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44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:57 pm
It seems to me that everybody is focusing on why the Clemsons of the ACC might want to get out. What about the Wakes of the ACC who will want every drop of blood the contract entitles them to?
Plus Clemson isn’t safe. The SEC won’t take 2 teams in South Carolina. Big Ten doesn’t want the tiny media market. Florida State is probably the only take. Unc and Uva besides being trapped by GOR are also trapped together with VT and NCst not able to be left in an inferior conference politically.
It’s really interesting
You don’t know what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I’m talking about.
Reality for the ACC is not so bad. It’s just way below the B1G and SEC but on par with all the other conferences .
So why would they stay in it. I’ll be waiting for the ADs at these schools and board of directors to say “the ACC is not so bad” just be happy with what you have.
Because they are all stuck as long as most schools in the deal are in better shape than they would be without it. For different reasons none of the schools other than Florida State and Notre Dame bring value that doesn’t lower the payout for member schools of the SEC and B1G. The B1G is only considering Stanford and Washington for the #6 media market and late game time zone for all day Saturday football .. also huge research institutions. I’ve also heard Colorado for mountain time zone and the mountain region. The ACC is out of the picture value wise and GOR among other reasons like Va and NC split media between 2 major schools with Ncsu and VT having larger alumni and better football than Unc and Uva. Florida State is a valuable school with Florida being such a huge state and Florida already safe in the SEC. I wouldn’t be surprised if Texas and Florida end up in the B1G eventually because the money is better and the schools are more aligned academically and research oriented.
Healthy conferences are not held together through GOR provisions.
If any of the top ACC football brand schools are unhappy (Clemson, FSU, Miami), then none of the ACC schools should be happy.
And I can’t imagine any of the big ACC football schools are happy. Clemson is not going to be happy bringing in a small fraction of what Notre Dame and Alabama are bringing in. FSU can’t be happy that it will be getting something like a half or less of the money Florida is bringing in.
The traditional ACC basketball schools won’t be happy either. What if some Big Ten or SEC teams decide to use their financial advantage to hire away the best basketball coaches in the ACC?
The GOR is not going to resolve all of this either. Let’s say Clemson, FSU, and Miami decide to leave the ACC but don’t want to pay the penalty outlined in the GOR. They preemptively file a lawsuit against the ACC in a state court in Tallahassee which … oh, golly gee … happens to be the hometown of FSU. By filing first, Clemson, FSU, and Miami will be able to choose the venue of their choice.
Now, I would probably estimate (conservatively), that the pre-trial costs and fees of such a suit are going to exceed $20 million. Probably at least another $10 million for the trial. The inevitable appeal(s) will take years and millions more. Does the ACC really want to pick such a fight in FSU’s hometown where even the judge is probably an FSU fan?
No, they would reach some sort of monetary settlement that would not cost anywhere near what the GOR would require.
If the ACC and its members are wise, the conference and its members would do everything they need to do to keep the major ACC football schools happy. That would probably require a renegotiation of the ACC media deal with ESPN (and maybe others), probably dropping the onerous GOR provisions and working towards the goal of closing the revenue gap with the SEC and Big Ten.
That could take some time to work out and may even require affiliations or agreements with other conferences (e.g., the PAC-12).
In the meantime, ACC schools may agree to an interim “imbalanced revenue distribution” that the ACC commissioner discussed over the summer where non-football powers like UVA, UNC, and Duke agree to surrender something like $1 million of their annual revenue distribution and then give that pooled money to football powers like Clemson, FSU, and Miami, keeping them satisfied for the time being.
One thing you won’t see the ACC do is keep things the same and watch their conference fall far behind the Big Ten and SEC.
Again, healthy conferences are not held together through GOR provisions.
Something’s gotta give.
DocBarrister