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old salt wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:36 pm Hey Kismet -- Happy Columbus Day, goomba - you imperialist running dog. Goin' to the Parade ?

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/c ... pretation/
Columbus Day: Melodrama or Tragedy?
By VICTOR DAVIS HANSON, October 9, 2017

Campuses and Western critics in the last half-century have turned a once risk-taking and heroic Christopher Columbus into an evil emissary of disease and destruction. History is now seen as one-dimensional melodrama in which our contemporary duty is to pick sinners and saints of the past based on our own modern (quite imperfect) perceptions of morality and then judge them worthy of either hagiography or banishment from memory — rather than history as tragedy in which various agendas are often far more complex than just evil versus good.

In the so-called Columbus exchange, true, diseases were inadvertently brought into the New World by rapacious explorers and grasping settlers who followed Columbus that killed millions, but then so were horses, wheat, and rice, which enhanced the human condition. If history is to be reduced to a breast-for-tat scorecard, who can calibrate the good of the imported New World potato and tomato versus the bad of New World tobacco, cocaine, and, most likely, syphilis that would go on to kill and maim hundreds of millions? Without the fertility, climate, and access of the New World, Old World sugar, in small amounts previously imported from India, would have still remained a relative expensive rarity in the West; after Columbus, it would become a staple, with all its lethal results.

Certainly, inherent in the Columbus narrative is now a one-sided anti-Western bias, in which Columbus is demonized for epidemics that followed in a way that, say, the advancing Mongols of the 14th century are not censored as the importers of the plague to Europe that killed more Westerners than any single event until World War II.

Columbus left a continent in which, as elsewhere in the world, religious persecution, slavery, and civil wars were commonplace — and found mostly the same in the New World; the difference in destruction was largely one of scale that hinged on demography and smaller New World populations. Otherwise, the organization and efficacy of religiously driven human sacrifices of Aztec prisoners and subjects sometimes had a proto-Auschwitzean nature about them — but without dissident voices and opposition.

So, what did Columbus accomplish? If demography was destiny, he found a New World in which, to take one later example, North America was by European standards largely underpopulated and his successors opened it to exploration and settlement from a continent whose cities were sometimes 100 times more densely populated. Whereas Europeans had the ability to navigate around the world, indigenous people tragically did not. The logical result was that the more technologically advanced, poor, and overpopulated were going to seek out the naturally rich and sparsely settled, not out of evil per se, but out of collective individual desires to survive and prosper. Both tragedy and civilization followed.

It is fashionable to trash the civilization that created Columbus as destructive and pathological, but those who do so often have never experienced the alternative first-hand or at length, and assume that their own prosperity, security, and protected freedoms are birthrights rather than fragilities that exist largely only in the West and Westernized Asia or emanate only from the Western anomalies of self-criticism, secular rationalism, unfettered inquiry, free expression, constitutional government, free-market economics, private property and religious tolerance.

Today, millions from often premodern conditions in Africa and in southern Mexico and Central America vote with their feet to seek out Europe and the United States, not because it is perfect or they like the West, but because they believe it is potentially advantageous for them in a way their own familiar landscapes and environments have proven quite disadvantageous. In my own environs, Mexican flags and Aztec statuary are quite commonly on display as proof of indigenous credibility, but the real emotion arises at any hint that the border might be closed and pathways into the United States and all that it is and represents, might be curtailed. In some strange reductionist and iconic way, the symbolic world of the Aztecs is romanticized — and left far behind; the world of Columbus is still demonized but constantly sought out. History is ironic and tragic, not a modern melodramatic morality tale.
More Very Dope History from your right wing idol.
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My heritage has VERY little to do with Columbus who although born Italian spent most of his life outside Italy.
You can thank the Knights of Columbus and American Catholic Church for lobbying FDR for the federal holiday in the 1930s.

BTW - Christopher Columbus never once stepped onto the North American continent.
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I just don't understand a US holiday for a guy who wasn't from this country, who never set foot in what was to become the United States. If the Italians want to have a holiday celebrating him, good with me...but why the United States.
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Bandito wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:44 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:13 pm
Bandito wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:47 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:52 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:38 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:21 pm Help me understand:

https://mobile.twitter.com/kendallybrow ... 8611388417
well, doesn't appear to be "racist"...but wow.
Sh*t training. Why the F would ANYONE, let alone a trained officer, unlawfully and FOOLISHLY......open someone's car door without permission, and surprise them like that?

If someone did that to you....how long do you think it would take you to figure out that it was a police officer, and not, say, a carjacker.....when it's nighttime?

Moron. That's a full on training failure. Systemic. Or, he was trained, and broke the SOP.
There is something wrong with this, the officer witnessed the car and teenager in a previous incident, the teen attempts to evades the police, not obeying an officer, even threatening bodily harm and no one is questioning the actions of the teen. Sure you can make a case of over reacting, but this boldness to break the law with complete disregard for society norms is the big problem we are facing. Excusing actions by DA results in exactly why crime is rising. There is no accountable actions of the teen, the DA does not enforce the law, and we quickly hang out the police officer. If you wondering why police are leaving the field in record numbers, look no further, blame the police that is in charge of security, and turn blind eye to what the crime that was broken. This kid is not in the right.

Cops in the US have well over 350 million interactions/responses to situations per year. As bad as this was, this is not the norm, not even close in the US. Based on percentages this is an extremely rare occurrence. It is an exception not the rule. Sadly your post shows you've been duped by the media to believe cops are bad. That couldn't be further from the truth. The war on cops is real in this country and why crime is skyrocketing throughout the US, specifically in Democrat run cities. This is what happens when you want to defund the police.
man that's a whole lotta talking out of both sides...

first para is a bunch of speculation, blaming kid, DA, society, but absolutely not a cop not following standard procedure and hugely, tragically overreacting.

second para admits "as bad as this was"...and "extremely rare occurrence" and then pivots to "war on cops" and a personal attack of a fellow poster.

I don't see anything about this about race, though...just bad policing.
A personal attack? Excuse me? I said he has been duped by the mainstream media, which is true. If you think that is a personal attack, I don't know what to tell you. I was using facts and reason to enlighten that poster about the truth of the situation. Did you call out the poster "TLD" who called me a derogatory term for a sex toy after posting facts in the Midterms 2022 thread? I highly doubt he was banned or given infraction points and sent on a 'vacation'. Sadly, this site has gone to **** because it is an echo chamber of sadness, lies, bias and hatred coming from posters like you and those on the left.

There is a war on cops. It has been happening for quite some time. To deny that is just flat out wrong. That and the asinine Defund the Police Movement are the root causes for the skyrocketing crime rate in Democrat run cities. Leave your neighborhood and go to the inner cities and hang out. It will be quite eye opening for you I am sure.

Also, for someone who bragged about me being on your 'ignore list', it is an honor and a privilege to be quoted by someone of your holier than thou stature!
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:20 am
Bandito wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:44 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:13 pm
Bandito wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:47 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:52 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:38 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:21 pm Help me understand:

https://mobile.twitter.com/kendallybrow ... 8611388417
well, doesn't appear to be "racist"...but wow.
Sh*t training. Why the F would ANYONE, let alone a trained officer, unlawfully and FOOLISHLY......open someone's car door without permission, and surprise them like that?

If someone did that to you....how long do you think it would take you to figure out that it was a police officer, and not, say, a carjacker.....when it's nighttime?

Moron. That's a full on training failure. Systemic. Or, he was trained, and broke the SOP.
There is something wrong with this, the officer witnessed the car and teenager in a previous incident, the teen attempts to evades the police, not obeying an officer, even threatening bodily harm and no one is questioning the actions of the teen. Sure you can make a case of over reacting, but this boldness to break the law with complete disregard for society norms is the big problem we are facing. Excusing actions by DA results in exactly why crime is rising. There is no accountable actions of the teen, the DA does not enforce the law, and we quickly hang out the police officer. If you wondering why police are leaving the field in record numbers, look no further, blame the police that is in charge of security, and turn blind eye to what the crime that was broken. This kid is not in the right.

Cops in the US have well over 350 million interactions/responses to situations per year. As bad as this was, this is not the norm, not even close in the US. Based on percentages this is an extremely rare occurrence. It is an exception not the rule. Sadly your post shows you've been duped by the media to believe cops are bad. That couldn't be further from the truth. The war on cops is real in this country and why crime is skyrocketing throughout the US, specifically in Democrat run cities. This is what happens when you want to defund the police.
man that's a whole lotta talking out of both sides...

first para is a bunch of speculation, blaming kid, DA, society, but absolutely not a cop not following standard procedure and hugely, tragically overreacting.

second para admits "as bad as this was"...and "extremely rare occurrence" and then pivots to "war on cops" and a personal attack of a fellow poster.

I don't see anything about this about race, though...just bad policing.
A personal attack? Excuse me? I said he has been duped by the mainstream media, which is true. If you think that is a personal attack, I don't know what to tell you. I was using facts and reason to enlighten that poster about the truth of the situation. Did you call out the poster "TLD" who called me a derogatory term for a sex toy after posting facts in the Midterms 2022 thread? I highly doubt he was banned or given infraction points and sent on a 'vacation'. Sadly, this site has gone to **** because it is an echo chamber of sadness, lies, bias and hatred coming from posters like you and those on the left.

There is a war on cops. It has been happening for quite some time. To deny that is just flat out wrong. That and the asinine Defund the Police Movement are the root causes for the skyrocketing crime rate in Democrat run cities. Leave your neighborhood and go to the inner cities and hang out. It will be quite eye opening for you I am sure.

Also, for someone who bragged about me being on your 'ignore list', it is an honor and a privilege to be quoted by someone of your holier than thou stature!
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:52 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:20 am
Bandito wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:44 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:13 pm
Bandito wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:47 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:52 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:38 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:21 pm Help me understand:

https://mobile.twitter.com/kendallybrow ... 8611388417
well, doesn't appear to be "racist"...but wow.
Sh*t training. Why the F would ANYONE, let alone a trained officer, unlawfully and FOOLISHLY......open someone's car door without permission, and surprise them like that?

If someone did that to you....how long do you think it would take you to figure out that it was a police officer, and not, say, a carjacker.....when it's nighttime?

Moron. That's a full on training failure. Systemic. Or, he was trained, and broke the SOP.
There is something wrong with this, the officer witnessed the car and teenager in a previous incident, the teen attempts to evades the police, not obeying an officer, even threatening bodily harm and no one is questioning the actions of the teen. Sure you can make a case of over reacting, but this boldness to break the law with complete disregard for society norms is the big problem we are facing. Excusing actions by DA results in exactly why crime is rising. There is no accountable actions of the teen, the DA does not enforce the law, and we quickly hang out the police officer. If you wondering why police are leaving the field in record numbers, look no further, blame the police that is in charge of security, and turn blind eye to what the crime that was broken. This kid is not in the right.

Cops in the US have well over 350 million interactions/responses to situations per year. As bad as this was, this is not the norm, not even close in the US. Based on percentages this is an extremely rare occurrence. It is an exception not the rule. Sadly your post shows you've been duped by the media to believe cops are bad. That couldn't be further from the truth. The war on cops is real in this country and why crime is skyrocketing throughout the US, specifically in Democrat run cities. This is what happens when you want to defund the police.
man that's a whole lotta talking out of both sides...

first para is a bunch of speculation, blaming kid, DA, society, but absolutely not a cop not following standard procedure and hugely, tragically overreacting.

second para admits "as bad as this was"...and "extremely rare occurrence" and then pivots to "war on cops" and a personal attack of a fellow poster.

I don't see anything about this about race, though...just bad policing.
A personal attack? Excuse me? I said he has been duped by the mainstream media, which is true. If you think that is a personal attack, I don't know what to tell you. I was using facts and reason to enlighten that poster about the truth of the situation. Did you call out the poster "TLD" who called me a derogatory term for a sex toy after posting facts in the Midterms 2022 thread? I highly doubt he was banned or given infraction points and sent on a 'vacation'. Sadly, this site has gone to **** because it is an echo chamber of sadness, lies, bias and hatred coming from posters like you and those on the left.

There is a war on cops. It has been happening for quite some time. To deny that is just flat out wrong. That and the asinine Defund the Police Movement are the root causes for the skyrocketing crime rate in Democrat run cities. Leave your neighborhood and go to the inner cities and hang out. It will be quite eye opening for you I am sure.

Also, for someone who bragged about me being on your 'ignore list', it is an honor and a privilege to be quoted by someone of your holier than thou stature!
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:00 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:52 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:20 am
Bandito wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:44 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:13 pm
Bandito wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:47 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:52 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:38 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:21 pm Help me understand:

https://mobile.twitter.com/kendallybrow ... 8611388417
well, doesn't appear to be "racist"...but wow.
Sh*t training. Why the F would ANYONE, let alone a trained officer, unlawfully and FOOLISHLY......open someone's car door without permission, and surprise them like that?

If someone did that to you....how long do you think it would take you to figure out that it was a police officer, and not, say, a carjacker.....when it's nighttime?

Moron. That's a full on training failure. Systemic. Or, he was trained, and broke the SOP.
There is something wrong with this, the officer witnessed the car and teenager in a previous incident, the teen attempts to evades the police, not obeying an officer, even threatening bodily harm and no one is questioning the actions of the teen. Sure you can make a case of over reacting, but this boldness to break the law with complete disregard for society norms is the big problem we are facing. Excusing actions by DA results in exactly why crime is rising. There is no accountable actions of the teen, the DA does not enforce the law, and we quickly hang out the police officer. If you wondering why police are leaving the field in record numbers, look no further, blame the police that is in charge of security, and turn blind eye to what the crime that was broken. This kid is not in the right.

Cops in the US have well over 350 million interactions/responses to situations per year. As bad as this was, this is not the norm, not even close in the US. Based on percentages this is an extremely rare occurrence. It is an exception not the rule. Sadly your post shows you've been duped by the media to believe cops are bad. That couldn't be further from the truth. The war on cops is real in this country and why crime is skyrocketing throughout the US, specifically in Democrat run cities. This is what happens when you want to defund the police.
man that's a whole lotta talking out of both sides...

first para is a bunch of speculation, blaming kid, DA, society, but absolutely not a cop not following standard procedure and hugely, tragically overreacting.

second para admits "as bad as this was"...and "extremely rare occurrence" and then pivots to "war on cops" and a personal attack of a fellow poster.

I don't see anything about this about race, though...just bad policing.
A personal attack? Excuse me? I said he has been duped by the mainstream media, which is true. If you think that is a personal attack, I don't know what to tell you. I was using facts and reason to enlighten that poster about the truth of the situation. Did you call out the poster "TLD" who called me a derogatory term for a sex toy after posting facts in the Midterms 2022 thread? I highly doubt he was banned or given infraction points and sent on a 'vacation'. Sadly, this site has gone to **** because it is an echo chamber of sadness, lies, bias and hatred coming from posters like you and those on the left.

There is a war on cops. It has been happening for quite some time. To deny that is just flat out wrong. That and the asinine Defund the Police Movement are the root causes for the skyrocketing crime rate in Democrat run cities. Leave your neighborhood and go to the inner cities and hang out. It will be quite eye opening for you I am sure.

Also, for someone who bragged about me being on your 'ignore list', it is an honor and a privilege to be quoted by someone of your holier than thou stature!
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:14 am I just don't understand a US holiday for a guy who wasn't from this country, who never set foot in what was to become the United States. If the Italians want to have a holiday celebrating him, good with me...but why the United States.
Who is the District of Columbia named after?

Seems like Columbus/Columbia is kind of a thing here in the US of A.
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ggait wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:18 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:14 am I just don't understand a US holiday for a guy who wasn't from this country, who never set foot in what was to become the United States. If the Italians want to have a holiday celebrating him, good with me...but why the United States.
Who is the District of Columbia named after?

Seems like Columbus/Columbia is kind of a thing here in the US of A.
Yes, a feminine personification derived from 'Columbus' used "patriotically" in the early period for the nation, later was largely displaced by Lady Liberty, though that symbolism has some derivation fom the feminine personification of Columbia as well.

Initially represented as an "Indian princess", it referenced all of the "Americas", as one of the Four Continents", later representing European colonization (all of the Americas were claimed). Interesting history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_ ... ification)

Let's note that Columbus, the man, was not the symbol...

I'd be fine with a holiday celebrating "Liberty"...not so keen on a holiday celebrating colonization.
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kramerica.inc wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:54 pm One of the few times Tony got it right. (NSFW- language)

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:14 am I just don't understand a US holiday for a guy who wasn't from this country, who never set foot in what was to become the United States. If the Italians want to have a holiday celebrating him, good with me...but why the United States.
We could just say that Columbus Day celebrates the Midwestern mecca of Columbus, Ohio and/or (better yet, as it has groovier architecture) Columbus, Indiana. After all, we all know that the Newark Airport in New Jersey was named after Newark, Ohio!
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FannOLax wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:03 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:14 am I just don't understand a US holiday for a guy who wasn't from this country, who never set foot in what was to become the United States. If the Italians want to have a holiday celebrating him, good with me...but why the United States.
We could just say that Columbus Day celebrates the Midwestern mecca of Columbus, Ohio and/or (better yet, as it has groovier architecture) Columbus, Indiana. After all, we all know that the Newark Airport in New Jersey was named after Newark, Ohio!
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:40 pm
ggait wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:18 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:14 am I just don't understand a US holiday for a guy who wasn't from this country, who never set foot in what was to become the United States. If the Italians want to have a holiday celebrating him, good with me...but why the United States.
Who is the District of Columbia named after?

Seems like Columbus/Columbia is kind of a thing here in the US of A.
Yes, a feminine personification derived from 'Columbus' used "patriotically" in the early period for the nation, later was largely displaced by Lady Liberty, though that symbolism has some derivation fom the feminine personification of Columbia as well.

Initially represented as an "Indian princess", it referenced all of the "Americas", as one of the Four Continents", later representing European colonization (all of the Americas were claimed). Interesting history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_ ... ification)

Let's note that Columbus, the man, was not the symbol...
Maybe Columbus was trans....what could be more American & worth celebrating ?
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https://www.newsweek.com/black-lives-ma ... ns-1524502

Black Lives Matter Chicago Organizer Defends Looting: 'That's Reparations'

BY KHALEDA RAHMAN ON 8/12/20 AT 4:27

A Black Lives Matter Chicago organizer has defended the mass looting that took place in the city early Monday, calling it "reparations."

Ariel Atkins spoke outside a police station in the South Loop on 18th and South State Street on Monday, where protesters had gathered to call for the release of those who were arrested.

"I don't care if somebody decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy's or a Nike because that makes sure that that person eats. That makes sure that that person has clothes," Atkins said, according to NBC Chicago.

"That's reparations. That is reparations. Anything they want to take, take it because these businesses have insurance. They're going to get their money back. My people aren't getting anything."

Atkins also hit back at Rev. Jesse Jackson, who tweeted earlier on Monday that the looting that had taken place in Chicago was "morally wrong."

He wrote: "This act of pillaging, robbing & looting in Chicago was humiliating, embarrassing &morally wrong. It must not be associated with our quest for social justice and equality."

But Atkins maintained that Jackson "has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter."

She added: "Jesse Jackson was not there for the creation of Black Lives Matter. Jesse Jackson can keep his opinions to himself."

During a news conference on Monday, Chicago Police Supt. David Brown said more than 400 officers had been deployed to stop the mass looting and unrest that broke out in the hours after police shot a man in the Englewood neighborhood on Chicago's South Side on Sunday.

He said more than 100 people were arrested for charges including looting, disorderly conduct and battery against police.

Authorities said misinformation circulated that the person shot on Sunday was a child and social media posts had encouraged looting.

Police identified the man as Latrell Allen, 20, and said he was shot after opening fire on officers first. They said a gun was recovered at the scene.

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot condemned the looting during a news conference on Monday.

"These were not poor people engaged in petty theft to feed themselves and their families. This was straight up felony criminal conduct," she said. "This was an assault on our city."

In a statement, Black Lives Matter Chicago condemned Lightfoot for reserving her criticism for looters and not for the officers who shot a Black man.

"The mayor clearly has not learned anything since May, and she would be wise to understand that the people will keep rising up until the CPD is abolished and our Black communities are fully invested in," it said, referring to the unrest in the city that broke out in the wake of George Floyd's death in Minneapolis.

The statement added: "Over the past few months, too many people—disproportionately Black and Brown—have lost their jobs, lost their income, lost their homes, and lost their lives as the city has done nothing and the Chicago elite have profited.

"When protesters attack high-end retail stores that are owned by the wealthy and service the wealthy, that is not "our" city and has never been meant for us.
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old salt wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:53 am https://www.newsweek.com/black-lives-ma ... ns-1524502

Black Lives Matter Chicago Organizer Defends Looting: 'That's Reparations'

BY KHALEDA RAHMAN ON 8/12/20 AT 4:27

A Black Lives Matter Chicago organizer has defended the mass looting that took place in the city early Monday, calling it "reparations."

Ariel Atkins spoke outside a police station in the South Loop on 18th and South State Street on Monday, where protesters had gathered to call for the release of those who were arrested.

"I don't care if somebody decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy's or a Nike because that makes sure that that person eats. That makes sure that that person has clothes," Atkins said, according to NBC Chicago.

"That's reparations. That is reparations. Anything they want to take, take it because these businesses have insurance. They're going to get their money back. My people aren't getting anything."

Atkins also hit back at Rev. Jesse Jackson, who tweeted earlier on Monday that the looting that had taken place in Chicago was "morally wrong."

He wrote: "This act of pillaging, robbing & looting in Chicago was humiliating, embarrassing &morally wrong. It must not be associated with our quest for social justice and equality."

But Atkins maintained that Jackson "has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter."

She added: "Jesse Jackson was not there for the creation of Black Lives Matter. Jesse Jackson can keep his opinions to himself."

During a news conference on Monday, Chicago Police Supt. David Brown said more than 400 officers had been deployed to stop the mass looting and unrest that broke out in the hours after police shot a man in the Englewood neighborhood on Chicago's South Side on Sunday.

He said more than 100 people were arrested for charges including looting, disorderly conduct and battery against police.

Authorities said misinformation circulated that the person shot on Sunday was a child and social media posts had encouraged looting.

Police identified the man as Latrell Allen, 20, and said he was shot after opening fire on officers first. They said a gun was recovered at the scene.

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot condemned the looting during a news conference on Monday.

"These were not poor people engaged in petty theft to feed themselves and their families. This was straight up felony criminal conduct," she said. "This was an assault on our city."

In a statement, Black Lives Matter Chicago condemned Lightfoot for reserving her criticism for looters and not for the officers who shot a Black man.

"The mayor clearly has not learned anything since May, and she would be wise to understand that the people will keep rising up until the CPD is abolished and our Black communities are fully invested in," it said, referring to the unrest in the city that broke out in the wake of George Floyd's death in Minneapolis.

The statement added: "Over the past few months, too many people—disproportionately Black and Brown—have lost their jobs, lost their income, lost their homes, and lost their lives as the city has done nothing and the Chicago elite have profited.

"When protesters attack high-end retail stores that are owned by the wealthy and service the wealthy, that is not "our" city and has never been meant for us.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:14 am I just don't understand a US holiday for a guy who wasn't from this country, who never set foot in what was to become the United States. If the Italians want to have a holiday celebrating him, good with me...but why the United States.
If you don’t like it, just ignore it. Move on with your day to day life. It shouldn’t affect you this much.

Your post also oozes with racism.
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Another racial hoax perpetuated by Democrats falls on its face when the truth comes out. If racism is all around us, why does the media and the left need to make up countless stories that turn out to be hoaxes? It’s because they are the true racists.

Email reveals DHS Secretary Mayorkas was alerted by DHS' top public affairs official that the "whipping" narrative behind horseback BP photos wasn't true, but at a WH press conference 2.5 hours later, he didn't refute that narrative, instead calling the images "horrifying".

The email was sent to Mayorkas and other DHS officials by Marsha Espinosa, assistant secretary of public affairs for DHS. It was sent hours after President Biden falsely accused the agents of “strapping” migrants and promised they would “pay”, and hours before Mayorkas’ presser.

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Apparently there is a vicious anti-white racial bias at work among Democrats and apparently people like me. :roll:
We're the true racists. :roll:

The Fox piece is nonsensical logic, but of course, there are many who eat it up.

No migrants were struck by the reins being whirled, according to the Border Patrol, which may or may not be true (let's assume true)...but that's not the necessary point of what bothered folks. Riders on horseback don't use that motion to control their horses, they do it when they're herding cattle. The whirling reins are scary to the animals being herded, not the horse. Likewise, the use of the horses was the same as when herding cattle.

This needn't mean that the BP riders were conscious that what they were doing had the look of treatment of cattle...or slaves...nor that they themselves have any individual racial issues...but the appearance of the use of power in that way was indeed alarming and offensive. Not ok.

Some of the hyperbolic reaction was indeed over the top (IMO) but sentiments about how people were being treated at the border, without dignity, run hot.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:22 am Apparently there is a vicious anti-white racial bias at work among Democrats and apparently people like me. :roll:
We're the true racists. :roll:

The Fox piece is nonsensical logic, but of course, there are many who eat it up.

No migrants were struck by the reins being whirled, according to the Border Patrol, which may or may not be true (let's assume true)...but that's not the necessary point of what bothered folks. Riders on horseback don't use that motion to control their horses, they do it when they're herding cattle. The whirling reins are scary to the animals being herded, not the horse. Likewise, the use of the horses was the same as when herding cattle.

This needn't mean that the BP riders were conscious that what they were doing had the look of treatment of cattle...or slaves...nor that they themselves have any individual racial issues...but the appearance of the use of power in that way was indeed alarming and offensive. Not ok.

Some of the hyperbolic reaction was indeed over the top (IMO) but sentiments about how people were being treated at the border, without dignity, run hot.
Versus a purposeful and deliberate attempt to intimidate a pro life citizen (and like minded people) by sending 30 FBI agents with automatic weapons and shields when the attorney for the accused offered a quiet surrender at the nearest FBI office. The hostility to religion on the left is breathtaking. The disparate treatment depending on your politics is a threat to a civil society.
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