good mom!Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:54 amHe was a Gilman guy. I wish I could remember the wrestlers name. It will come to me. He loved telling those stories. Another Gilman buddy talks about his mom taking him to see that great Dunbar team play Calvert Hall in hoops….they were sitting in a McDonalds when someone came in and said “the game is sold out”. He thought it was impossible. I loved hearing those Baltimore stories before ever seeing the city.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:40 amDunbar was indeed a tough venue. Good wrestlers and they were very into it, packed crowd.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:17 pmA buddy that wrestled at always talked about wrestling against Baltimore Dunbar. He respected this guy that he said kicked his ass every year. He had good memories or wrestling there. I loved the stories…. As an aside, his brother dated his housekeeper’s daughter. She had brothers that grew to like him. Great family and he was a great friend. He changed my life. I told his father and his sister that very thing at his memorial service a couple of years ago.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:41 pmI'm with you on the media talking head flamers going too far, too fast...that said, I'd certainly have reported the story out. Serious story.DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 7:21 pmThat is what pizzes me off about the whole thing. You know full well that a story like this is going to blow up and the racism discussion is going to be front and center with heated commentators, talking heads, and race baiters. Do your diligence and fact check the story, find something that can confirm the story before releasing it. This thread is about media matters and it does, UofSC would be one example of why.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:56 pmI did watch the jerk and the guy is a flaming a-hole.DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:38 pm This aint the 70s when you had a bunch of white people on the air talkin' about BYU with kid gloves on, not wanting to address it with the fervor that it deserves. You're listening to brothas now...and sisters, who looked at one of our little sisters and said who the hell do y'all think y'all are?
Watched it for you. Stephen A., the influencer, viewed by and listened to by millions daily, fervently fueling the flame of racism on a well, it might have happened story. Rational thinkers can justify this.
Felt quite misogynistic too, going on about a black female singer, etc.
I agree that some of the media flamers went way too far as well.
No, TLD, no more than you do that she isn't.
Although I can watch the game and not see
or hear anything that she says happened, nor
can anyone else.
But don't go over board other than to condemn racist behavior more generally.
But where you lost me was in getting so wound up that you (and heck of a lot of the online comments) concluded that she is a liar...a whole bunch of that online was right away, at the outset doubting it happened...yet this crap happens with all too much frequency.
I continue to find her individually to be credible, and the incidence of misreporting these sorts of things is very low...so, my "bias" is to believe she heard what she says...who said it, or whether she could have even misheard...all possible to not have right...but not likely lying.
I've been on the opposite end of racist taunts way back when I was a youngster wrestling versus inner city Baltimore schools in the mid '70's, at the time nearly 100% black schools due to de facto segregation. The opposing wrestlers all seemed like great guys, no issues ever...but man, walking through the hallway to the gym...yikes, purposely intimidating. I didn't lose any of my matches, but it was a quite hostile environment multiple times...I wouldn't want any athlete to have to put up with such. On the other hand, I greatly appreciated the experience of the old MSA when city publics and privates competed head to head.
But I gotta tell you, it bothered me considerably more when a good friend of my dad's, an NCAA wrestler at UVA in his day, great guy (!), educator at a high level, revered by many, gave me two pieces of advice: the first was fine: when wrapping up a guy in a pinning combination, drive your head into the side of his (not a hit, just pressure into the soft spot), he'll be thinking about that pain instead of his shoulders. Second wasn't: 'when you shake hands, ask him whether his mom has any extra days'. I used the first piece of advice...never forgot the second. And this guy ran a university, later ran a high school coming out of retirement. Other than that, I never saw any evidence of racist views, but yikes.
I can't remember whether there or Walbrook or one of the other schools, but basement hallway from locker room to stairs up to gym was lined on both sides...Dunbar is a likely.
That said, it gave a bit of a flavor of what black athletes endured at times at away contests, though not at Gilman.
Always got along well with fellow athletes when we came together at tournaments, etc.
Dunbar had fabulous basketball teams for a good long stretch.