Actually he is not going to Hopkins because the tuition is too high, Ron Daniels refuses to meet with him personally, and nobody wants to be in Baltimore now since Flacco got traded.
I thought we'd established that.
Actually he is not going to Hopkins because the tuition is too high, Ron Daniels refuses to meet with him personally, and nobody wants to be in Baltimore now since Flacco got traded.
No one disagreed with the intent of the move—we all thought it was a good idea at the time. But the management of the situation, rotating the two goalies in and out and in and out (not totally unlike what UVA has done) did neither guy any service, and it all culminated in the transfer being ineligible to even play in the playoffs—not the reason Hop lost that game by any stretch but I can't imagine the fallout if it had been. It was just a bad experience all around. Petro was unusually candid afterward, pretty much admitting the whole thing was a mistake. I doubt he is eager to try again. That's not at all to say that he would just ignore Burkinshaw's call if it came—he'd be stupid to do so—but I just think there will be several other top programs more ready and willing to test the waters. Not to mention Hopkins recently hasn't had many transfers at ANY position.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:52 amI have zero idea about either side of this equation, Petro or the player, but suggesting that there was a "debacle" due to bringing in a proven Big 10 performer as a grad student, when you clearly didn't have depth at the position on the roster, and that not working out as hoped, would stop you from bringing in a 3-year potential performer as a transfer...I don't agreeHopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:25 am Have to agree with Doc—I don't think Petro is in the market for another goalie transfer after the Logan debacle. Would be shocked if he goes to Hopkins..
For what it's worth, when Burkinshaw committed in 2015 he said the other schools he was considering were Princeton, Brown, Providence, and Richmond.
http://www.laxlessons.com/2015/07/21/pa ... urkinshaw/
I would think Petro would be eager to pick up Burkinshaw if he had a chance. But that doesn't mean the kid would be eager.
From that list, sounds like the kid (or his parents) thought he had enough academic #'s to be able to get in the door at an Ivy, but also had some back-ups.
Sort of an interesting range though!
What I find perplexing is that, despite the present frustration, what happens the rest of the way this season, much less the next 3 years, has a ton of variability. If Rode can't get above 50% with regularity, and you're working your tail off in practice, and are actually better, eventually that's going to work out just fine. And injuries can be a factor too!
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:44 amNot taking anything away from Starr, but he has a 47% avg. That's not enough to be anointed starter if another guy arrives on campus who is better.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:34 am Renault, perhaps you know something we don't, but that would be a surefire way to upset a cohesive team (Yale). The kid starting now for Yale is darn good, and as someone said, has a national 'ship under his belt, and is like Rode, a sophomore. I further assume he is well liked by his mates and coaches.
We don't know any of the variables here outside what the posters have mentioned, but if I were in his shoes, and now knowing some things this morning I did not know last night, based on quality of school/school culture/coach/availability, I guess I'd be looking most tightly at Duke or Loyola, with Towson a close third. I think he'd be starting on a great team, with a great coach, at schools which have really good vibes (notwithstanding the Hoos' incredible basketball championship last night!), with opportunities to win national championships.
Bear in mind, Burkinshaw could have specific reasons to choose a school not even considered; as a possibility, this kid was a remarkable hockey player in high school as well. Maybe he'd go to a Providence, Yale, Harvard, or Michigan, and keep his options open?
Well, enough on that. If Danowski, Toomey, and Nadelen aren't on this already, they will be.
This is the challenge for goalies and FOGO's, but especially goalies...one guy plays, the rest sit and wait. But if a guy is better, teams expect the better guy to play.
"better" is not just about saves % though. Nor clearing etc.
Leadership matters. Do you play big when it's all on the line, when the heat is the hottest?
I don't see Loyola or Towson, from UVA, but Duke sure.
I second all of thisPeter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:24 amI understand your thought, but I think that's old-world thinking (and no offense to anyone's age lol).MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:44 amNot taking anything away from Starr, but he has a 47% avg. That's not enough to be anointed starter if another guy arrives on campus who is better.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:34 am Renault, perhaps you know something we don't, but that would be a surefire way to upset a cohesive team (Yale). The kid starting now for Yale is darn good, and as someone said, has a national 'ship under his belt, and is like Rode, a sophomore. I further assume he is well liked by his mates and coaches.
We don't know any of the variables here outside what the posters have mentioned, but if I were in his shoes, and now knowing some things this morning I did not know last night, based on quality of school/school culture/coach/availability, I guess I'd be looking most tightly at Duke or Loyola, with Towson a close third. I think he'd be starting on a great team, with a great coach, at schools which have really good vibes (notwithstanding the Hoos' incredible basketball championship last night!), with opportunities to win national championships.
Bear in mind, Burkinshaw could have specific reasons to choose a school not even considered; as a possibility, this kid was a remarkable hockey player in high school as well. Maybe he'd go to a Providence, Yale, Harvard, or Michigan, and keep his options open?
Well, enough on that. If Danowski, Toomey, and Nadelen aren't on this already, they will be.
This is the challenge for goalies and FOGO's, but especially goalies...one guy plays, the rest sit and wait. But if a guy is better, teams expect the better guy to play.
"better" is not just about saves % though. Nor clearing etc.
Leadership matters. Do you play big when it's all on the line, when the heat is the hottest?
I don't see Loyola or Towson, from UVA, but Duke sure.
Notwithstanding the recent pay-to-pay craziness of college admissions, college athletes these days can get an equal education anywhere provided they put the work in...online/internships/etc. Plus, many schools now have a great post-university networking capacity that previously only a Harvard-type college afforded. In fact, I'd argue that today, the Ivy networks pale in comparison to smaller tighter schools like Colgate, Loyola, or Lehigh, where alum truly care about their fellow grads and go out of their way to support recent grads in their first career choices (this, spoken from a guy whose brother attended Harvard, though yours truly did not). I know a ton of Ivy grads who won't even support their schools any longer owing to perceived liberal orthodoxy; the atmosphere of content perfection is not what it once was at those schools.
Duke isn't far removed from that allegation, imo.
Loyola oth has one of the best campus cultures around especially if you treat your Catholic faith with some seriousness, with (again, IMO) one of the best venues and fan support for lacrosse. In a kid's case like Burkinshaw, the fact that Toomey seems to mine the Connecticut schools (Lindley, Bailey, Swindell, etc...) wouldn't hurt if Burkinshaw looked their way.
Anyway, I do not know anything about this particular situation...this kid is an incredible talent and I hope he makes the decision that is best for him, not me.
2015 Lars was at Brown, so that makes East Side less likely, but PC graduates a senior Tewey-watch goalie (IIRC). Princeton = Big 3. Richmond? IDKHopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:25 am Have to agree with Doc—I don't think Petro is in the market for another goalie transfer after the Logan debacle. Would be shocked if he goes to Hopkins..
For what it's worth, when Burkinshaw committed in 2015 he said the other schools he was considering were Princeton, Brown, Providence, and Richmond.
http://www.laxlessons.com/2015/07/21/pa ... urkinshaw/
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:39 am I quite agree, if you work hard, you can get a great education at lots and lots of schools. Life is not defined by the status of the name on the diploma! But let's not kid ourselves, either. There's a reason why UVA takes pride in its being regularly in the Top 3 nationally of public universities.
Duke seems like a more lateral move educationally, arguably even a move up. Loyola not. Towson (another school I support and coach I like!) definitely not.
Princeton isn't taking a transfer. Loyola is a good call. Don't discount Michigan.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:05 pm2015 Lars was at Brown, so that makes East Side less likely, but PC graduates a senior Tewey-watch goalie (IIRC). Princeton = Big 3. Richmond? IDKHopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:25 am Have to agree with Doc—I don't think Petro is in the market for another goalie transfer after the Logan debacle. Would be shocked if he goes to Hopkins..
For what it's worth, when Burkinshaw committed in 2015 he said the other schools he was considering were Princeton, Brown, Providence, and Richmond.
http://www.laxlessons.com/2015/07/21/pa ... urkinshaw/
Blue: Ran into a couple of folks at the WM-WI game.None had seen Bienkowski play. No doubt he's a fine player. He may be a pleasant surprise next year.Wish "stickhead' hadn't disappeared.That guy had encyclopedic knowledge of Suffolk County lacrosse.wahoomurf wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:42 pmI never heard of Bienkowski.Just as I was not aware of Merle. My bad I guess.I'm going to the WM-West Islip game this week,I'll sniff around and see if I can get some G-2 on the young man.blue angels wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:47 amMurf, what can you tell us about the recent flip commitment, Bienkowski? Suffolk County player of the year is nothing to sneeze at.
Players are leaving because of coaching behavior not playing time.reLAX wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:13 pmI completely agree. Be a team player. Don’t distract the team at this point in the season. Don't you think any coach he approaches will be wary of this? What happens if he doesn’t play at his next school.Boxster54 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:06 pm In my opinion he should stay and compete for the job. Pulling this nonsense now when the team needs to count on everyone to achieve their goals is selfish. This is a life lesson both players will likely face at work once their lacrosse careers are over. How you handle this challenge and adversity now will have a huge impact in your life later on when it really matters. I'm sure he knew what he was walking into when he committed that nothing was guaranteed. It never is. Perhaps there are other circumstances we are not aware of, however, this is big time Division 1 lacrosse where all the players are really good and want to play. The kid has the talent to be the starter. I say push the other guy in practice and win the job or else be there to help the team be better in practice and be ready to play in an important game when your number is called, like it was in Princeton. Sorry, but I tend to be old school on this stuff...
I should have said "but 'he'd" be at Yale" instead of "but he'll be at Yale." I have no inside information here. But if he's got the academic chops, and the Ivy coaches show interest, why not jump at the opportunity?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:34 am Renault, perhaps you know something we don't, but that would be a surefire way to upset a cohesive team (Yale). The kid starting now for Yale is darn good, and as someone said, has a national 'ship under his belt, and is like Rode, a sophomore. I further assume he is well liked by his mates and coaches.
We don't know any of the variables here outside what the posters have mentioned, but if I were in his shoes, and now knowing some things this morning I did not know last night, based on quality of school/school culture/coach/availability, I guess I'd be looking most tightly at Duke or Loyola, with Towson a close third. I think he'd be starting on a great team, with a great coach, at schools which have really good vibes (notwithstanding the Hoos' incredible basketball championship last night!), with opportunities to win national championships.
Bear in mind, Burkinshaw could have specific reasons to choose a school not even considered; as a possibility, this kid was a remarkable hockey player in high school as well. Maybe he'd go to a Providence, Yale, Harvard, or Michigan, and keep his options open?
Well, enough on that. If Danowski, Toomey, and Nadelen aren't on this already, they will be.
If I were the other 2 goalies on UVA who watched Burkinshaw go In to play today, after announcing his decision to transfer, I’d wonder if team loyalty was even appreciated... that wasn’t fair to them at all.renault wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:06 pmI should have said "but 'he'd" be at Yale" instead of "but he'll be at Yale." I have no inside information here. But if he's got the academic chops, and the Ivy coaches show interest, why not jump at the opportunity?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:34 am Renault, perhaps you know something we don't, but that would be a surefire way to upset a cohesive team (Yale). The kid starting now for Yale is darn good, and as someone said, has a national 'ship under his belt, and is like Rode, a sophomore. I further assume he is well liked by his mates and coaches.
We don't know any of the variables here outside what the posters have mentioned, but if I were in his shoes, and now knowing some things this morning I did not know last night, based on quality of school/school culture/coach/availability, I guess I'd be looking most tightly at Duke or Loyola, with Towson a close third. I think he'd be starting on a great team, with a great coach, at schools which have really good vibes (notwithstanding the Hoos' incredible basketball championship last night!), with opportunities to win national championships.
Bear in mind, Burkinshaw could have specific reasons to choose a school not even considered; as a possibility, this kid was a remarkable hockey player in high school as well. Maybe he'd go to a Providence, Yale, Harvard, or Michigan, and keep his options open?
Well, enough on that. If Danowski, Toomey, and Nadelen aren't on this already, they will be.
Burkinshaw got a total of 48 seconds while the starter was serving a penalty. I doubt the other goalies had a problem with that.
Why Burkinshaw?Two other goalies on the roster.An uncomfortable if not bizarre decision to say the least.The Orfling wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:52 pmBurkinshaw got a total of 48 seconds while the starter was serving a penalty. I doubt the other goalies had a problem with that.