Tru dat. +1wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:00 pmparents are absolutely the least objective parties (on both the thrilled and not-so-thrilled side) in the entire ecosystem other than the man in the mirror, and even that caveat is only true sometimes.Laxmaninamillion wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:02 pm You win best post I’ve read on here in a while. The freshman/Sophomore parent speak in this thread is getting old.
Yeah. Don’t listen to the parents of the kids who are in the room. Listen to fans.
Obviously there are sour grape posters but I love hearing from guys whose kids are in the program and can give me some idea of what to expect.
#facts
ok, that's not actually a fact, but it should be.
and by default, every program has them. they just don't all bust it out on a public message board.
I'm not so sure that I'd want to squelch participation on here, though. It does provide some insight to what may be happening internally with at least some of the players and their families.
And every once in awhile, that insight proves to be right on.
But thinking that the most vocal such are actually representative, much less objective, would typically be a mistake.
I know that when I was a parent of an active player I had much more insight into the inter-workings of his team, the coaches, the skill sets, attitude and health of various players than would the general fan or even involved alum...but objectivity is another matter!
I tried to stay away from direct critique or even innuendo, but when various posters were saying critical things, I provided some statistics for review...the #'s told the story for themselves and people could draw their own conclusions.
I grew more directly critical of some things after my son had graduated, yet I still had insights through other kids/families. These weren't benchwarmer situations where disgruntlement is a natural state for many (though in a great culture it's minimal). It was no surprise when there was wholesale turnover of staff a year and two years later.
Seems to me that Toomey is proven first rate, success ebbs and flows, finger pointing among bench warmers/families is typical when success ebbs, often the younger players' parents eager for kids to get more time. I think the comment about a couple more saves, an injury or two less, sounds right. But it all needs to line up near perfectly for a great season. And that's unlikely at Loyola for more than half the seasons. Which most programs would consider to be outstanding!