Reap the whirlwind

[Farfromgeneva]

I don't think they hold off indictment just because he announces, we're way off the election season and announcing a candidacy can't be an automatic 'out' for prosecution.

Disagree.

What happens if they don't get a conviction, MDLax? The DoJ can't just shrug their shoulders and say "whoops".

Yes, indictments aren’t supposed to lead to convictions 100% of the time. Put the evidence on the table and let the chips fall where they may if they believe in it.

Agree with FFG; if in the judgment of the professional prosecutors, the subject committed a crime warranting a penalty, then DOJ is effectively obligated to vindicate the statutes on the books.

Agree with all this. What undermines the perception of rule of law is casting the cloud and not giving the accused his day in court. If he is guilty - nail him for it. If you think he is guilty - prosecute. But it needs to be a speedy trial.

Oh, and if you are wrong and he is acquitted, fasten your seat-belts for an emboldened cult-of-Trump and the Orange one back in the White House.

You know producers at CNN are drooling over the prospect of that outcome....

Wouldn’t be speedy he would try to run out the clock to the election. That’s been his standard operating practice in legal proceedings for years. Then he’ll complain when he loses that it was because of that and if convicted will lay it on a Democratic conspiracy.

And the cable networks are going to need it the way their business is going…

[Farfromgeneva]

Agree with FFG and SC.AF, are you arguing that the infamous “OLC Memo” extends from sitting presidents to candidates for president?? In what universe does that make any sense? Sure, it will be a chit show, the place where Trump dwells, but come on man, why in the world would a simple candidacy protect ANYONE from criminal activity? The guy is on the verge of a RICO indictment, fercrissakes. This seems to be an element of the ever devolving effect DLT has had on our democracy, none of his depredations, from the jerk grabbing caper to hiring his daughter as a senior counselor to extorting a foreign head of state to inciting a coup to coddling tyrants can sink this weasel…I feel like we should be TIGHTENING our standards, not wiping them out because this guy is a professional victim.

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August 16, 2022 2:59PM Central Time ---- HooDat and dislaxxic agree on something!

What color is the sky?

[Farfromgeneva]

Agree with FFG and SC.AF, are you arguing that the infamous “OLC Memo” extends from sitting presidents to candidates for president?? In what universe does that make any sense? Sure, it will be a chit show, the place where Trump dwells, but come on man, why in the world would a simple candidacy protect ANYONE from criminal activity?

Because if you don't convict, you've just F'ed over the candidate, and stuck it to his/her supporters.

And set the table to go after candidates for the next election.

If this is as much of a no brainer prosecution as you think, Diss? Indict away!

It’s not f’ng someone over if in your professional judgement the offense and circumstances merit prosecution. One of the biggest problems in our legal system is selective prosecution combined with district attorneys who are cheating their w-l record (usually either for public office or backdooring into the high dollar white collar firm gig). If they lose, they lose. It’ll all be public record as to the evidence presented. We can judge for ourselves what we think of the decision of the prosecutor. They just have to do their job, nothing more and nothing less. The system isn’t built on justice and is filled with inequities. The best the justice department can do is their jobs to the best of their abilities and that’s it.

[Farfromgeneva]

Another problem for the former DOPUS and his election fraud crew

News reports reveal that Trump’s election lawyers copied sensitive voting machine data in multiple battleground states — a criminal felony — as part of their “secretive” operation to attempt to undo the election.

Tampering with voting machines even with the help of locals is still illegal.

I posted the Washington Post's story on this yesterday in, I think, the Conservative Ideology thread...and cannot believe people aren't talking about it. It is one of the most brazen things I have read about for some time. At the very time when they are propounding the Big Lie, losing in Courts everywhere, finding fake electors, and defaming Dominion, Powell and Krak'ed Krakens are misappropriating data and structures from stat voting machines. Michigan has already told the world that they have taken those machines out of commission for the upcoming elections. The GOP is basically a criminal RICO enterprise.

There’s a handful of states that are specifically heinous: Mich (every day someone is getting arrested for plotting murder or kidnapping of civil servants like it’s Angola), AZ, TX, MS, AL, NC, KY. Long term they’ll also get caught up in the whirlwind.

[PizzaSnake]

Tinder is piling high.

“Gun ownership rates soared to record heights during the pandemic, as more than 5 million people became first-time owners, according to the trade organization National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF). That includes Asian Americans. As videos of anti-Asian violence began flooding social media and cable news, gun sales to Asian Americans, though still significantly lower than those of other racial groups, rose by an estimated 43%.”


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -ownership

[PizzaSnake]

Bottom up insurrection?

“The burgeoning sheriffs’ drive to investigate so-called voting fraud was evident at a secretive Arizona meeting on 13 August that drew a crowd of some 200 allies, including former sheriff Richard Mack and current sheriff Mark Lamb, who each lead sheriffs’ groups. The True the Vote chief, Catherine Engelbrecht, arranged the event, Mack told the Guardian.

The gathering lasted about seven and a half hours and featured talks by Engelbrecht and Lamb, the sheriff of Pinal county, Arizona, who teamed up in June to create ProtectAmerica.Vote. to promote a larger role for sheriffs in election monitoring, said Mack.

“I totally support what they’re doing,” said Mack, who leads the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, which has thousands of members around the country, including hundreds of sheriffs.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ng-arizona

[dislaxxic]

NEXT STEPS IN THE TRUMP STOLEN DOCUMENTS INVESTIGATION

Trump is suspected not just of stealing classified documents, there are known documents that he was suspected of hoarding at his home — according to the WaPo, including documents about nuclear weapons.

So in addition to all the other reviews and an inventory that the FBI will make of what it seized, between FBI and NARA, they’re going to need to compare the seized documents with the existing catalog to see whether all the documents known to be missing were seized and whether the seized documents identify other missing documents.

If there are known documents that witnesses say had been at Mar-a-Lago but they weren’t found in the search … then things will get really interesting.

That's right, OF COURSE there is an inventory of what is SUPPOSED to be turned over to the Archives when a former president gets relieved of duty...FIRED as it were. So, there's that. It takes time.

Add all this to the upcoming RICO prosecution...

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[PizzaSnake]

It’s spreading. The more traditional governments and social controls are challenged, the more of this viral craziness there will be.

“She travels Canada in a flag-draped RV with an entourage. She greets supporters in small towns, who eagerly film the encounters on mobile phones. She’s called on her disciples to execute healthcare workers and politicians who support mass vaccination campaigns.

To her more than 60,000 followers online, she’s the newly installed Queen of Canada. But to law enforcement and national security officials, she represents the threat that online conspiracy theorists may be all too capable of inflicting real-world harm.

Romana Didulo, a leader within a fringe Q-Anon-linked movement, has claimed sovereignty over Canada, gaining limited but growing popularity amid an erosion of trust in the country’s democratic and civil institutions.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... racy-alarm

[PizzaSnake]

A little taste.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... od-modesto

Their parents must be sooooo proud.

“Straight Pride is among several fringe groups that are active against reproductive rights, which suffered a substantial blow when the US supreme court decided to overturn the landmark 1973 Roe v Wade decision that granted nationwide abortion rights.

Members of the group were reportedly among the Donald Trump supporters who attacked the Capitol on 6 January 2021 in a desperate but unsuccessful attempt to block the congressional certification of the former president’s electoral defeat to Joe Biden.

SP is often grouped with Super Happy Fun America, which bills itself as a civil rights organization that opposes gender diversity and stands in opposition to what it calls “cultural Marxism”.”

[a fan]

SP is often grouped with Super Happy Fun America, which bills itself as a civil rights organization that opposes gender diversity and stands in opposition to what it calls “cultural Marxism”.”

Everyone has to be the same, and they want the government to pass laws to make sure of that.

And yet they think they're the team supporting Freedom. Neat-0.

[Farfromgeneva]

It’s spreading. The more traditional governments and social controls are challenged, the more of this viral craziness there will be.

“She travels Canada in a flag-draped RV with an entourage. She greets supporters in small towns, who eagerly film the encounters on mobile phones. She’s called on her disciples to execute healthcare workers and politicians who support mass vaccination campaigns.

To her more than 60,000 followers online, she’s the newly installed Queen of Canada. But to law enforcement and national security officials, she represents the threat that online conspiracy theorists may be all too capable of inflicting real-world harm.

Romana Didulo, a leader within a fringe Q-Anon-linked movement, has claimed sovereignty over Canada, gaining limited but growing popularity amid an erosion of trust in the country’s democratic and civil institutions.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... racy-alarm

https://globalnews.ca/news/9087002/6th- ... rough/amp/

[Farfromgeneva]

Dude how idiotic do you have to be to start or be part of a group called Super Happy Fun America? Even my kids would see that title and laugh dismissively at it.

[PizzaSnake]

Dude how idiotic do you have to be to start or be part of a group called Super Happy Fun America? Even my kids would see that title and laugh dismissively at it.

Have you not observed the widespread idiocy evident in the human population? I do wish this chaff would be blown away by the eddying winds of the whirlwind.

The Second Coming
BY WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS

"Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"


tRump is slouching towards us now.

[Farfromgeneva]

Dude how idiotic do you have to be to start or be part of a group called Super Happy Fun America? Even my kids would see that title and laugh dismissively at it.

Have you not observed the widespread idiocy evident in the human population? I do wish this chaff would be blown away by the eddying winds of the whirlwind.

The Second Coming
BY WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS

"Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"


tRump is slouching towards us now.

Yeah…sigh…I know.

Nice selection in poetry.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Dude how idiotic do you have to be to start or be part of a group called Super Happy Fun America? Even my kids would see that title and laugh dismissively at it.

[a fan]

Dude how idiotic do you have to be to start or be part of a group called Super Happy Fun America? Even my kids would see that title and laugh dismissively at it.

Any of you remember the traveling song and dance group "Up with People" that was big in the 80's? One of my friends BEGGED us to go with him to this girls party in the 80's, because he thought she was "hot".

We got there, and some of them......completely sober, mind you....started doing their song and dance routines. We didn't have any idea what the heck was going on until days later, when we saw our friend again.

....and that, my friends, is when "ghosting" your friend at a party was invented. No offense to anyone, I'm sure they were nice people.... but that was not our bag at the time.

Also: do NOT stare at Happy Fun Ball.

[PizzaSnake]

Hmm. not the demographic I would have expected, but...

"Michigan authorities have filed criminal charges against a man accused of shooting an elderly woman campaigning against abortion rights in the shoulder while she argued with his wife last week."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ltercation

Be interesting to see what happens trial. Two to one testimony. How sympathetic will the couple be? Voir dire will be key.

'Harvey later told the local television news station WOOD that the woman, Joan Jacobson, was arguing with his wife, who supports abortion rights. The couple told Jacobson she was trespassing and she should leave, but Jacobson refused, according to what Harvey told WOOD.

Harvey eventually emerged from a barn at his home with a .22-caliber rifle belonging to his wife, aimed at a pine tree out front and fired a warning shot. Then, “without thinking”, he said, he tried to use the rifle to “club” away a clipboard that the volunteer was holding, fearing she would hit Harvey’s wife with it.

According to Harvey, one of his fingers accidentally pulled the rifle’s trigger, and the ensuing shot hit the volunteer in the right shoulder.

“It went off,” Harvey said of the rifle he had pulled. “It was an accident.”'

[Typical Lax Dad]

“Future Candidate”? Don’t mean doodlie squat, Old Soviet. Is not and SHOULD NOT be an issue in this type of RICO prosecution. You think the news is bad now, your head hasn’t really begun to spin yet, comrade. Stay closely tuned.

It means everything. Otherwise, it'd be just another Sandy nothingBerger, Petraeus wheel book review with his biographer/mistress, Deutch's home computer document dump, or Clinton's yoga email mixup.

Actually? I agree with Old Salt here. If Trump is running for President next year? The Feds have to leave him alone UNLESS it's the easiest prosecution the world has ever seen. And I'm pretty sure it's not said layup.

Because if you don't get that conviction? That's a serious problem for our democracy.

Trump knows this, of course.

Same reason Comey didn't go after Hillary during an election campaign. Comey was right to do that. And Hillary paid the price for her games.....so in the end, Justice prevailed, and Hillary is gone.

I'll be stunned if the DoJ presses charges. Get the documents back, and move on.

He created the situation. Another way to destroy our prominence in the world. Dope.

OJ should have run for President. Could have avoided the trial.

[Farfromgeneva]

“Future Candidate”? Don’t mean doodlie squat, Old Soviet. Is not and SHOULD NOT be an issue in this type of RICO prosecution. You think the news is bad now, your head hasn’t really begun to spin yet, comrade. Stay closely tuned.

It means everything. Otherwise, it'd be just another Sandy nothingBerger, Petraeus wheel book review with his biographer/mistress, Deutch's home computer document dump, or Clinton's yoga email mixup.

Actually? I agree with Old Salt here. If Trump is running for President next year? The Feds have to leave him alone UNLESS it's the easiest prosecution the world has ever seen. And I'm pretty sure it's not said layup.

Because if you don't get that conviction? That's a serious problem for our democracy.

Trump knows this, of course.

Same reason Comey didn't go after Hillary during an election campaign. Comey was right to do that. And Hillary paid the price for her games.....so in the end, Justice prevailed, and Hillary is gone.

I'll be stunned if the DoJ presses charges. Get the documents back, and move on.

He created the situation. Another way to destroy our prominence in the world. Dope.

OJ should have run for President. Could have avoided the trial.

Seriously. If I knew how easy it was I would’ve started offing boyfriends and husbands of my ladies years ago. Move to Utah or Canada and start a harem police free.

[PizzaSnake]

This should help.

““It’s called a citizen’s audit and we’ve been going out and collecting the evidence that shows there is fraud in our process,” one speaker said. “This is our Tiananmen Square. We’re going to stand in front of the tanks and say no more to the machines.”

The group of residents casting doubt over Shasta’s elections is small but highly visible, and speaks regularly at county board meetings. They have filed dozens of public records requests to Allen’s office, showed up in large numbers for election observation, and even visited the homes of certain voters while wearing gear labeled “official voter taskforce” – an act that Allen said may amount to voter intimidation.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... for-safety