Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

[Seacoaster(1)]

They were taken to AFB Cape Cod in Bourne, on the mainland because it has better facilities than Vineyard Haven. Anyone with a brain and moral compass understands this. It is remarkable to me that you folks cannot just concede that using human beings as pawns and props in a political conflict is just cruel and disgraceful -- all for the purpose of "clever" tweets (Cruz: "Nantucket next?"). You just stick with your team, which appears to support a crude, cruel and vulgar world. It's endlessly sad.

....and you can not see the irony that what has taken place at MV, even on such a small scale, is what is happening daily, magnified by 1000 in southern cities of the US. You just do not get it, and maybe that is b/c it does not inconvenience you in the least, so its much easier to just try and insult others.

Curious....can you walk on to AFB Cape Cod as a US Citizen?

You are missing my point in an effort to make your own. I completely understand that immigration is a sh*t show and that towns and cities and people along the border in particular are under a type of pressure I cannot understand. And I understand that both political parties, when given the opportunity via a majority (maybe putting aside the 60 vote requirement in the Senate), failed to either act or push legislation to the President's desk.

I am only talking about what is right and wrong about using vulnerable people as props for political advertisements (you know that Desantis sent a videographer along with them....) and political statements and tweets. It is the sh*ttiness of this expensive prank, at a human level, that I find unbelievably disappointing.

One State's governor hires a round-up crew to get immigrants to board a plane in another state (and not even an adjacent state), which flies to a third state. They passengers are given incorrect and incomplete information, and are induced to get on a plane, and dropped off 1800 miles away. All to generate a political statement by the governor of a state that had to go get the human cargo in a non-adjacent state.

You make it clear YA, that JC is your co-pilot. You think He's OK with this?

[youthathletics]

They were taken to AFB Cape Cod in Bourne, on the mainland because it has better facilities than Vineyard Haven. Anyone with a brain and moral compass understands this. It is remarkable to me that you folks cannot just concede that using human beings as pawns and props in a political conflict is just cruel and disgraceful -- all for the purpose of "clever" tweets (Cruz: "Nantucket next?"). You just stick with your team, which appears to support a crude, cruel and vulgar world. It's endlessly sad.

....and you can not see the irony that what has taken place at MV, even on such a small scale, is what is happening daily, magnified by 1000 in southern cities of the US. You just do not get it, and maybe that is b/c it does not inconvenience you in the least, so its much easier to just try and insult others.

Curious....can you walk on to AFB Cape Cod as a US Citizen?

There is no location in Florida experiencing what border communities in Texas are dealing with. So please explain, why you give the governor of that state a free pass on injecting himself into an issue that doesn't apply in his state...but feel free to also rationalize use of COVID government aid funds for a purpose for which it was not designed or even applicable.

Another item - back in 2021 GOP Governor and administration used Laughlin Air Force Base to house migrants temporarily - don't recall you chiming in even in your normal snarky way about that. Bases in TX were also used back in 2018 when your people where in charge. Where you you then, too?

Of course, people with whom you disagree don't get it. That's what you always say and why trying to have a discussion with you on just about any issue is futile. Pot meet kettle.

Who cares what state sent them, that is not the issue....but let's make it about Ron and Florida.

Actually I did. I even suggested using shutdown bases to keep them there until all the paperwork was in order, health was monitored, and maybe even a skill evaluation was run to help place them before they were released in to the states. But you be you and keep making things up.

Logical fallacy on your part. I find myself meeting in the middle quite often with MD, JHU, Afan, seacoaster and others.

[Typical Lax Dad]

It’s smart politics to show the world how racist white liberals are.

Q. Why can’t the richest place on the east coast handle 50 refugees?

A. White liberals are the worst people on earth.

[Typical Lax Dad]

They were taken to AFB Cape Cod in Bourne, on the mainland because it has better facilities than Vineyard Haven. Anyone with a brain and moral compass understands this. It is remarkable to me that you folks cannot just concede that using human beings as pawns and props in a political conflict is just cruel and disgraceful -- all for the purpose of "clever" tweets (Cruz: "Nantucket next?"). You just stick with your team, which appears to support a crude, cruel and vulgar world. It's endlessly sad.

....and you can not see the irony that what has taken place at MV, even on such a small scale, is what is happening daily, magnified by 1000 in southern cities of the US. You just do not get it, and maybe that is b/c it does not inconvenience you in the least, so its much easier to just try and insult others.

Curious....can you walk on to AFB Cape Cod as a US Citizen?

There is no location in Florida experiencing what border communities in Texas are dealing with. So please explain, why you give the governor of that state a free pass on injecting himself into an issue that doesn't apply in his state...but feel free to also rationalize use of COVID government aid funds for a purpose for which it was not designed or even applicable.

Another item - back in 2021 GOP Governor and administration used Laughlin Air Force Base to house migrants temporarily - don't recall you chiming in even in your normal snarky way about that. Bases in TX were also used back in 2018 when your people where in charge. Where you you then, too?

Of course, people with whom you disagree don't get it. That's what you always say and why trying to have a discussion with you on just about any issue is futile. Pot meet kettle.

Who cares what state sent them, that is not the issue....but let's make it about Ron and Florida.

Actually I did. I even suggested using shutdown bases to keep them there until all the paperwork was in order, health was monitored, and maybe even a skill evaluation was run to help place them before they were released in to the states. But you be you and keep making things up.

Logical fallacy on your part. I find myself meeting in the middle quite often with MD, JHU, Afan, seacoaster and others.

You can’t cover up the stench with 1 out of 50 posts that suggest otherwise….it’s deceptive. That ain’t rain. It’s pee. And yes! a US citizen can walk on a USAFB. They do it every day….unless all those folk are really Chinese….

And Ron made it about Ron. That was the whole point…


But lets make it about reasonable immigration reform.

Devious

[get it to x]

Biden administration officials are now pressuring Mexico City to resettle migrants from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela as the border crisis escalates and crossings soar to record highs. Interesting that they don't want migrants fleeing socialism/communism. They only want the migrants they think will help facilitate their own socialist fever dreams.

Try the decaf next time.

Rebut the assertion next time.

[Kismet]

Biden administration officials are now pressuring Mexico City to resettle migrants from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela as the border crisis escalates and crossings soar to record highs. Interesting that they don't want migrants fleeing socialism/communism. They only want the migrants they think will help facilitate their own socialist fever dreams.

Try the decaf next time.

Rebut the assertion next time.

The assertion is specious IMHO as I doubt any of these migrants have any kind of a political agenda at this point in time. Nevertheless, feel free to cite a credible source for it and I'd be happy to see such and respond.

[get it to x]

Biden administration officials are now pressuring Mexico City to resettle migrants from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela as the border crisis escalates and crossings soar to record highs. Interesting that they don't want migrants fleeing socialism/communism. They only want the migrants they think will help facilitate their own socialist fever dreams.

Try the decaf next time.

Rebut the assertion next time.

The assertion is specious IMHO as I doubt any of these migrants have any kind of a political agenda at this point in time. Nevertheless, feel free to cite a credible source for it and I'd be happy to see such and respond.

It would only stand to reason that someone fleeing a system would not espouse it's principles in their new home. (See Miami Cubans),

[youthathletics]

And yes! a US citizen can walk on a USAFB. They do it every day….unless all those folk are really Chinese….

Such a troll. Get your chit straight....you can not just walk onto a base.

Joint Base Andrews: https://www.jba.af.mil/News/Article-Dis ... ss-policy/
Joint Base Cape Cod: https://www.massnationalguard.org/JBCC/access.html

[MDlaxfan76]

It’s smart politics to show the world how racist white liberals are.

Q. Why can’t the richest place on the east coast handle 50 refugees?

A. White liberals are the worst people on earth.

Petey/Essex are back...🧌

[Kismet]

Biden administration officials are now pressuring Mexico City to resettle migrants from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela as the border crisis escalates and crossings soar to record highs. Interesting that they don't want migrants fleeing socialism/communism. They only want the migrants they think will help facilitate their own socialist fever dreams.

Try the decaf next time.

Rebut the assertion next time.

The assertion is specious IMHO as I doubt any of these migrants have any kind of a political agenda at this point in time. Nevertheless, feel free to cite a credible source for it and I'd be happy to see such and respond.

It would only stand to reason that someone fleeing a system would not espouse it's principles in their new home. (See Miami Cubans),

Perhaps to your reasoning (sans evidence, or course). Might interest you to know that Orange Cheato's new lawyer was a registered agent for the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

As I surmised this is your personal opinion which you are entitled to. Have a nice day.

[Typical Lax Dad]

And yes! a US citizen can walk on a USAFB. They do it every day….unless all those folk are really Chinese….

Such a troll. Get your chit straight....you can not just walk onto a base.

Joint Base Andrews: https://www.jba.af.mil/News/Article-Dis ... ss-policy/
Joint Base Cape Cod: https://www.massnationalguard.org/JBCC/access.html

That wasn’t your question. Get your chit straight and ask the right question.

Eno Srk

[get it to x]

Biden administration officials are now pressuring Mexico City to resettle migrants from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela as the border crisis escalates and crossings soar to record highs. Interesting that they don't want migrants fleeing socialism/communism. They only want the migrants they think will help facilitate their own socialist fever dreams.

Try the decaf next time.

Rebut the assertion next time.

The assertion is specious IMHO as I doubt any of these migrants have any kind of a political agenda at this point in time. Nevertheless, feel free to cite a credible source for it and I'd be happy to see such and respond.

It would only stand to reason that someone fleeing a system would not espouse it's principles in their new home. (See Miami Cubans),

Perhaps to your reasoning (sans evidence, or course). Might interest you to know that Orange Cheato's new lawyer was a registered agent for the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

As I surmised this is your personal opinion which you are entitled to. Have a nice day.

Okay, so it is my opinion, based on unanswered questions. First question. In your pecking order, who should be a priority for asylum consideration. An economic migrant from Honduras or a political dissident from Cuba? After all every one of these entrants are reportedly going to have a hearing about their asylum claims. Why not expedite hearings for these Cubans, Nicaraguans and Venezuelans, once vetted? They better fit the definition of asylum seeker. Why do they have to remain in Mexico when Biden halted "Remain in Mexico"? See, I can think for myself, and don't need any expert to tell me something smells funny. In fact, the "Expert Class" is doing a bang up job screwing things up.

[Kismet]

Biden administration officials are now pressuring Mexico City to resettle migrants from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela as the border crisis escalates and crossings soar to record highs. Interesting that they don't want migrants fleeing socialism/communism. They only want the migrants they think will help facilitate their own socialist fever dreams.

Try the decaf next time.

Rebut the assertion next time.

The assertion is specious IMHO as I doubt any of these migrants have any kind of a political agenda at this point in time. Nevertheless, feel free to cite a credible source for it and I'd be happy to see such and respond.

It would only stand to reason that someone fleeing a system would not espouse it's principles in their new home. (See Miami Cubans),

Perhaps to your reasoning (sans evidence, or course). Might interest you to know that Orange Cheato's new lawyer was a registered agent for the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

As I surmised this is your personal opinion which you are entitled to. Have a nice day.

Okay, so it is my opinion, based on unanswered questions. First question. In your pecking order, who should be a priority for asylum consideration. An economic migrant from Honduras or a political dissident from Cuba? After all every one of these entrants are reportedly going to have a hearing about their asylum claims. Why not expedite hearings for these Cubans, Nicaraguans and Venezuelans, once vetted? They better fit the definition of asylum seeker. Why do they have to remain in Mexico when Biden halted "Remain in Mexico"? See, I can think for myself, and don't need any expert to tell me something smells funny. In fact, the "Expert Class" is doing a bang up job screwing things up.

First off, I have not suggested any pecking order. That's YOUR contention.
Just curious are you an immigration lawyer? and as such have detailed insight into the nuances of asylum law and policy? Certainly migrants from these countries are not the only ones seeking asylum currently or historically. Central Americans have been doing this drill for YEARS.

BTW you never supplied the source for your claim about the government's dealing with the Mexican government which supposes some sort of bias in processing asylum claims. Feel free to do so if you can.

For the record, I am all for ALL of the politicians to get together and negotiate meaningfully to deal with the problem in some fashion. It's on BOTH parties....and as a fan has pointed out forever around here neither side has ANY interest in dealing with the problem except to rail about it for political advantage. Conversely, in this case IMHO the point isn’t to solve a problem, it’s to create one.

[get it to x]

Biden administration officials are now pressuring Mexico City to resettle migrants from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela as the border crisis escalates and crossings soar to record highs. Interesting that they don't want migrants fleeing socialism/communism. They only want the migrants they think will help facilitate their own socialist fever dreams.

Try the decaf next time.

Rebut the assertion next time.

The assertion is specious IMHO as I doubt any of these migrants have any kind of a political agenda at this point in time. Nevertheless, feel free to cite a credible source for it and I'd be happy to see such and respond.

It would only stand to reason that someone fleeing a system would not espouse it's principles in their new home. (See Miami Cubans),

Perhaps to your reasoning (sans evidence, or course). Might interest you to know that Orange Cheato's new lawyer was a registered agent for the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

As I surmised this is your personal opinion which you are entitled to. Have a nice day.

Okay, so it is my opinion, based on unanswered questions. First question. In your pecking order, who should be a priority for asylum consideration. An economic migrant from Honduras or a political dissident from Cuba? After all every one of these entrants are reportedly going to have a hearing about their asylum claims. Why not expedite hearings for these Cubans, Nicaraguans and Venezuelans, once vetted? They better fit the definition of asylum seeker. Why do they have to remain in Mexico when Biden halted "Remain in Mexico"? See, I can think for myself, and don't need any expert to tell me something smells funny. In fact, the "Expert Class" is doing a bang up job screwing things up.

First off, I have not suggested any pecking order. That's YOUR contention.
Just curious are you an immigration lawyer? and as such have detailed insight into the nuances of asylum law and policy? Certainly migrants from these countries are not the only ones seeking asylum currently or historically. Central Americans have been doing this drill for YEARS.

BTW you never supplied the source for your claim about the government's dealing with the Mexican government which supposes some sort of bias in processing asylum claims. Feel free to do so if you can.

For the record, I am all for ALL of the politicians to get together and negotiate meaningfully to deal with the problem in some fashion. It's on BOTH parties....and as a fan has pointed out forever around here neither side has ANY interest in dealing with the problem except to rail about it for political advantage.

My source was Secretary Blinken:

https://nypost.com/2022/09/15/biden-qui ... -title-42/

FTA: "Secretary of State Antony Blinken raised concerns about the surge of migrants from those three countries during an official visit on Monday, two US and two Mexican officials told the wire service."

There will never be a deal as each party likes the issue too much. Way too much centralized power in this country vested in too few people.

[Kismet]

Biden administration officials are now pressuring Mexico City to resettle migrants from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela as the border crisis escalates and crossings soar to record highs. Interesting that they don't want migrants fleeing socialism/communism. They only want the migrants they think will help facilitate their own socialist fever dreams.

Try the decaf next time.

Rebut the assertion next time.

The assertion is specious IMHO as I doubt any of these migrants have any kind of a political agenda at this point in time. Nevertheless, feel free to cite a credible source for it and I'd be happy to see such and respond.

It would only stand to reason that someone fleeing a system would not espouse it's principles in their new home. (See Miami Cubans),

Perhaps to your reasoning (sans evidence, or course). Might interest you to know that Orange Cheato's new lawyer was a registered agent for the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

As I surmised this is your personal opinion which you are entitled to. Have a nice day.

Okay, so it is my opinion, based on unanswered questions. First question. In your pecking order, who should be a priority for asylum consideration. An economic migrant from Honduras or a political dissident from Cuba? After all every one of these entrants are reportedly going to have a hearing about their asylum claims. Why not expedite hearings for these Cubans, Nicaraguans and Venezuelans, once vetted? They better fit the definition of asylum seeker. Why do they have to remain in Mexico when Biden halted "Remain in Mexico"? See, I can think for myself, and don't need any expert to tell me something smells funny. In fact, the "Expert Class" is doing a bang up job screwing things up.

First off, I have not suggested any pecking order. That's YOUR contention.
Just curious are you an immigration lawyer? and as such have detailed insight into the nuances of asylum law and policy? Certainly migrants from these countries are not the only ones seeking asylum currently or historically. Central Americans have been doing this drill for YEARS.

BTW you never supplied the source for your claim about the government's dealing with the Mexican government which supposes some sort of bias in processing asylum claims. Feel free to do so if you can.

For the record, I am all for ALL of the politicians to get together and negotiate meaningfully to deal with the problem in some fashion. It's on BOTH parties....and as a fan has pointed out forever around here neither side has ANY interest in dealing with the problem except to rail about it for political advantage.

My source was Secretary Blinken:

https://nypost.com/2022/09/15/biden-qui ... -title-42/

FTA: "Secretary of State Antony Blinken raised concerns about the surge of migrants from those three countries during an official visit on Monday, two US and two Mexican officials told the wire service."

There will never be a deal as each party likes the issue too much. Way too much centralized power in this country vested in too few people.

thx for the link
a real unbiased source - the uber credible Murdoch's NY Post. which contains no statement of your assertion by Blinken but rather it seems the editors of the paper.

Thx for the discussion and I do agree with your last statement (which sadly is also not going to change in our lifetimes).

[a fan]

As I noted earlier, something good may very well come from all this and in the end Biden will receive all the credit. Wonder when the dossier is gonna drop?

Bingo ! It focuses attention on the lack of a coherent strategy to deal with this perpetual emergency situation & the disparate impact on the border states. Instead of airplanes & buses arriving in the middle of the night, we see residents of Martha Vineyard hugging migrants as they are shipped onward to a military base on Cape Cod. Biden can't sweep this under the rug or create a diversion. He"s forced to engage the problem.

You mean like Trump did, right? Oh yeah, we can't POSSIBLY sweep immigration reform under the rug or create a diversion like the one Trump used to fool Old Salt into thinking Trump solved the problem.

Here, let me help you: If R's were serious about fixing immigration? You better sit down....because this is SOOPER complicated.

You ready? They'd get to work, actually write an immigration reform bill, OS. They'd have it ready to go, ready for the Dems to debate in both Houses of Congress. And ready to go for this fall, when the R's take back both Houses of C.

The Republicans have done such a number on you and your fellow R voters, that you don't even know what the F real leadership, real problem solving, and real legislation looks like anymore. So they give you want you want: pointless political theatre, masquerading as legislation.

And you can't get enough of it.

Are there any empty beds in Aspen ?

Being that it's the shoulder season, probably. I wish DeSantis had thought of this in July. These folks were whisked off the island without having even gotten sand in their shoes. The elites really live their values.

Yep. They had a great chance to put their money and actions to good use, I guess all those signs in lawns @ MV in favor of tolerance where just that...just cheapness on display; instead, they revealed themselves. Now that Title 42 was shutdown by Biden, maybe we need Title 43, where no immigrants shall be transported to liberal elitists zip codes.

.... Afan

To counter your SOOPER complicated rebuttal to OS, I believe an even simpler solution, that was already in play by those wascally-wabbit republicans, was to put control on the border flow by funneling them towards legal entry...you know, like entry to a new home. Even that simple novel idea was fraught with slander by the opposition.

You guys are claiming the opposition wants open borders. Given this belief....why would you even pretend to care what they think?

Do you feel like the wall completion/expansion was just virtue signaling to Trumps base or an action to do something where a bi-partisan resolve was never going to happen.

Of course it was just virtue signalling!!! How many times did pundits explain to you that Trump talks to Americans as if they are 10 years old? And that this tactic works? Republicans understand what a wall is. So that's what Trump's pitch was. He's SO good at telling these people what they want to hear, I'll give him that much.

yea-yea....the rs had the majority for the first two years, we know that already. So why didn't they do something you are going to ask...hell team trump could barely figure out how to transition to office for the first 2-3 years {read "The Fifth Risk" }. And NO! I am not giving him a pass....

Yes, you are given them a pass...but you're giving the wrong group a pass.

Where does legislation start, YA? The White House? Or Congress? You let them DO NOTHING for four years, YA. All you got was a government that was 66% larger in just four years, and a massive handout to the global 1%ers with Trump's Massive tax cut. Did you and your fellow Republicans march in the street about this? And where the F did the Tea Party go?

You gave them a pass, just as you are giving future President DeSantis a pass here. I'll wager you right now, today, that if DeSantis gets elected POTUS he won't lift a finger to fix immigration and visas.....you know, the ACTUAL problem. And he wont' turn on Everify to stick it to the political donor class.

And you and Old Salt will smile and say "well, at least they're better than the Dems".

And the R's and D's in DC know that you'll do this, YA. At what point do you catch on that THE problem is that D and R voters don't hold their own leaders accountable for governance? What needs to happen for you to figure that out?

If you and FoxNation made yourselves one simple rule, you could change this country for the better almost overnight.

What's the rule? Simple: never EVER mention the Democrats/libs. ONLY talk about YOUR TEAM, and what they do when they're in power, OR, what their plans are when they get back in power.

Simple. And it would make America a far, far better place.

(this will NEVER happen....because stunts like what DeSantis pulled here are far too entertaining for you, and you'd rather have that).

And yep, this obviously applies to the Dems, too.

[a fan]

There will never be a deal as each party likes the issue too much.

Yep. Bingo.

[Typical Lax Dad]

There will never be a deal as each party likes the issue too much.

Yep. Bingo.

+1000. I have been saying it for years. That’s why the folks trying to rationalize what is nothing more than a publicity stunt for politicians are ridiculous if not shameful.

[Essexfenwick]

The massive shift of Hispanics to the right is a wonderful development. Makes sense since they are deeply Christian, work hard to get ahead, hate taxes, anti 57 genders, don’t trust government and pro life. It’s almost like a Trojan horse facial for the left.

[cradleandshoot]

It’s smart politics to show the world how racist white liberals are.

Q. Why can’t the richest place on the east coast handle 50 refugees?

A. White liberals are the worst people on earth.

Petey/Essex are back...🧌

If we can suffer through you we can suffer through Essex. Isn't Essex also a lifelong Republican??