January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

[Farfromgeneva]

Roll your eyes at this.

https://www.vox.com/2021/5/25/22445422/ ... filibuster

Any bipartisan January 6 commission is probably doomed

...the chances for such a commission are imperiled. A bill to establish it passed the House last Wednesday with support from every Democrat and 35 Republicans. But most others in the GOP, including party leaders, have come out strongly against the bill, with the party’s senators planning a filibuster.

Republicans have evidently calculated that such a commission’s findings would likely hurt their party’s electoral prospects.

But even if a deal does somehow come together, there are real reasons to doubt whether such a commission would achieve anything substantial.

There’s nothing magical about this proposed bipartisan commission — it would have the same formal powers as any ordinary congressional committee looking into the matter. In fact, its requirement for bipartisan support to issue subpoenas means it could well be less aggressive at unearthing new information than, say, a Democratic-only House committee investigation could be.

Its hoped-for advantage would instead be in the realm of messaging. The idea is that if such a body is deemed above politics, it could deliver an assessment of what happened that would be viewed as credible by both sides, shaping a national narrative.

This second aim is what supporters of a January 6 commission are really hoping to achieve. The hope is that, if the reasonable Republicans and Democrats could only get together, they could reach consensus and sagely explain how and why the Capitol was stormed, and how the US can stop something like it from happening again.

It’s a doomed hope.

The sunny view of bipartisan commissions is that members of both parties boldly manage to put politics aside and do the right thing for the country. The more cynical and probably more realistic way to look at them is that politics never truly leaves the process — especially when the issue has serious electoral implications for both parties.

The storming of the Capitol is an issue with very different partisan dynamics, and it’s difficult to imagine what a “balanced” report on it could look like. Any broad and serious assessment of what happened only has a realistic chance of making one party — the party of Donald Trump — look bad. And Republicans have been very clear that, for electoral reasons, they don’t want to do this.

In practice, the commission would spotlight an issue that divides the GOP
Even though Republicans would likely be able to prevent a bipartisan 1/6 commission from achieving much of substance, they’d really prefer not to have one at all.

That’s because, as Thune admitted above and as Liz Cheney’s ouster shows, party strategists view any discussion of Trump’s attempt to overturn the election result as a harmful issue for their party at this point. They want to make the 2022 elections about Biden and Democrats, not Trump.

Democrats, meanwhile, have electoral incentives to try and keep the storming of the Capitol in the news however they can. “Democrats should spend every day tying all of it to the Republican Party,” political consultant James Carville recently told my colleague Sean Illing. (McConnell has reportedly been sharing that interview to argue that Democrats are motivated by politics here.)

So if electoral and messaging advantage is the true goal, the commission would still be worthwhile for Democrats. But feel-good bipartisanship isn’t in the cards, and fact-finding would probably be difficult too if the Republican commissioners agree to vote as a bloc against any controversial subpoenas.

Do Democrats have fallback options if the bill doesn’t pass?
In any event, theories of how such a commission would play out are probably moot, unless there’s a surprising sudden shift in Senate Republicans’ thinking.

Currently, there are a few Senate Republicans, like Susan Collins (R-ME) and Mitt Romney (R-UT), who sound open to supporting a changed version of the bill (Collins wants the staff to be bipartisan, and Romney wants to ensure that they’ll finish by their end-of-year deadline). Many others, though, are dug in firmly against the idea and seem immovable. So the current betting is that the 10 GOP votes needed to overcome a filibuster will not materialize.

What, then, can Democrats do instead?

It’s useful again to remember the two main things such a commission can do — fact-finding and narrative-shaping.

As far as formal fact-finding powers go, a congressional committee can do everything a bipartisan commission can do; namely, it can hold hearings and issue subpoenas. One advantage the commission might have is unified focus on one topic — but that could also be achieved by establishing a special “select committee” to investigate January 6, as House Republicans did for Benghazi.

And when it comes to shaping the narrative, it does seem that congressional committees would, more likely, be deemed partisan by the media, as compared to a special bipartisan commission. But the hope to establish one consensus national narrative around the events of January 6 was always a pipe dream.

Most Republican voters now inhabit an information environment dominated by conservative media outlets like Fox and social media similarly designed to tell them what they want to hear. Acknowledging that reality, the most Democrats may be able to do is push on forward, trying to gather facts and make a public case to their best of their ability — on their own.

This is the post quoting me (from nearly 3 mos age), which sucked me back into this thread.
Had I not received a notification telling me I was quoted, I would not even have opened this stupid thread.

I only posted an eye roll because you suggested it. You posted that long diatribe. TL/DR. Lay off the geritrol.

Why are you trolling me now, with a 3 mos old post, which was accurate? There was no bi-partisan commission.
You seem disoriented. Don't cross the street alone.

I made no reference to any commission. I did post an eye roll because you suggested it. You are confused. Could be a UTI.

Have to wipe well

[old salt]

Roll your eyes at this.
https://www.vox.com/2021/5/25/22445422/ ... filibuster

Any bipartisan January 6 commission is probably doomed

I don't get it. You seem to be proud that your party has no intention of holding Trump or others responsible for Jan 6th? And to let him waltz into the White House again because Republicans have lost their sense of honor and morals.

A man you called "unfit for office".

How bad do you want Trump to run in 2024? Because that's what you're asking for....you get that, right?

You deduce all that from me pointing out that a select committee is different from a bi-partisan commission ?

Dust off your Magic 8 Ball.

Then stop doing playing this game.

Why the F did you go to all the trouble to diminish what the Committee is doing? If you don't want us to infer stuff? Stop implying stuff, OS. I promise your idea that everyone is putting words in your mouth will go away.

But as you and I both know.....most of the time? You do this on purpose. You're throwing stones at those who are trying to help Americans see what a dangerous POS Trump is.....so don't clutch pearls when we ask you why you keep stumping for Trump.

The appropriate label was applied a while back, which is bad faith.

Bad faith is pulling out a 3 month old post that has nothing to do with the current discussion.

[Farfromgeneva]

Roll your eyes at this.
https://www.vox.com/2021/5/25/22445422/ ... filibuster

Any bipartisan January 6 commission is probably doomed

I don't get it. You seem to be proud that your party has no intention of holding Trump or others responsible for Jan 6th? And to let him waltz into the White House again because Republicans have lost their sense of honor and morals.

A man you called "unfit for office".

How bad do you want Trump to run in 2024? Because that's what you're asking for....you get that, right?

You deduce all that from me pointing out that a select committee is different from a bi-partisan commission ?

Dust off your Magic 8 Ball.

Then stop doing playing this game.

Why the F did you go to all the trouble to diminish what the Committee is doing? If you don't want us to infer stuff? Stop implying stuff, OS. I promise your idea that everyone is putting words in your mouth will go away.

But as you and I both know.....most of the time? You do this on purpose. You're throwing stones at those who are trying to help Americans see what a dangerous POS Trump is.....so don't clutch pearls when we ask you why you keep stumping for Trump.

The appropriate label was applied a while back, which is bad faith.

Bad faith is pulling out a 3 month old post that has nothing to do with the current discussion.

Which he apologized for as a mistake. And then you declared victim hood because someone piled on and you get beat up so much..

Bad faith is habitual and intentional.

Literally what you’re claiming does not fit the definition of bad faith.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/22/politics ... index.html

Wasn’t this guy invited to speak at a Republican conference recently?

Anyone watching the Ken Burns documentary?

Deplorable

[CU88]

What the heck?!?

The White House switchboard connected a call to a rioter while the Capitol was under siege on January 6, 2021, according to former January 6 committee staffer Denver Riggleman.

“I only know one end of that call,” Riggleman said.

https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/15 ... 4281312273

DEPLORABLE TREASON

[Typical Lax Dad]

What the heck?!?

The White House switchboard connected a call to a rioter while the Capitol was under siege on January 6, 2021, according to former January 6 committee staffer Denver Riggleman.

“I only know one end of that call,” Riggleman said.

https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/15 ... 4281312273

DEPLORABLE TREASON

Folks that have taken an oath to defend this country yawn…

[ardilla secreta]

Another one bites the dust
QAnon follower who chased officer on January 6 convicted of felonies
Douglas Jensen could face more than 50 years in prison after federal jury found him guilty

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... SApp_Other

[Seacoaster(1)]

A former North Carolina "OathKeeper" is a witness in the seditious conspiracy trial of Rhodes and others. Among other things, he -- John Zimmerman -- testified that Stewart Rhodes claimed to be in contact with a Secret Service agent. That's a nice thought.

And they deleted their text messages for January 5 and 6. I don't want to go all "Mike Flynn," but that combo is pretty weird.

[MDlaxfan76]

A former North Carolina "OathKeeper" is a witness in the seditious conspiracy trial of Rhodes and others. Among other things, he -- John Zimmerman -- testified that Stewart Rhodes claimed to be in contact with a Secret Service agent. That's a nice thought.

And they deleted their text messages for January 5 and 6. I don't want to go all "Mike Flynn," but that combo is pretty weird.

Very...Secret Service...

[dislaxxic]

Inching closer to the seditious conspirator Orange Quack and henchmen like Roger Stone.

When will more be written/exposed about this so-called "war room"? There's some serious criminal behavior going on there, it would seem...

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[PizzaSnake]

A former North Carolina "OathKeeper" is a witness in the seditious conspiracy trial of Rhodes and others. Among other things, he -- John Zimmerman -- testified that Stewart Rhodes claimed to be in contact with a Secret Service agent. That's a nice thought.

And they deleted their text messages for January 5 and 6. I don't want to go all "Mike Flynn," but that combo is pretty weird.

Very...Secret Service...

Very SS.

[Seacoaster(1)]

Today, 1:00 PM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQvuBoL ... hCommittee

[Bandito]

Today, 1:00 PM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQvuBoL ... hCommittee

This is what you are focused on today? Trespassing and rioting that happened nearly 2 years ago, most of it staged by FBI agents, Antifa and the like? This is so out of touch with what the majority of Americans are concerned about today. Those concerns today include: the recession we are in, the failing Biden economy, sky high inflation, the invasion at our southern border, learning the truth about COVID, Big Tech censorship, sky high gas and utility prices, and much more. This is why Democrats will get crushed at the midterms. Democrats are so obsessed with Trump they are suffering from severe mental illness. This is a prime example.

[Seacoaster(1)]

Today, 1:00 PM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQvuBoL ... hCommittee

This is what you are focused on today? Trespassing and rioting that happened nearly 2 years ago, most of it staged by FBI agents, Antifa and the like? This is so out of touch with what the majority of Americans are concerned about today. Those concerns today include: the recession we are in, the failing Biden economy, sky high inflation, the invasion at our southern border, learning the truth about COVID, Big Tech censorship, sky high gas and utility prices, and much more. This is why Democrats will get crushed at the midterms. Democrats are so obsessed with Trump they are suffering from severe mental illness. This is a prime example.

I'm "focused" on a lot of things today, Little Frito. This is one of the things I am taking in. And your comments leave me with a few observations:

The FBI/Antifa/BLM staged the January 6 assault on the Capitol and effort to impede the peaceful transfer? Complete bullsh*t. If you believe it, you are a complete moron. If you don't and you're just saying it here, you are engaged in an effort to misinform people, and a trolling moron.

The economy? A non-moron would understand that the current economy is actually pretty healthy; efforts by the administration to help the economy have been effective, but have the effect of being inflationary. Governments are invested with the tools to manage this, but it is complicated on a national or international level.

There is no "invasion on the southern border." Moronic misinformation.

You are a right wing bullet point regurgitator -- vomiter. Moron vomiter. That works.

[a fan]

This is so out of touch with what the majority of Americans are concerned about today.

And what's your plan to fix these things, Bandito?

Let me guess: more spending. More Government. More borrowing. And my personal favorite, cutting my taxes and making guys like you pay them for me.

That about it, Bandito?

Big Tech censorship

No such thing. You see, Bandito....when you own a media company in the US, you get to print whatever the F you want.

Until commies like you came along, and want to tell business what they can and can't print. Or worst, forcing business to print what YOU or the government wants you to print.

You're a lefty, Bandito. But you're too ideologically barren to understand that. You and the rest of the band of merry morons think that you get to tell FoxNews and the NYPost what they HAVE to print. This is communist control of the media, my man, where "the people" (the government) get to tell the media what they print.

Hard pass, comrade. Se

This is why Democrats will get crushed at the midterms. Democrats are so obsessed with Trump they are suffering from severe mental illness. This is a prime example.

Great. Vote your team in. They'll do nothing about it, outside of making government bigger than ever. it's HILARIOUS that you like that.

[Bandito]

This is so out of touch with what the majority of Americans are concerned about today.

And what's your plan to fix these things, Bandito?

Let me guess: more spending. More Government. More borrowing. And my personal favorite, cutting my taxes and making guys like you pay them for me.

That about it, Bandito?

Big Tech censorship

No such thing. You see, Bandito....when you own a media company in the US, you get to print whatever the F you want.

Until commies like you came along, and want to tell business what they can and can't print. Or worst, forcing business to print what YOU or the government wants you to print.

You're a lefty, Bandito. But you're too ideologically barren to understand that. You and the rest of the band of merry morons think that you get to tell FoxNews and the NYPost what they HAVE to print. This is communist control of the media, my man, where "the people" (the government) get to tell the media what they print.

Hard pass, comrade. Se

This is why Democrats will get crushed at the midterms. Democrats are so obsessed with Trump they are suffering from severe mental illness. This is a prime example.

Great. Vote your team in. They'll do nothing about it, outside of making government bigger than ever. it's HILARIOUS that you like that.

I would do the exact opposite of what Biden and the Democrats are doing right now. So simple, even a caveman can understand that. Except for you! You, Biden and Fetterman should hang out! Would be hard to tell who’s who! Make sure to wear a hat so it’ll be harder for Biden to smell your hair.

[a fan]

I would do the exact opposite of what Biden and the Democrats are doing right now.

You are SUCH a bad troll.

You have no clue how to "fix" any of this. Just like the rest of your party. So you're gonna do what you always do: make government bigger, borrow more money, cut taxes for the rich, and go on a spending spree....just as I told you. Rinse. Repeat.


But sure, by all means, cut my taxes again, Bandito. I'll take yet another family vacation next year.

Listen: I REALLY appreciate that you and your family think it's a sooper idea to pay my taxes for me. If I liked boats, I'd name one after you, Bandito!!

[Seacoaster(1)]

Looks like the Secret Service was completely aware of impending violence and threats to the Vice President, and failed to tell anyone except perhaps Meadows and Trump. And that the violence on January 6 was pretty much exactly what the information given to the Secret Service foretold.

Now I'm wondering why the USSS could have destroyed all those text messages and call logs? Weird, right?

[a fan]

Looks like the Secret Service was completely aware of impending violence and threats to the Vice President, and failed to tell anyone except perhaps Meadows and Trump. And that the violence on January 6 was pretty much exactly what the information given to the Secret Service foretold.

Now I'm wondering why the USSS could have destroyed all those text messages and call logs? Weird, right?

Notice not one of the forum's Deep Staters has said a thing about this.

They don't care. Because of course they don't.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Looks like the Secret Service was completely aware of impending violence and threats to the Vice President, and failed to tell anyone except perhaps Meadows and Trump. And that the violence on January 6 was pretty much exactly what the information given to the Secret Service foretold.

Now I'm wondering why the USSS could have destroyed all those text messages and call logs? Weird, right?

Old Sage is out walking the dog.