vis his penchant for progressivism and self-importance in a political party controlled by the big banks and corporations looking to keep low profiles but to basically cook the books to their own advantage. The party bosses really needed to find a place where T.R. could not do those interests any real damage and found the perfect position - Vice President on the ticket with their boy McKinley at the top of the ticket in 1900 (McKinley's running mate in 1896 Garrett Hobart expired a year before the 1900 election). Well, after the election, old McKinley took a trip to Buffalo NY in 1901 to visit the Pan-American Exposition and an anarchist named Leon Czolgosz shot him while shaking hands in a reception line. McKinley died 8 days later and Teddy went from very irrelevant to very important overnight.
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HooDat wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:40 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:21 pm
DMac wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:56 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:25 pm Take a few minutes and listen to Nobel Prize winner Maria Ressa about free speech, social media and the rise of authoritarian government using free speech to stifle free speech. Goebbels type stuff.

Outstanding!!
We have only one tool in the drawer....the DoJ starts behaving like it did in the Ma Bell days, and starts pulling monopolies apart. They're in EVERY industry.

What would that do to Facebook? It would give us different editors/owners.

Naturally, getting rid of monopolies will NEVER happen in America. They're the one's putting these wankers in Federal office.
please, please, please. We need another Teddy Roosevelt. We won't get one, but boy do I want one.

Unfortunately we are going the other direction - the monopolies aren't just regional or national, they are becoming global.

Where we don't have monopoly we have oligopoly with conformity bordering on collusion.

I am old enough to remember when you held your breath when going for Hart-Scott approvals on M&A deals. There was a very real risk that you would get turned down. Deals that were nail biters as late as the early 90's wouldn't even get reviewed today. .... all part of how Bill Clinton made the Dems the party of Wall Street!
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kramerica.inc wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:06 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:41 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:07 pm Longtime NBC reporter and newscaster Miguel Almaguere remains suspended for "not meeting NBC standards" on the initial Paul Pelosi story.

But no news on what standards were broken, what was erroneous about the report, or who wrote/approved the script in the first place.

Here is the report in question:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-news- ... one-damage
Who cares.
Yup, no media introspection.

NBC made the story, reporter and any talk of it disappear ... for our own good.

Glad you're doing your part.
Ever see "the Insider" with Robert DeNiro and Russell Crow?

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. This is nothing new. The ONLY difference in 2022 is that Right Wing America is FINALLY paying attention.

The libs have been trying to tell you about this stuff since (at the very least) the 60's, Kram. What's upsetting the right is that THEIR TEAM were the ones running the media all these many decades, pulling the strings....and now "someone else" owns media assets.
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Kismet wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:36 pm
HooDat wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:40 pm please, please, please. We need another Teddy Roosevelt. We won't get one, but boy do I want one.

Unfortunately we are going the other direction - the monopolies aren't just regional or national, they are becoming global.

Where we don't have monopoly we have oligopoly with conformity bordering on collusion.

I am old enough to remember when you held your breath when going for Hart-Scott approvals on M&A deals. There was a very real risk that you would get turned down. Deals that were nail biters as late as the early 90's wouldn't even get reviewed today. .... all part of how Bill Clinton made the Dems the party of Wall Street!
Interesting you should mention T.R. A veritable very noisy Bull Moose in a China shop as far as the Republican Party was concerned vis-à-vis his penchant for progressivism and self-importance in a political party controlled by the big banks and corporations looking to keep low profiles but to basically cook the books to their own advantage. The party bosses really needed to find a place where T.R. could not do those interests any real damage and found the perfect position - Vice President on the ticket with their boy McKinley at the top of the ticket in 1900 (McKinley's running mate in 1896 Garrett Hobart expired a year before the 1900 election). Well, after the election, old McKinley took a trip to Buffalo NY in 1901 to visit the Pan-American Exposition and an anarchist named Leon Czolgosz shot him while shaking hands in a reception line. McKinley died 8 days later and Teddy went from very irrelevant to very important overnight.
TR is unequivocally my favorite president. His history is fascinating - from "sickly" son of (what I think must have been) a "mommy dearest" mother to the head of the Rough Riders and symbol of American Masculinity. Old family trust funder champion of the "regular man".
STILL somewhere back in the day....

...and waiting/hoping for a tinfoil hat emoji......
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Breaking Down the Market for Misinformation

Gonzalo Cisternas and Jorge Vásquez


The spread of misinformation online has been recognized as a growing social problem. In responding to the issue, social media platforms have (i) promoted the services of third-party fact-checkers; (ii) removed producers of misinformation and downgraded false content; and (iii) provided contextual information for flagged content, empowering users to determine the veracity of information for themselves. In a recent staff report, we develop a flexible model of misinformation to assess the efficacy of these types of interventions. Our analysis focuses on how well these measures incentivize users to verify the information they encounter online.

A “Supply and Demand” Framework

Our model features two types of actors: users that view news and producers that generate news. Users benefit from sharing true information but suffer losses from sharing misinformation; this is a modeling choice that intentionally reduces the chances that false content will be transmitted.

When encountering a news item, a user can choose to determine its veracity at a cost (of time and effort, for example) before deciding whether to share it or not. The decision to pursue verification thus involves weighing the cost of achieving certainty (by consulting a fact-check article, for example) against the risk of sharing misinformation. The probability of the latter is determined by the prevalence of misinformation on a given platform, which is determined by supply and demand forces. Specifically, producers of fake content benefit when users share such information without first bothering to verify it. As the fraction of these users increases, so does the pass-through of misinformation, thereby incentivizing the production (and hence prevalence) of false content, resulting in an upward-sloping “supply curve” of misinformation. Conversely, users are less likely to pass on unverified news when the risk of encountering fake content is higher. As the prevalence of misinformation increases, fewer users then engage in such unverified sharing, resulting in a downward-sloping “misinformation pass-through curve.” Much like a standard supply-demand framework, equilibrium misinformation prevalence and pass-through emerge at the point of intersection of the two curves, as visualized in the chart below.

Equilibrium Prevalence and Pass-through of Misinformation on a Social Media Platform


Source: Cisternas and Vásquez (2022).
Examining Users’ Incentives

Our framework enables us to assess the efforts that platforms have undertaken to counter misinformation. In particular, we focus on how these measures might affect users’ incentives to verify the news they see online.

1. The extent of unverified sharing can be insensitive to reductions in verification costs. If it became cheaper for users to determine the veracity of any given news item, one would expect an inward shift in the misinformation pass-through curve, ensuring a drop in both prevalence and pass-through. As we show in our paper, however, for any decrease in verification costs, there are always levels of prevalence at which unverified sharing behavior is insensitive to such changes. The following chart shows an example of a misinformation pass-through curve that only shifts inward at two disconnected regions of prevalence—leaving the equilibrium unchanged

The Misinformation Pass-through Curve Need Not Shift Inward Everywhere after a Reduction in Verification Costs


Source: Cisternas and Vásquez (2022).
From that example, we can see that there is no inward shift for low levels of prevalence—this is natural, as the risk of sharing misinformation is low in those cases. What is interesting is that there is no shift at intermediate and high levels of prevalence either, where the risk of sharing fake content is not small. Indeed, as we show in the model, it is possible that around those levels, a reduction in verification costs has the “unintended” effect of inducing verification by users who were not originally sharing content, but not by those who were already sharing unverified information. Put differently, such a policy induces “entry” by users who originally found it too risky to share when verification was prohibitively costly for them—but since their sharing decisions are driven purely by the possibility of verifying news, the pass-through of misinformation is unchanged.

Importantly, our research finds that the location of such “insensitive” regions depends critically on the way in which the benefits and losses associated with misinformation vary across the population. An examination of such distributions is then a key empirical question for assessing whether fact-checking initiatives—which lower the costs borne by users when searching for information to validate news—can be effective at combating misinformation.

2. Supply interventions can increase the diffusion of misinformation. Various policies currently in place attempt to reduce the profitability of peddling false information, thereby reducing its supply (and prevalence). However, the pass-through of fake content increases because users’ verification incentives are weakened in the process, as news items become more likely to be truthful. The diffusion rate of misinformation—prevalence times pass-through—captures the chance that misinformation is shared among users. The next chart depicts a misinformation pass-through curve that exhibits verification by users (notice a steeper decline—due to an inward shift—at prevalence levels from 0.2 onward), but where the extent of diffusion (areas B plus C) increases after the supply of misinformation is curtailed: specifically, the decrease in diffusion due to lower prevalence (area A) is smaller than its increase due to a higher pass-through rate (area C).

A Reduction in the Supply of Misinformation Leads to Greater Diffusion when Verification Is at Play


Source: Cisternas and Vásquez (2022).
Importantly, our analysis identifies conditions under which the pass-through curve is sufficiently “responsive” to such supply changes so that the diffusion rate increases after the intervention; and it also examines when a reduction in verification costs generates a more responsive pass-through curve, thereby providing conditions under which joint policies can reinforce each other negatively.

3. Detection algorithms that remove news for users can backfire. We also evaluate the efficacy of internal filters that assess the veracity of news articles, removing those that are deemed false before they reach users. In this context, we show that the introduction of imperfect filters can actually increase the prevalence and diffusion of misinformation despite the extra layer of protection provided by these algorithms. Consider the case of a filter that makes “false negative” errors (incorrectly deciding that a false news story is true): after a news article has passed through the filter, a user becomes more confident of its veracity and less inclined to verify its content, thereby increasing unverified sharing. This effect can outweigh the reduction in misinformation production that stems from producers correctly perceiving this extra layer of protection as limiting the passthrough of false content—see the next chart, where the diffusion of fake news starts falling only after the filter in place is sufficiently effective.

The Diffusion of Misinformation Can Increase when the Quality of the Filter—the Probability of Detecting Fake News—Improves


Source: Cisternas and Vásquez (2022).
Finally, while our baseline model is “competitive” in that it examines a market with many small misinformation producers, we also study the case of a single producer of fake content. In such a market, we show that the traditional exercise of monopoly power in reducing “trade”—here, prevalence—to obtain a larger pass-through rate is hindered by the fact that the prevalence of misinformation is generally not directly observed by users. Thus, the disclosure of prevalence level to users could favor a monopolistic misinformation producer by enabling her to move along the pass-through curve to target a higher pass-through rate.

Overall, our research highlights that the joint analysis of users’ and producers’ incentives is essential for the design of policy interventions in social media. In the process, we have identified some types of data that need to be gathered in order to assess the efficacy of policy interventions: how users’ benefits and losses from sharing news are distributed across populations of interest; how sensitive verification incentives are to changes in prevalence; and how substitutable internal filters and individuals’ verification choices are across various levels of filter quality.

Photo: portrait of Gonzalo Cisternas
Gonzalo Cisternas is a financial research advisor in Non-Bank Financial Institution Studies in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s Research and Statistics Group.
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"About a month ago, I was having a chat with a Black editor. We got around to talking about our experiences. As the conversation went on, we agreed that we definitely shared one thing as Black people doing public discourse work: precariousness.

To be a Black public figure who chooses to be honest about white supremacy in this country is dangerous business. And there is no starker example of that than Tiffany Cross — whose show, “The Cross Connection,” was canceled last month by MSNBC, and whose contract with the network wasn’t renewed.

Cross, a former D.C. bureau chief for BET Networks and an associate producer for CNN, was named host of “The Cross Connection” in late 2020. The show aired Saturday mornings and was one of the higher-rated weekend political shows for the network. It was also one of the few shows left on a major news network that centered the voices of Black people and others of color. Cross focused on matters domestic and international, doing shows, for instance, on global diaspora movements.

She was unapologetic about discussing white supremacy and did not hold back on matters of race. This, of course, drew the ire of the right-wing chattering class, who increasingly singled her out. In October, after Cross (rightly) noted how White men dominate the NFL’s coaching and ownership ranks, Megyn Kelly called her a “dumbass” and “the most racist person on television.” Later that month, Fox News’s Tucker Carlson went on a 10-minute tirade against Cross and MSNBC, accusing Cross of stoking hatred against White people, and comparing her show to the radio broadcasts that led to the Rwandan genocide.

I’m not making this up.

Shortly after that, on Nov. 4, news broke that MSNBC was parting ways with Cross, just days before the midterm elections. It was a stunning announcement — and, particularly for Black journalists, a reminder that the rug could be pulled out from under us at any time. She was not even given the dignity of a final, sign-off show.

It’s all a bad look, sending the message that we can be abruptly de-platformed for stirring up the right-wing media pot. Two years after the supposed “global reckoning” on race, we are still disposable.

The symbolism of Cross’s de-platforming is all the more concerning considering the political times we live in, when attacks against Black educators, authors and journalists are increasing across the country. In a letter to MSNBC, more than 40 Black leaders protested: “This season is too grave a moment in American history to silence the voices of Black Women who, time and again, save America from itself.” (So far, the National Association of Black Journalists has been quiet.)

NBC has lost a number of prominent Black voices over the years, especially Black women. Melissa Harris-Perry’s popular MSNBC weekend show was canceled in 2016. In 2017, Tamron Hall was pushed out. MSNBC’s Peacock hub canceled Zerlina Maxwell’s and Joshua Johnson’s shows, and both left the network.

The situation is all the more disheartening considering that MSNBC’s current president is a Black woman, Rashida Jones. We are made to hope and believe that representation at the upper ranks will understand and support our voices. Sadly, this is not always the case.

I am surprised, but not shocked, that this isn’t a bigger story for U.S. media journalists. Cross has retained a lawyer, and is reportedly looking to challenge her firing. Her case is an important one to watch. We should be glad she’s fighting for her voice, and the voices of so many of the other communities she featured — but it’s awful that a star such as her even has to. If this can happen to Cross, all Black journalists are on shaky ground."
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:49 am https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... cellation/

"About a month ago, I was having a chat with a Black editor. We got around to talking about our experiences. As the conversation went on, we agreed that we definitely shared one thing as Black people doing public discourse work: precariousness.

To be a Black public figure who chooses to be honest about white supremacy in this country is dangerous business. And there is no starker example of that than Tiffany Cross — whose show, “The Cross Connection,” was canceled last month by MSNBC, and whose contract with the network wasn’t renewed.

Cross, a former D.C. bureau chief for BET Networks and an associate producer for CNN, was named host of “The Cross Connection” in late 2020. The show aired Saturday mornings and was one of the higher-rated weekend political shows for the network. It was also one of the few shows left on a major news network that centered the voices of Black people and others of color. Cross focused on matters domestic and international, doing shows, for instance, on global diaspora movements.

She was unapologetic about discussing white supremacy and did not hold back on matters of race. This, of course, drew the ire of the right-wing chattering class, who increasingly singled her out. In October, after Cross (rightly) noted how White men dominate the NFL’s coaching and ownership ranks, Megyn Kelly called her a “dumbass” and “the most racist person on television.” Later that month, Fox News’s Tucker Carlson went on a 10-minute tirade against Cross and MSNBC, accusing Cross of stoking hatred against White people, and comparing her show to the radio broadcasts that led to the Rwandan genocide.

I’m not making this up.

Shortly after that, on Nov. 4, news broke that MSNBC was parting ways with Cross, just days before the midterm elections. It was a stunning announcement — and, particularly for Black journalists, a reminder that the rug could be pulled out from under us at any time. She was not even given the dignity of a final, sign-off show.

It’s all a bad look, sending the message that we can be abruptly de-platformed for stirring up the right-wing media pot. Two years after the supposed “global reckoning” on race, we are still disposable.

The symbolism of Cross’s de-platforming is all the more concerning considering the political times we live in, when attacks against Black educators, authors and journalists are increasing across the country. In a letter to MSNBC, more than 40 Black leaders protested: “This season is too grave a moment in American history to silence the voices of Black Women who, time and again, save America from itself.” (So far, the National Association of Black Journalists has been quiet.)

NBC has lost a number of prominent Black voices over the years, especially Black women. Melissa Harris-Perry’s popular MSNBC weekend show was canceled in 2016. In 2017, Tamron Hall was pushed out. MSNBC’s Peacock hub canceled Zerlina Maxwell’s and Joshua Johnson’s shows, and both left the network.

The situation is all the more disheartening considering that MSNBC’s current president is a Black woman, Rashida Jones. We are made to hope and believe that representation at the upper ranks will understand and support our voices. Sadly, this is not always the case.

I am surprised, but not shocked, that this isn’t a bigger story for U.S. media journalists. Cross has retained a lawyer, and is reportedly looking to challenge her firing. Her case is an important one to watch. We should be glad she’s fighting for her voice, and the voices of so many of the other communities she featured — but it’s awful that a star such as her even has to. If this can happen to Cross, all Black journalists are on shaky ground."
When this is wrapped around a business cutting bodies left and right-see news layoffs lately, it’s hard to discern what is “de-platforming” from business considerations. If it were a non-profit it would be different but combined public company short termism and structural elements that make leadership or prospective activities difficult along with the secular challenges for media companies I don’t see this way causation so much as correlation.

Why do people get fired or don’t get hired for opining on Facebook and I don’t mean something in humane but simply taking any position on any topic that might polarize some portion of society?

One of my bosses in my last gig in NYC for a CRE debt fund was on Merrill Lynch’s risk committee when he was 29. He told me one time while we were out socially: we’re all replaceable, you, me, everyone including the investors. (I was “on scholarship” with him when we’d go out periodically and talk business + life before he made me the Indian in the middle of his war with the other chiefs and paid me well in severance to get shot unbeknownst to me)
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I am going to get a 4.0 in damage.

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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:49 am https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... cellation/

"About a month ago, I was having a chat with a Black editor. We got around to talking about our experiences. As the conversation went on, we agreed that we definitely shared one thing as Black people doing public discourse work: precariousness.

To be a Black public figure who chooses to be honest about white supremacy in this country is dangerous business. And there is no starker example of that than Tiffany Cross — whose show, “The Cross Connection,” was canceled last month by MSNBC, and whose contract with the network wasn’t renewed.

Cross, a former D.C. bureau chief for BET Networks and an associate producer for CNN, was named host of “The Cross Connection” in late 2020. The show aired Saturday mornings and was one of the higher-rated weekend political shows for the network. It was also one of the few shows left on a major news network that centered the voices of Black people and others of color. Cross focused on matters domestic and international, doing shows, for instance, on global diaspora movements.

She was unapologetic about discussing white supremacy and did not hold back on matters of race. This, of course, drew the ire of the right-wing chattering class, who increasingly singled her out. In October, after Cross (rightly) noted how White men dominate the NFL’s coaching and ownership ranks, Megyn Kelly called her a “dumbass” and “the most racist person on television.” Later that month, Fox News’s Tucker Carlson went on a 10-minute tirade against Cross and MSNBC, accusing Cross of stoking hatred against White people, and comparing her show to the radio broadcasts that led to the Rwandan genocide.

I’m not making this up.

Shortly after that, on Nov. 4, news broke that MSNBC was parting ways with Cross, just days before the midterm elections. It was a stunning announcement — and, particularly for Black journalists, a reminder that the rug could be pulled out from under us at any time. She was not even given the dignity of a final, sign-off show.

It’s all a bad look, sending the message that we can be abruptly de-platformed for stirring up the right-wing media pot. Two years after the supposed “global reckoning” on race, we are still disposable.

The symbolism of Cross’s de-platforming is all the more concerning considering the political times we live in, when attacks against Black educators, authors and journalists are increasing across the country. In a letter to MSNBC, more than 40 Black leaders protested: “This season is too grave a moment in American history to silence the voices of Black Women who, time and again, save America from itself.” (So far, the National Association of Black Journalists has been quiet.)

NBC has lost a number of prominent Black voices over the years, especially Black women. Melissa Harris-Perry’s popular MSNBC weekend show was canceled in 2016. In 2017, Tamron Hall was pushed out. MSNBC’s Peacock hub canceled Zerlina Maxwell’s and Joshua Johnson’s shows, and both left the network.

The situation is all the more disheartening considering that MSNBC’s current president is a Black woman, Rashida Jones. We are made to hope and believe that representation at the upper ranks will understand and support our voices. Sadly, this is not always the case.

I am surprised, but not shocked, that this isn’t a bigger story for U.S. media journalists. Cross has retained a lawyer, and is reportedly looking to challenge her firing. Her case is an important one to watch. We should be glad she’s fighting for her voice, and the voices of so many of the other communities she featured — but it’s awful that a star such as her even has to. If this can happen to Cross, all Black journalists are on shaky ground."
Adding on, I think you’ll see more cries of this from both “sides” as many folks who jerked off around Capitol Hill as staffers and then for Trade groups and handed Down agency gigs that they wanted to use to sell themselves as paid contributor and towns cushy media gigs get cut loose-they’re personal economic mode not dissimilar to the iron triangle or others between regulatory/governmental and private sector break down and they have to adapt and reinvent themselves or learn new ways to “add value” looks harder than their old model in life.
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Re: media matters

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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:49 am https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... cellation/

"About a month ago, I was having a chat with a Black editor. We got around to talking about our experiences. As the conversation went on, we agreed that we definitely shared one thing as Black people doing public discourse work: precariousness.

To be a Black public figure who chooses to be honest about white supremacy in this country is dangerous business. And there is no starker example of that than Tiffany Cross — whose show, “The Cross Connection,” was canceled last month by MSNBC, and whose contract with the network wasn’t renewed.

Cross, a former D.C. bureau chief for BET Networks and an associate producer for CNN, was named host of “The Cross Connection” in late 2020. The show aired Saturday mornings and was one of the higher-rated weekend political shows for the network. It was also one of the few shows left on a major news network that centered the voices of Black people and others of color. Cross focused on matters domestic and international, doing shows, for instance, on global diaspora movements.

She was unapologetic about discussing white supremacy and did not hold back on matters of race. This, of course, drew the ire of the right-wing chattering class, who increasingly singled her out. In October, after Cross (rightly) noted how White men dominate the NFL’s coaching and ownership ranks, Megyn Kelly called her a “dumbass” and “the most racist person on television.” Later that month, Fox News’s Tucker Carlson went on a 10-minute tirade against Cross and MSNBC, accusing Cross of stoking hatred against White people, and comparing her show to the radio broadcasts that led to the Rwandan genocide.

I’m not making this up.

Shortly after that, on Nov. 4, news broke that MSNBC was parting ways with Cross, just days before the midterm elections. It was a stunning announcement — and, particularly for Black journalists, a reminder that the rug could be pulled out from under us at any time. She was not even given the dignity of a final, sign-off show.

It’s all a bad look, sending the message that we can be abruptly de-platformed for stirring up the right-wing media pot. Two years after the supposed “global reckoning” on race, we are still disposable.

The symbolism of Cross’s de-platforming is all the more concerning considering the political times we live in, when attacks against Black educators, authors and journalists are increasing across the country. In a letter to MSNBC, more than 40 Black leaders protested: “This season is too grave a moment in American history to silence the voices of Black Women who, time and again, save America from itself.” (So far, the National Association of Black Journalists has been quiet.)

NBC has lost a number of prominent Black voices over the years, especially Black women. Melissa Harris-Perry’s popular MSNBC weekend show was canceled in 2016. In 2017, Tamron Hall was pushed out. MSNBC’s Peacock hub canceled Zerlina Maxwell’s and Joshua Johnson’s shows, and both left the network.

The situation is all the more disheartening considering that MSNBC’s current president is a Black woman, Rashida Jones. We are made to hope and believe that representation at the upper ranks will understand and support our voices. Sadly, this is not always the case.

I am surprised, but not shocked, that this isn’t a bigger story for U.S. media journalists. Cross has retained a lawyer, and is reportedly looking to challenge her firing. Her case is an important one to watch. We should be glad she’s fighting for her voice, and the voices of so many of the other communities she featured — but it’s awful that a star such as her even has to. If this can happen to Cross, all Black journalists are on shaky ground."
My neighbor is a producer for a media personality. He did spot duty on 60 Minutes. I am going to sent her that article and ask for her perspective.
“I wish you would!”
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