Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

[foreverlax]

OK critics. What's your solution to stem the flow of Northern Triangle migrants ?

Just let them stream into the US, roam free via catch & release, until we dump enough cash on the corrupt leaders of their countries, in the naive hope that things will improve enough in their home countries that they won't want to come to the US. That will never happen.

How long does this continue ? So long as we have catch & release, what's the motivation to stop ? How many millions more can we absorb ?

They're passing up asylum in Mexico. It they were legit asylum seekers, they'd accept asylum in Mexico.
They're economic migrants, coming to join friends & family already here, so they can send back remittances for more family members to follow.
How & when does it stop ?

Is this our immigration policy ? Just admit anyone who can make it to our border to tell a tale of credible fear, then just disappear into our undocumented population of millions ?

Lots of criticisms. No solutions. This is the same problem Obama encountered late in his term, which he could not correct. It's just grown as our economy has improved & the pull factor has increased.

Should not have to wait for comprehensive reform. Close the asylum loopholes & reduce the pull factor.
Then when the flow is stemmed, see how much border security we really need & rationalize the process to legitimize those already here.

It seems the ONLY person that knows our country's immigration policy is Stephen Miller....ask him what the plan is.

[CU88]

OK critics. What's your solution to stem the flow of Northern Triangle migrants ?

Just let them stream into the US, roam free via catch & release, until we dump enough cash on the corrupt leaders of their countries, in the naive hope that things will improve enough in their home countries that they won't want to come to the US. That will never happen.

How long does this continue ? So long as we have catch & release, what's the motivation to stop ? How many millions more can we absorb ?

They're passing up asylum in Mexico. It they were legit asylum seekers, they'd accept asylum in Mexico.
They're economic migrants, coming to join friends & family already here, so they can send back remittances for more family members to follow.
How & when does it stop ?

Is this our immigration policy ? Just admit anyone who can make it to our border to tell a tale of credible fear, then just disappear into our undocumented population of millions ?

Lots of criticisms. No solutions. This is the same problem Obama encountered late in his term, which he could not correct. It's just grown as our economy has improved & the pull factor has increased.

Should not have to wait for comprehensive reform. Close the asylum loopholes & reduce the pull factor.
Then when the flow is stemmed, see how much border security we really need & rationalize the process to legitimize those already here.

It seems the ONLY person that knows our country's immigration policy is Stephen Miller....ask him what the plan is.

The Plan = putting children into cages equals doing a good job; is very sad.....

[CU77]

Should not have to wait for comprehensive reform. Close the asylum loopholes & reduce the pull factor. Then when the flow is stemmed, see how much border security we really need & rationalize the process to legitimize those already here.

Follow the law until new laws are passed. Until then, follow the law.

I agree with both quoted statements.

The asylum laws are being used in a way never intended. IMO, asylum to anyone who arrives should be ended, period. Here I agree with Trump and the hard right. Unfortunately, Trump and the Rs are incompetent. They should have pushed this through when they controlled both the House and the Senate, ending the filibuster in the Senate if that proved necessary. But they didn't have the foresight, competence, and balls to do this. The Ds will never ever agree to anything like this, and now control the House, so that window is closed for now. It may re-open in 2020 if the Ds cannot come up with a coherent story of what to do with the continually-arriving asylum seekers.

[old salt]

OK critics. What's your solution to stem the flow of Northern Triangle migrants ?

Just let them stream into the US, roam free via catch & release, until we dump enough cash on the corrupt leaders of their countries, in the naive hope that things will improve enough in their home countries that they won't want to come to the US. That will never happen.

How long does this continue ? So long as we have catch & release, what's the motivation to stop ? How many millions more can we absorb ?

They're passing up asylum in Mexico. It they were legit asylum seekers, they'd accept asylum in Mexico.
They're economic migrants, coming to join friends & family already here, so they can send back remittances for more family members to follow.
How & when does it stop ?

Is this our immigration policy ? Just admit anyone who can make it to our border to tell a tale of credible fear, then just disappear into our undocumented population of millions ?

Lots of criticisms. No solutions. This is the same problem Obama encountered late in his term, which he could not correct. It's just grown as our economy has improved & the pull factor has increased.

Should not have to wait for comprehensive reform. Close the asylum loopholes & reduce the pull factor.
Then when the flow is stemmed, see how much border security we really need & rationalize the process to legitimize those already here.

It seems the ONLY person that knows our country's immigration policy is Stephen Miller....ask him what the plan is.

The Plan = putting children into cages equals doing a good job; is very sad.....

As expected. No solutions. Just mindless criticism.

Obama tried putting kids in cages. It didn't work -- the courts stopped him. The kids in cages photos that generated so much attention were from 2014.

Follow the law ? Watch the uproar when ICE starts tracking down & deporting the thousands of "asylum seekers" who blew off their court dates & are staying here illegally. Declare a national emergency & federalize the National Guard squads to apprehend them with an ICE agent.
Send video to tv stations

[foreverlax]

OK critics. What's your solution to stem the flow of Northern Triangle migrants ?

Just let them stream into the US, roam free via catch & release, until we dump enough cash on the corrupt leaders of their countries, in the naive hope that things will improve enough in their home countries that they won't want to come to the US. That will never happen.

How long does this continue ? So long as we have catch & release, what's the motivation to stop ? How many millions more can we absorb ?

They're passing up asylum in Mexico. It they were legit asylum seekers, they'd accept asylum in Mexico.
They're economic migrants, coming to join friends & family already here, so they can send back remittances for more family members to follow.
How & when does it stop ?

Is this our immigration policy ? Just admit anyone who can make it to our border to tell a tale of credible fear, then just disappear into our undocumented population of millions ?

Lots of criticisms. No solutions. This is the same problem Obama encountered late in his term, which he could not correct. It's just grown as our economy has improved & the pull factor has increased.

Should not have to wait for comprehensive reform. Close the asylum loopholes & reduce the pull factor.
Then when the flow is stemmed, see how much border security we really need & rationalize the process to legitimize those already here.

It seems the ONLY person that knows our country's immigration policy is Stephen Miller....ask him what the plan is.

The Plan = putting children into cages equals doing a good job; is very sad.....

As expected. No solutions. Just mindless criticism.

Obama tried putting kids in cages. It didn't work -- the courts stopped him. The kids in cages photos that generated so much attention were from 2014.

Follow the law ? Watch the uproar when ICE starts tracking down & deporting the thousands of "asylum seekers" who blew off their court dates & are staying here illegally. Declare a national emergency & federalize the National Guard squads to apprehend them with an ICE agent.
Send video to tv stations

Feel free to articulate Trump's plan...so far, there has been no comprehensive, cogent message...other then no more of folks who don't look and pray like Trump and his ilk.

[old salt]

Trump has attempted to detain asylum seekers until their claims are adjudicated, rather than catch & release.
The courts have blocked him.

Trump has supported the legislation that would close the asylum loopholes.

Both of those things would reduce the pull factor for bogus asylum seekers & stop the surge.

No wall, no sensors, no more CBP needed.

[foreverlax]

Trump has attempted to detain asylum seekers until their claims are adjudicated, rather than catch & release.
The courts have blocked him.Did they block him because it was against the law?

Trump has supported the legislation that would close the asylum loopholes. I have no issue with that in the least

Both of those things would reduce the pull factor for bogus asylum seekers & stop the surge.

No wall, no sensors, no more CBP needed.Really...all of this goes away once they solve the amnesty issue?

What about the rest of the plan? So far, the WH have been more about fear and misrepresentation that actual results based on sound policy.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Trump has attempted to detain asylum seekers until their claims are adjudicated, rather than catch & release.
The courts have blocked him.

Trump has supported the legislation that would close the asylum loopholes.

Both of those things would reduce the pull factor for bogus asylum seekers & stop the surge.

No wall, no sensors, no more CBP needed.

You mean the courts have ruled that many of the actions are unlawful. We didn’t elect a king. This is the United States of America.

[old salt]

Trump has attempted to detain asylum seekers until their claims are adjudicated, rather than catch & release.
The courts have blocked him.

Trump has supported the legislation that would close the asylum loopholes.

Both of those things would reduce the pull factor for bogus asylum seekers & stop the surge.

No wall, no sensors, no more CBP needed.

You mean the courts have ruled that many of the actions are unlawful. We didn’t elect a king. This is the United States of America.

The Flores settlement is not law. It's a decades old court settlement that did not contemplate the current volume of families & minors that need to be detained & adjudicated. 20 days is an arbitrary, unrealistic limitation, given the volume of child migrants & the adjudication back log.

[CU88]

Trump has attempted to detain asylum seekers until their claims are adjudicated, rather than catch & release.
The courts have blocked him.

Trump has supported the legislation that would close the asylum loopholes.

Both of those things would reduce the pull factor for bogus asylum seekers & stop the surge.

No wall, no sensors, no more CBP needed.

"Trump business empire shuns E-Verify, hires illegal immigrants"

your hero is obviously leading by example:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... hiring-il/

[Typical Lax Dad]

Trump has attempted to detain asylum seekers until their claims are adjudicated, rather than catch & release.
The courts have blocked him.

Trump has supported the legislation that would close the asylum loopholes.

Both of those things would reduce the pull factor for bogus asylum seekers & stop the surge.

No wall, no sensors, no more CBP needed.

You mean the courts have ruled that many of the actions are unlawful. We didn’t elect a king. This is the United States of America.

The Flores settlement is not law. It's a decades old court settlement that did not contemplate the current volume of families & minors that need to be detained & adjudicated. 20 days is an arbitrary, unrealistic limitation, given the volume of child migrants & the adjudication back log.

Is that the only applicable law? What laws are these judges striking down Trump’s actions citing? Hope we didn’t endure a code war to become a kingdom.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-com ... -explained

[old salt]

Trump has attempted to detain asylum seekers until their claims are adjudicated, rather than catch & release.
The courts have blocked him.

Trump has supported the legislation that would close the asylum loopholes.

Both of those things would reduce the pull factor for bogus asylum seekers & stop the surge.

No wall, no sensors, no more CBP needed.

"Trump business empire shuns E-Verify, hires illegal immigrants"

your hero is obviously leading by example:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... hiring-il/

Blah, blah, blah. What does that have to do with staunching the flood of asylum seeking families at out southern border ?

[old salt]

https://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-com ... -explained

That has nothing to do with the surge of asylum seekers at our southern border. Immigration caps are irrelevant. If credible fear is established, asylum seekers must be admitted to await adjudication. If granted asylum, they stay -- caps nothwithstanding. If denied asylum, many don't show up for their deportation hearing. The adjudication process can take years.

[foreverlax]

You are focused on the asylum seekers....which is an issue.

For me, there is plenty more to this issue then just those actually fleeing vs those trying to game the system.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-com ... -explained

That has nothing to do with the surge of asylum seekers at our southern border. Immigration caps are irrelevant. If credible fear is established, asylum seekers must be admitted to await adjudication. If granted asylum, they stay -- caps nothwithstanding. If denied asylum, many don't show up for their deportation hearing. The adjudication process can take years.

Your issue is just with the system for asylum seekers?

[old salt]

https://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-com ... -explained

That has nothing to do with the surge of asylum seekers at our southern border. Immigration caps are irrelevant. If credible fear is established, asylum seekers must be admitted to await adjudication. If granted asylum, they stay -- caps nothwithstanding. If denied asylum, many don't show up for their deportation hearing. The adjudication process can take years.

Your issue is just with the system for asylum seekers?

Yes. That's the issue creating the immediate crisis.

We need to decrease the pull factor for bogus asylum seekers, before we can rationalize our immigration process, based on what we need for the long term, including a way to accommodate legit asylum seekers, not economic migrants rushing to get in before the asylum loopholes are closed.

Close the asylum loopholes, then we can see what we actually need for border security & to thwart the cartels.
While we welcome legit asylum seekers in an orderly fashion & help them resettle & find work (legally) where they are needed.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-com ... -explained

That has nothing to do with the surge of asylum seekers at our southern border. Immigration caps are irrelevant. If credible fear is established, asylum seekers must be admitted to await adjudication. If granted asylum, they stay -- caps nothwithstanding. If denied asylum, many don't show up for their deportation hearing. The adjudication process can take years.

Your issue is just with the system for asylum seekers?

Yes. That's the issue creating the immediate crisis.

We need to decrease the pull factor for bogus asylum seekers, before we can rationalize our immigration process, based on what we need for the long term, including a way to accommodate legit asylum seekers, not economic migrants rushing to get in before the asylum loopholes are closed.

Close the asylum loopholes, then we can see what we actually need for border security & to thwart the cartels.
While we welcome legit asylum seekers in an orderly fashion & help them resettle & find work (legally) where they are needed.

So hold off on the end run around congress to build your wall?

[old salt]

https://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-com ... -explained

That has nothing to do with the surge of asylum seekers at our southern border. Immigration caps are irrelevant. If credible fear is established, asylum seekers must be admitted to await adjudication. If granted asylum, they stay -- caps nothwithstanding. If denied asylum, many don't show up for their deportation hearing. The adjudication process can take years.

Your issue is just with the system for asylum seekers?

Yes. That's the issue creating the immediate crisis.

We need to decrease the pull factor for bogus asylum seekers, before we can rationalize our immigration process, based on what we need for the long term, including a way to accommodate legit asylum seekers, not economic migrants rushing to get in before the asylum loopholes are closed.

Close the asylum loopholes, then we can see what we actually need for border security & to thwart the cartels.
While we welcome legit asylum seekers in an orderly fashion & help them resettle & find work (legally) where they are needed.

So hold off on the end run around congress to build your wall?

I don't care that much about the wall. It's a small part of the fix.
We need to reduce the asylum pull factor, then see how much wall we need & where.
The wall is also symbolic -- to Trump voters & aspiring migrants.

Here's a couple good explainers on the asylum loopholes :
https://www.heritage.org/immigration/re ... ern-border
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/a-borde ... mmigration

[a fan]

Yes. That's the issue creating the immediate crisis.

We need to decrease the pull factor for bogus asylum seekers, before we can rationalize our immigration process, based on what we need for the long term, including a way to accommodate legit asylum seekers, not economic migrants rushing to get in before the asylum loopholes are closed.

Close the asylum loopholes, then we can see what we actually need for border security & to thwart the cartels.
While we welcome legit asylum seekers in an orderly fashion & help them resettle & find work (legally) where they are needed.

Why are you yelling at us? We're not the idiots who ran on "fixing the border".


Now it's the mess that Trump created. Yell at him. For the love of G8d, yell at him just once. Just one time during his term, blame him for not doing something that not only is he responsible for, but what he campaigned on fixing. And we're two years in, and all he's managed to do is make the problem worse, and to blame the Dems.

So don't ask us how to solve the problem. Ask Trump. It's his job.