Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:49 am Trump cuts things off before they happen with American competence.
You can't even come up with a good troll answer? Come on...show some imagination!
Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:49 am Trump cuts things off before they happen with American competence.
Proof is in the pudding.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:56 amEssexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:49 am Trump cuts things off before they happen with American competence.
You can't even come up with a good troll answer? Come on...show some imagination!
This is the game TrumpFans have been playing....claiming Putin would never have invaded under Trump.....forgetting that Trump's plan (which I supported) was to stay out of pointless wars on his watch.
Not true. Did you forget about wiping out ISIS? Or are you giving Obama credit for that?Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:08 pmProof is in the pudding.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:56 amEssexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:49 am Trump cuts things off before they happen with American competence.
You can't even come up with a good troll answer? Come on...show some imagination!
Trump
No new wars
Entirely true. Do you remember why? Global pandemic ring a bell anywhere?
Nope. All this tells me is that you didn't work during Covid. We had all sorts of supply issues, my man. The easy one for you would be the toilet paper shortage.
Yep. Next time, get vaccinated, just like Trump himself did. Problem solved.
All this tells me is that you don't know anyone in the military. How many troops do we have in Syria right now, Essex? Do you even know?
Don't tell Old Salt. Trump ruled over the height of your Deep State, remember?
Not even close, my man. Do you think that no one came to America illegally before Covid hit, Essex? Or heck...DURING Covid?
True. Remember why? How many people worked from home, globally, in 2020-21, Essex?
Uh oh. Someone "forgot" about all the trillions we spent bailing out American businesses during Covid.
Essex, come on, my man! You can troll better than this!! This is the best you can do?Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:32 pm Deficits are always huge when democrats have control of the pursestrings. Always a recession approx 2 years after democrats take congress
Do you love him? I mean, really love him?Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:08 pmProof is in the pudding.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:56 amEssexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:49 am Trump cuts things off before they happen with American competence.
You can't even come up with a good troll answer? Come on...show some imagination!
Trump
No new wars
Low inflation
Full shelves
Fewer Covid deaths
Fewer vaccine deaths
Higher stock market
Peace worldwide
An apolitical justice dept.
Secure border
Energy independence and low prices
No recessions
All due to Trumps genius, quickness, deal making, 5d talent, brazen honesty and lack of DC loser weaknesses.
I admire his genius, quickness and 5d chess.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:29 pmDo you love him? I mean, really love him?Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:08 pmProof is in the pudding.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:56 amEssexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:49 am Trump cuts things off before they happen with American competence.
You can't even come up with a good troll answer? Come on...show some imagination!
Trump
No new wars
Low inflation
Full shelves
Fewer Covid deaths
Fewer vaccine deaths
Higher stock market
Peace worldwide
An apolitical justice dept.
Secure border
Energy independence and low prices
No recessions
All due to Trumps genius, quickness, deal making, 5d talent, brazen honesty and lack of DC loser weaknesses.
You're absolutely right.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:51 pm I think we were warned not to feed trolls...
But, hey, Petey and Essex...one troll, two names.
Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:11 pmYou're absolutely right.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:51 pm I think we were warned not to feed trolls...
But, hey, Petey and Essex...one troll, two names.
He did. Obama was President in 2014 when Russia seized Ukraine & a big chunk of the Donbas.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:45 amYeah, that's not what I asked. Why didn't Putin invade Ukraine under Obama?Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:44 amHe invaded Georgia under Obama.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:42 amEssexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:42 am Once Putin felt safe to invade when Trump wasn’t running things he did.You understand that these two statements don't go together, right? Now remember, Trump is the guy who had the slogan "America First". I'm assuming you know what that slogan meant, yeah?Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:42 am Putin isn’t going to “lose”. Any logical person knew that from the beginning. It’s either victory or a tie with the world all dead.
To wit: what is you think Trump would have done if Putin had invaded Ukraine on his watch?
No. He didn't. Obama and Democrats are weak, right? So explain why Putin didn't simply invade Ukraine when Obama was in charge.
Did he lose the key fob for his tank?
And what would Trump have done had Putin invaded? Pretty simple questions, Essex.
Ukraine is not without blame. Every nation has a responsibility to defend itself & to deter aggressors.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:53 amYup, you've said it again...it's Ukraine's fault.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:12 amThat's a historically stupid analogy. In 1939, there was no NATO.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:17 pmI’m sure Neville Chamberlain thought the same.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:04 pmInsanity. Not worth the risk, or even the cost of "victory".DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:00 pmRussia must lose this war.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:49 pm The Russians who do the fighting & dying are not the city kids & the middle class kids.
Just like in the US, they're the poor kids & the country kids.
Zelensky had to trick his conscripts into staying home by assuring them there would be no invasion,
then closing the border to keep military age males from departing.
This is a senseless war, causing a global recession, being funded by US taxpayers, to determine who controls Crimea & the corridor connecting it to Mother Russia & guaranteeing Russian access to the Black Sea. It's as senseless as the last CrImean War was.
Russians have long memories. They won't soon forget the part the US is playing in generating their casualties.
Our support of our Ukrainian proxies has brought us to the brink of nuclear war with Russia, ...for what vital US interest ?
None of us are qualified to predict what Putin will do. Our leaders & their advisors don't have a reassuring track record in that regard.
Russia must be humiliated in defeat.
Russia must suffer for a long time.
Appeasement, which is precisely what you are proposing, will not stop Putin’s wars.
Only a complete defeat of Russia will stop Putin’s wars.
Only a complete defeat of Russia will end Putin.
DocBarrister
DocBarrister
We've been reinforcing NATO's E flank since 2014 & preparing Ukraine to defend themselves.
We have already guaranteed Ukraine's national survival. They may lose some territory they failed to defend.
They had over 20 years to prepare for their own defense & failed to do so.
and NATO's...
The Russians have long memories...and Ukraine isn't a sovereign country...Russia is...
got it.
that’s it?old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:01 pmUkraine is not without blame. Every nation has a responsibility to defend itself & to deter aggressors.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:53 amYup, you've said it again...it's Ukraine's fault.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:12 amThat's a historically stupid analogy. In 1939, there was no NATO.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:17 pmI’m sure Neville Chamberlain thought the same.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:04 pmInsanity. Not worth the risk, or even the cost of "victory".DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:00 pmRussia must lose this war.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:49 pm The Russians who do the fighting & dying are not the city kids & the middle class kids.
Just like in the US, they're the poor kids & the country kids.
Zelensky had to trick his conscripts into staying home by assuring them there would be no invasion,
then closing the border to keep military age males from departing.
This is a senseless war, causing a global recession, being funded by US taxpayers, to determine who controls Crimea & the corridor connecting it to Mother Russia & guaranteeing Russian access to the Black Sea. It's as senseless as the last CrImean War was.
Russians have long memories. They won't soon forget the part the US is playing in generating their casualties.
Our support of our Ukrainian proxies has brought us to the brink of nuclear war with Russia, ...for what vital US interest ?
None of us are qualified to predict what Putin will do. Our leaders & their advisors don't have a reassuring track record in that regard.
Russia must be humiliated in defeat.
Russia must suffer for a long time.
Appeasement, which is precisely what you are proposing, will not stop Putin’s wars.
Only a complete defeat of Russia will stop Putin’s wars.
Only a complete defeat of Russia will end Putin.
DocBarrister
DocBarrister
We've been reinforcing NATO's E flank since 2014 & preparing Ukraine to defend themselves.
We have already guaranteed Ukraine's national survival. They may lose some territory they failed to defend.
They had over 20 years to prepare for their own defense & failed to do so.
and NATO's...
The Russians have long memories...and Ukraine isn't a sovereign country...Russia is...
got it.
Ukraine was negligent in that regard. That's why nations like Israel & S Korea (to name 2) still exist.
We help them because they made a good faith effort to defend themselves. Ukraine did not.
They let Russia seize territory in 2014 & failed to deter or adequately defend against an invasion 8 years later.
Ukraine is an artificial construct. An accident of SovIet history with illogical indefensible borders.
...that could also be the German economy this winter.