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Weird, because most of the news, left and right, has been pushing the word Recession for a while now. Makes for good, scary headlines.

Business Cycle Dating Procedure: Frequently Asked Questions
Q: Why doesn't the committee accept the two-quarter definition?

A: There are several reasons. First, we do not identify economic activity solely with real GDP, but consider a range of indicators. Second, we consider the depth of the decline in economic activity. The NBER definition includes the phrase, “a significant decline in economic activity." Thus real GDP could decline by relatively small amounts in two consecutive quarters without warranting the determination that a peak had occurred. Third, our main focus is on the monthly chronology, which requires consideration of monthly indicators. Fourth, in examining the behavior of production on a quarterly basis, where real GDP data are available, we give equal weight to real GDI. The difference between GDP and GDI—called the “statistical discrepancy”—was particularly important in the recessions of 2001 and 2007–2009.
And if you wanna read the actual White House memo instead of BitCoin news:

How Do Economists Determine Whether the Economy Is in a Recession?

Guess we'll see GDP numbers tomorrow and we'll get to see down the road if we're starting an actual Recession or not.
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kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:10 pm Biden administration and (sympathetic media accomplices) accused of redefining "recession":

https://news.bitcoin.com/biden-administ ... efinition/
In their defense? This is actually a different situation. But better to take their lumps and say "yep, this is a recession"....and THEN explain what's different about THIS recession.

What's different? Massive, massive global supply chain shortages. Have a friend that's a higher-up at Cisco. They have well over $40 Billion in orders (no joke, I asked him twice to clarify) that they can't fill because they can't get the components (not just chips) needed to fill this orders.

In my industry? Bulleit Bourbon sales would have gone up by ~20% last year. Instead? They went down by 20%. Why? They literally couldn't get the glass needed.

So when you add all this up? Companies have orders....yet can't produce. Which lowers that P in "GDP", big time.....and there's NOTHING Biden can do to fix the problem.

Will those orders be around when the supply chain catches up? Who the F knows. That's where the uncertainty comes in.
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Yup. Have a buddy who was a salesman for a container manufacturing company. Cans etc. He lost his job. Not because he wasn’t selling. He had orders stacked up. The company just couldn’t get the aluminum etc. to make the containers. Crazy times.
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kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:29 pm Yup. Have a buddy who was a salesman for a container manufacturing company. Cans etc. He lost his job. Not because he wasn’t selling. He had orders stacked up. The company just couldn’t get the aluminum etc. to make the containers. Crazy times.
Just in time supply chains are peachy, until they aren’t.

That shnt is over. No mas. China’s militarism and assertiveness will preclude that.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:00 pm Weird, because most of the news, left and right, has been pushing the word Recession for a while now. Makes for good, scary headlines.

Business Cycle Dating Procedure: Frequently Asked Questions
Q: Why doesn't the committee accept the two-quarter definition?

A: There are several reasons. First, we do not identify economic activity solely with real GDP, but consider a range of indicators. Second, we consider the depth of the decline in economic activity. The NBER definition includes the phrase, “a significant decline in economic activity." Thus real GDP could decline by relatively small amounts in two consecutive quarters without warranting the determination that a peak had occurred. Third, our main focus is on the monthly chronology, which requires consideration of monthly indicators. Fourth, in examining the behavior of production on a quarterly basis, where real GDP data are available, we give equal weight to real GDI. The difference between GDP and GDI—called the “statistical discrepancy”—was particularly important in the recessions of 2001 and 2007–2009.
And if you wanna read the actual White House memo instead of BitCoin news:

How Do Economists Determine Whether the Economy Is in a Recession?

Guess we'll see GDP numbers tomorrow and we'll get to see down the road if we're starting an actual Recession or not.
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Fox News in absolute spasms to excoriate the DOJ and FBI last night. Airing suggestions that the FBI planted evidence, that "the FBI exists to eliminate Democrat party rivals," etc. Marco Rubio tells Fox a GOP majority will mean unending use of federal power against opponents. But never a whiff that Trump and his personnel might have taken records they shouldn't have in their possession. Just criminally irresponsible.
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a fan wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:09 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:10 pm Biden administration and (sympathetic media accomplices) accused of redefining "recession":

https://news.bitcoin.com/biden-administ ... efinition/
In their defense? This is actually a different situation. But better to take their lumps and say "yep, this is a recession"....and THEN explain what's different about THIS recession.

What's different? Massive, massive global supply chain shortages. Have a friend that's a higher-up at Cisco. They have well over $40 Billion in orders (no joke, I asked him twice to clarify) that they can't fill because they can't get the components (not just chips) needed to fill this orders.

In my industry? Bulleit Bourbon sales would have gone up by ~20% last year. Instead? They went down by 20%. Why? They literally couldn't get the glass needed.

So when you add all this up? Companies have orders....yet can't produce. Which lowers that P in "GDP", big time.....and there's NOTHING Biden can do to fix the problem.

Will those orders be around when the supply chain catches up? Who the F knows. That's where the uncertainty comes in.
... given my experiences I think a lot of tech companies have larger than usual backlogs that can't be filled given component shortages. Very different kind of recession. There is unfulfilled demand out their in a number of industries.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:34 am Fox News in absolute spasms to excoriate the DOJ and FBI last night. Airing suggestions that the FBI planted evidence, that "the FBI exists to eliminate Democrat party rivals," etc. Marco Rubio tells Fox a GOP majority will mean unending use of federal power against opponents. But never a whiff that Trump and his personnel might have taken records they shouldn't have in their possession. Just criminally irresponsible.

... they are "biggly" panicked. The midterms are looking very different than what they (rightwing media) have been telling themselves and everyone else. They need to spin up their base by yelling "fire". It will pass and their nonsense will come back to haunt them.
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Good read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/13/busi ... &smtyp=cur

“In the weeks after President Donald J. Trump lost the 2020 election, the Fox Business host Lou Dobbs claimed to have “tremendous evidence” that voter fraud was to blame. That evidence never emerged but a new culprit in a supposed scheme to rig the election did: Dominion Voting Systems, a maker of election technology whose algorithms, Mr. Dobbs said, “were designed to be inaccurate.”

Maria Bartiromo, another host on the network, falsely stated that “Nancy Pelosi has an interest in this company.” Jeanine Pirro, a Fox News personality, speculated that “technical glitches” in Dominion’s software “could have affected thousands of absentee mail-in ballots.”

Those unfounded accusations are now among the dozens cited in Dominion’s defamation lawsuit against the Fox Corporation, which alleges that Fox repeatedly aired false, far-fetched and exaggerated allegations about Dominion and its purported role in a plot to steal votes from Mr. Trump.

Those bogus assertions — made day after day, including allegations that Dominion was a front for the communist government in Venezuela and that its voting machines could switch votes from one candidate to another — are at the center of the libel suit, one of the most extraordinary brought against an American media company in more than a generation.
First Amendment scholars say the case is a rarity in libel law. Defamation claims typically involve a single disputed statement. But Dominion’s complaint is replete with example after example of false statements, many of them made after the facts were widely known. And such suits are often quickly dismissed, because of the First Amendment’s broad free speech protections and the high-powered lawyers available to a major media company like Fox. If they do go forward, they are usually settled out of court to spare both sides the costly spectacle of a trial.

But Dominion’s $1.6 billion case against Fox has been steadily progressing in Delaware state court this summer, inching ever closer to trial. There have been no moves from either side toward a settlement, according to interviews with several people involved in the case. The two companies are deep into document discovery, combing through years of each other’s emails and text messages, and taking depositions.

These people said they expected Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch, who own and control the Fox Corporation, to sit for depositions as soon as this month.

The case threatens a huge financial and reputational blow to Fox, by far the most powerful conservative media company in the country. But legal scholars say it also has the potential to deliver a powerful verdict on the kind of pervasive and pernicious falsehoods — and the people who spread them — that are undermining the country’s faith in democracy.
“We’re litigating history in a way: What is historical truth?” said Lee Levine, a noted First Amendment lawyer who has argued several major media defamation cases. “Here you’re taking very recent current events and going through a process which, at the end, is potentially going to declare what the correct version of history is.”

The case has caused palpable unease at the Fox News Channel, said several people there, who would speak only anonymously. Anchors and executives have been preparing for depositions and have been forced to hand over months of private emails and text messages to Dominion, which is hoping to prove that network employees knew that wild accusations of ballot rigging in the 2020 election were false. The hosts Steve Doocy, Dana Perino and Shepard Smith are among the current and former Fox personalities who either have been deposed or will be this month.

Dominion is trying to build a case that aims straight at the top of the Fox media empire and the Murdochs. In court filings and depositions, Dominion lawyers have laid out how they plan to show that senior Fox executives hatched a plan after the election to lure back viewers who had switched to rival hard-right networks, which were initially more sympathetic than Fox was to Mr. Trump’s voter-fraud claims.

Libel law doesn’t protect lies. But it does leave room for the media to cover newsworthy figures who tell them. And Fox is arguing, in part, that’s what shields it from liability. Asked about Dominion’s strategy to place the Murdochs front and center in the case, a Fox Corporation spokesman said it would be a “fruitless fishing expedition.” A spokeswoman for Fox News said it was “ridiculous” to claim, as Dominion does in the suit, that the network was chasing viewers from the far-right fringe.

Fox is expected to dispute Dominion’s estimated self-valuation of $1 billion and argue that $1.6 billion is an excessively high amount for damages, as it has in a similar defamation case filed by another voting machine company, Smartmatic.

A spokesman for Dominion declined to comment. In its initial complaint, the company’s lawyers wrote that “The truth matters,” adding, “Lies have consequences.”

For Dominion to convince a jury that Fox should be held liable for defamation and pay damages, it has to clear an extremely high legal bar known as the “actual malice” standard. Dominion must show either that people inside Fox knew what hosts and guests were saying about the election technology company was false, or that they effectively ignored information proving that the statements in question were wrong — which is known in legal terms as displaying a reckless disregard for the truth.
A judge recently ruled that Dominion had met that actual malice standard “at this stage,” allowing it to expand the scope of its case against Fox and the kind of evidence it can seek from the company’s senior executives.

In late June, Judge Eric M. Davis of Delaware Superior Court denied a motion from Fox that would have excluded the parent Fox Corporation from the case — a much larger target than Fox News itself. That business encompasses the most profitable parts of the Murdoch American media portfolio and is run directly by Rupert Murdoch, 91, who serves as chairman, and his elder son, Lachlan, the chief executive.

Soon after, Fox replaced its outside legal team on the case and hired one of the country’s most prominent trial lawyers — a sign that executives believe that the chances the case is headed to trial have increased.

Dominion’s lawyers have focused some of their questioning in depositions on the decision-making hierarchy at Fox News, according to one person with direct knowledge of the case, showing a particular interest in what happened on election night inside the network in the hours after it projected Mr. Trump would lose Arizona. That call short-circuited the president’s plan to prematurely declare victory, enraging him and his loyalists and precipitating a temporary ratings crash for Fox.

These questions have had a singular focus, this person said: to place Lachlan Murdoch in the room when the decisions about election coverage were being made. This person added that while testimony so far suggests the younger Murdoch did not try to pressure anyone at Fox News to reverse the call — as Mr. Trump and his campaign aides demanded the network do — he did ask detailed questions about the process that Fox’s election analysts had used after the call became so contentious.

Fox’s legal team has cited the broad protections the First Amendment allows, arguing that statements about Dominion machines from its anchors like Mr. Dobbs and Ms. Bartiromo, and guests like Rudolph W. Giuliani and Sidney Powell, were protected opinion and the kind of speech that any media organization would cover as indisputably newsworthy.

“When the president and his lawyers are making allegations, that in and of itself is newsworthy,” Dan Webb, the trial lawyer brought in by Fox several weeks ago, said in an interview. “To say that shouldn’t be reported on, I don’t think a jury would buy that. And that’s what I think the plaintiffs are saying here.”

Mr. Webb’s most recent experience in a major media defamation case was representing the other side: a South Dakota meat manufacturer in a lawsuit against ABC for a report about the safety of low-cost processed beef trimmings, often called “pink slime.” The case was settled in 2017.

But Fox has also been searching for evidence that could, in effect, prove the Dominion conspiracy theories weren’t really conspiracy theories. Behind the scenes, Fox’s lawyers have pursued documents that would support numerous unfounded claims about Dominion, including its supposed connections to Hugo Chávez, the Venezuelan dictator who died in 2013, and software features that were ostensibly designed to make vote manipulation easier.

According to court filings, the words and phrases that Fox has asked Dominion to search for in internal communications going back more than a decade include “Chavez” and “Hugo,” along with “tampered,” “backdoor,” “stolen” and “Trump.”

Fox News and Fox Business gave a platform to some of the loudest purveyors of these theories, including Mike Lindell, the MyPillow founder, and Mr. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, in the days and weeks after major news outlets including Fox declared Joseph R. Biden Jr. the president-elect. In one interview, Mr. Giuliani falsely claimed that Dominion was owned by a Venezuelan company with close ties to Mr. Chavez, and that it was formed “to fix elections.” (Dominion was founded in Canada in 2002 by a man who wanted to make it easier for blind people to vote.)

Mr. Dobbs, who conducted one of the interviews cited in Dominion’s complaint, responded encouragingly to Mr. Giuliani, saying he believed he was witnessing “the endgame to a four-and-a-half-year-long effort to overthrow the president of the United States.” Fox canceled Mr. Dobbs’s Fox Business show last year, though it has never issued a retraction for any of the commentary about Dominion.

Dominion has also filed separate lawsuits against Mr. Giuliani, Ms. Powell and Mr. Lindell.

Dominion says in its complaint that in the weeks after the election, people started leaving violent voice mail messages at its offices, threatening to execute everyone who worked there and blow up the headquarters. At one office, someone hurled a brick through a window. The company had to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on security and lost hundreds of millions more in business, according to its complaint.

“The harm to Dominion from the lies told by Fox is unprecedented and irreparable because of how fervently millions of people believed them — and continue to believe them,” its complaint said.

The company has tried to draw a connection between those falsehoods and the Jan. 6 siege at the Capitol. “These lies did not simply harm Dominion,” the company said in the complaint. “They harmed democracy. They harmed the idea of credible elections.”

As part of its case, it cites one of the most indelible images from the Jan. 6 attack: a man in the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, clutching zip ties in his left hand. Also in the suit is a second photo of the man, later identified as Eric Munchel of Tennessee, in which he is brandishing a shotgun, with Mr. Trump on a television in the background. The television is tuned to Fox Business.
But the hurdle Dominion must clear is whether it can persuade a jury to believe that people at Fox knew they were spreading lies.

Disseminating ‘The Big Lie’ isn’t enough,” said RonNell Andersen Jones, a law professor and First Amendment scholar at the University of Utah’s S.J. Quinney College of Law. “It has to be a knowing lie.”
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Former Trump White House counsel Eric Herschmann has received a grand jury subpoena as part of the Jan. 6 probe at DoJ. Rut Roh.

In other related news - Georgia prosecutors have now informed Rudolph Giuliani that he is now a target of a criminal Grand jury investigating 2020 election interference in Georgia. That means the evidence has unfolded in a way that makes him a potential defendant. Targets are told of their status so they can make informed decision about invoking 5th Amendment rights not to testify.

Rudy Colludy has already been warned by the Georgia judge handling the case that his excuse that he's too ill to travel isn't valid and he must appear in person Wednesday to testify before a special Grand Jury. Maybe he can finally exercise his famously stated "insurance" policy in case an attempt is made to throw him under the proverbial bus. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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More on the Dominion lawsuit against Fox:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/25/busi ... &smtyp=cur

"Some of the biggest names at Fox News have been questioned, or are scheduled to be questioned in the coming days, by lawyers representing Dominion Voting Systems in its $1.6 billion defamation suit against the network, as the election technology company presses ahead with a case that First Amendment scholars say is extraordinary in its scope and significance.

Sean Hannity became the latest Fox star to be called for a deposition by Dominion’s legal team, according to a new filing in Delaware Superior Court. He is scheduled to appear on Wednesday.

Tucker Carlson is set to face questioning on Friday. Lou Dobbs, whose Fox Business show was canceled last year, is scheduled to appear on Tuesday. Others who have been deposed recently include Jeanine Pirro, Steve Doocy and a number of high-level Fox producers, court records show.

People with knowledge of the case, who would speak only anonymously, said they expected that the chief executive of Fox News Media, Suzanne Scott, could be one of the next to be deposed, along with the president of Fox News, Jay Wallace. Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch, whose family owns Fox, could follow in the coming weeks.

The depositions are among the clearest indications yet of how aggressively Dominion is moving forward with its suit, which is set to go to trial early next year, and of the legal pressure building on the nation’s most powerful conservative media company. There have been no moves from either side to discuss a possible settlement, people with knowledge of the case have said.

It is common for large media companies like Fox to settle such cases well before they reach the point where journalists or senior executives are forced to sit for questioning by lawyers from the opposing side. But both Dominion and Fox appear to be preparing for the likelihood that the case will end up in front of a jury.

The suit accuses Fox of pushing false and far-fetched claims of voter fraud to lure back viewers who had defected to other right-wing news sources. In its initial complaint, Dominion’s lawyers framed their lawsuit as a matter of profound civic importance. “The truth matters,” they said, adding, “Lies have consequences.”

The judge overseeing the case allowed Dominion in late June to expand the suit to include the cable news network’s parent company, Fox Corporation, potentially broadening the legal exposure of both Murdochs. Shortly after, Fox replaced its outside counsel on the case and hired one of the nation’s most prominent trial lawyers, Dan Webb.

A spokesman for Fox Corporation has said that the First Amendment protected the company from the suit, and that any attempt by Dominion lawyers to put the Murdochs at the center of their case would be a “fruitless fishing expedition.”

The network is “confident we will prevail as freedom of the press is foundational to our democracy and must be protected,” a Fox News spokeswoman said in a statement. She added that the $1.6 billion in damages that Dominion is seeking are “outrageous, unsupported and not rooted in sound financial analysis.” According to court filings, Dominion estimates business losses at hundreds of millions of dollars and values the company at around $1 billion.

Dominion’s legal complaint lays out how Fox repeatedly aired conspiracy theories about the company’s purported role in a plot to steal votes from former President Donald J. Trump, and argues that its business has suffered considerably as a result. Those falsehoods — including that Dominion was a pawn of the Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez and that its machines were designed with a feature that allowed votes to be flipped from one candidate to another — aired night after night as Fox hosts like Mr. Hannity and Mr. Dobbs allowed guests to make them on their shows, and in some cases vouched for them.

Legal experts say the case is one of the most potentially consequential libel suits brought against an American media company in more than a generation, with the potential to deliver a judgment on a falsehood that has damaged the integrity of the country’s democratic system and remains an article of faith among many Trump supporters.

Defamation is extremely difficult to prove in a case like this because of the broad constitutional protections that cover the news media. A company like Dominion has to prove either that a media outlet knew what it was publishing or broadcasting was false, or that it acted so hastily it overlooked facts proving that falsity, a legal standard known as demonstrating a “reckless disregard for the truth.”

Dominion’s legal strategy, which it has detailed in court filings, hinges on getting testimony and unearthing private communications between Fox employees that prove either such recklessness or knowledge that the statements were false.

The case has stirred considerable unease inside Fox all summer, as employees have had to turn over months of emails and text messages to Dominion lawyers and prepare for depositions. Other current and former Fox personalities who have been deposed include Dana Perino, Shepard Smith and Chris Stirewalt, who was part of the team that made the election night projection that Mr. Trump would lose Arizona, and the presidency as a result.

This is not the first time that Mr. Hannity has been in the middle of a high-profile defamation suit. In 2018, Fox was sued by the parents of Seth Rich, a former Democratic National Committee staff member whom Mr. Hannity and others at Fox falsely linked to a hacking that resulted in committee emails being published by WikiLeaks. Mr. Rich was murdered in an apparent botched robbery in 2017, though conspiracy theorists tried to blame his death on Democratic operatives. Fox News later retracted some of its reporting on the story, saying it did not meet the network’s editorial standards.

Fox settled the Rich case in the fall of 2020, before Mr. Hannity could be deposed."
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This is not good. I was having trouble believing this could have happened without people jumping all over the guy doing (not) the yelling. Lot of crying wolf going on here.
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DMac wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:59 am This is not good. I was having trouble believing this could have happened without people jumping all over the guy doing (not) the yelling. Lot of crying wolf going on here.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk ... 2a940d6d48
Hang on, the Wash Examiner says this was a "hoax"...but offer nothing at all that says it didn't happen.

Did it?

While it's always disappointing when these things happen, it's not as if they don't...and sometimes it's quite egregious and the crowd around the worst offenders laughs, doesn't intervene.

I certainly wouldn't draw a conclusion about the "entire crowd", nor BYU as an institution, but it very well could be a reflection on the group immediately in the area who did not intervene. Happens.
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They do offer something that says it never happened.
BYU police reviewed footage of the fan who was banned and determined that he did not yell any slurs when Richardson was serving. The fan wasn’t even present when Richardson was serving the first time, and he was on his phone during Richardson’s second serve. Those were the only two times she served in front of the BYU student section. A BYU student newspaper reached out to several people in the student section, none of whom had heard any slurs.
I sure don't know if it really happened or not but I do find it hard to imagine that that the people around the alleged yeller of racial slurs wouldn't shut the guy up and let him know immediately that his behavior isn't going to be tolerated. I know I would, that would make me so uncomfortable that there's no way I'd be able to sit there and not say something. I'm bettin' you'd be the same. I sure don't have any trouble imagining the media got it wrong and jumped all over it like a dog to a steak bone though...another Duke story?
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...wuz Jussie Smollett in da house ?
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DMac wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:29 am They do offer something that says it never happened.
BYU police reviewed footage of the fan who was banned and determined that he did not yell any slurs when Richardson was serving. The fan wasn’t even present when Richardson was serving the first time, and he was on his phone during Richardson’s second serve. Those were the only two times she served in front of the BYU student section. A BYU student newspaper reached out to several people in the student section, none of whom had heard any slurs.
I sure don't know if it really happened or not but I do find it hard to imagine that that the people around the alleged yeller of racial slurs wouldn't shut the guy up and let him know immediately that his behavior isn't going to be tolerated. I know I would, that would make me so uncomfortable that there's no way I'd be able to sit there and not say something. I'm bettin' you'd be the same. I sure don't have any trouble imagining the media got it wrong and jumped all over it like a dog to a steak bone though...another Duke story?
ahh, thanks, I did't see the continue reading button. Seemed rather short! :oops:
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DMac wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:29 am They do offer something that says it never happened.
BYU police reviewed footage of the fan who was banned and determined that he did not yell any slurs when Richardson was serving. The fan wasn’t even present when Richardson was serving the first time, and he was on his phone during Richardson’s second serve. Those were the only two times she served in front of the BYU student section. A BYU student newspaper reached out to several people in the student section, none of whom had heard any slurs.
I sure don't know if it really happened or not but I do find it hard to imagine that that the people around the alleged yeller of racial slurs wouldn't shut the guy up and let him know immediately that his behavior isn't going to be tolerated. I know I would, that would make me so uncomfortable that there's no way I'd be able to sit there and not say something. I'm bettin' you'd be the same. I sure don't have any trouble imagining the media got it wrong and jumped all over it like a dog to a steak bone though...another Duke story?
Sounded more like the Sewanee lacrosse story...definitely happened. I know the assistant coach at Sewanee well. Drunk sorority...not the lacrosse team.

Was the godmother really not at the game? But player said she heard it? Godmother sounds like a piece of work...the player wouldn't likely be in that mold, but never know...perhaps not assume that this is the whole story just yet?

the player sounds like a good egg: https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... ougars-fan
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Not familiar with that one.
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DMac wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:05 am Not familiar with that one.
https://www.local3news.com/us-lacrosse- ... 8bf5e.html

But they had difficulty identifying who made the racist remarks. https://thecollegepost.com/sewanee-raci ... onclusive/
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