The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

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CU77 wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:48 pm
Now we can argue about which accommodations are reasonable and which requests conflict with or undermine the rights of other groups like women who need legal recognition as a sex class and spaces free from males, and children who need special protections from indoctrination and medical experimentation. A conversation about reasonable accommodations is a nuanced conversation. Instead, we got a radical trans movement that wants to erase sex in law and society, put men in women's prisons and boys in girls' sports, and run an unregulated medical experiment on gender-nonconforming children.

What we have now is a trans movement that has adopted radical ideologies about biology and, in doing so, now seeks to erase sex in law and society. This has given rise to an absurd and dystopian reality where men are granted access to women’s prisons, sports, and other protected spaces, and where gender-nonconforming children have become the target of unregulated medical experiments that involve puberty blocking drugs, cross-sex hormones, and extreme surgeries.
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All the 70s and 80s television police shows called. They want their transphobic, every transsexual is a sexual deviant criminal, story lines back.
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The move has led many to conclude that she was rejected because of her identity as a gender non-conforming student.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lif ... 40ace74090
I don't know what you call it when it's beyond horschidt but insert that word here.
"her identity as a gender non-conforming student" So the answer here is for all to conform to the non conformer.
Makes perfect sense.
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FMR. COLLEGIATE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR: Biden’s proposed changes to Title IX will harm women
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SCLaxAttack wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:28 pm All the 70s and 80s television police shows called. They want their transphobic, every transsexual is a sexual deviant criminal, story lines back.
Which is not remotely close to what the article actually says. But thanks for playing!
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DMac wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:19 am
The move has led many to conclude that she was rejected because of her identity as a gender non-conforming student.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lif ... 40ace74090
I don't know what you call it when it's beyond horschidt but insert that word here.
"her identity as a gender non-conforming student" So the answer here is for all to conform to the non conformer.
Makes perfect sense.
Brookie already mentioned this one, DMac. He thinks it's another horrific example of "hate" and "bigotry".

Hey, I just thought of something! If you can change your legal sex just by declaration, how about age?

For example, can a 15-year-old boy (in need of some brewskis for him & his bros) just declare that his "age identity" is now 21?

After all, in most blue states right now, he can declare himself to be a girl, and then that's it, for legal purposes: he is now a girl.

Yeah, we definitely need an "age identity" movement!
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CU77 wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:50 am
DMac wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:19 am
The move has led many to conclude that she was rejected because of her identity as a gender non-conforming student.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lif ... 40ace74090
I don't know what you call it when it's beyond horschidt but insert that word here.
"her identity as a gender non-conforming student" So the answer here is for all to conform to the non conformer.
Makes perfect sense.
Brookie already mentioned this one, DMac. He thinks it's another horrific example of "hate" and "bigotry".

Hey, I just thought of something! If you can change your legal sex just by declaration, how about age?

For example, can a 15-year-old boy (in need of some brewskis for him & his bros) just declare that his "age identity" is now 21?

After all, in most blue states right now, he can declare himself to be a girl, and then that's it, for legal purposes: he is now a girl.

Yeah, we definitely need an "age identity" movement!
It's out there...https://www.nambla.org/alhonte.html I wonder if Brooklyn and others are members?
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CU77 wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:40 am
SCLaxAttack wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:28 pm All the 70s and 80s television police shows called. They want their transphobic, every transsexual is a sexual deviant criminal, story lines back.
Which is not remotely close to what the article actually says. But thanks for playing!
Geez, I'm sure that cartoon puts "child safety" right out there on the track to get run over by transgender rights. Because it's someone's transgenderedness that puts kids at risk. Maybe the English I read is different than yours.

But thanks for playing! :roll:
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"Child safety" is actually a huge issue.
Puberty Suppression: Medicine or Malpractice?
https://lesbians-united.org/organizatio ... actice.pdf
The future of pediatric medicine: Chemical castration and surgical mutilation
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rest ... mutilation
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I guess next we'll be denying surgery for cleft palates, eyeglasses and other fixes for birth defects due to politicization.

Or performing unnecessary surgery just after birth before assessing the actual situation.

Sometimes people's brains develop differently from their body. Sometimes it takes years to figure that out.

Don't swallow the outrage pill...
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Speaking of outrage pill, way to rile up the base. If this is what she wants I know I’m on the right side of the issue:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/re ... elony/amp/

I love that co-sponsor list - twelve Republicans whose combined IQ doesn’t reach 1000.
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At a debate over "trans women" at UC Berkeley, a molecular geneticist said:

"Women have internalized misogyny to the point where the man's comfort takes precedence over the woman's safety."
https://twitter.com/WomenReadWomen/stat ... 7093841921
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CU77 wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:14 pm
At a debate over "trans women" at UC Berkeley, a molecular geneticist said:

"Women have internalized misogyny to the point where the man's comfort takes precedence over the woman's safety."
https://twitter.com/WomenReadWomen/stat ... 7093841921
sorry, but she's incredibly misinformed...yes, women do beat up other women...and they sexually assault them...in prison. Not just men to men.

https://www.ajc.com/news/women-sexually ... L6LUMSOSM/

She's just out to lunch...but it's indeed a perspective that deserves at least some empathy.
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CU77 wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:50 am After all, in most blue states right now, he can declare himself to be a girl, and then that's it, for legal purposes: he is now a girl.
Source? From what I can find this is not even remotely true. Not even in the new act you keep talking about.
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In California, you can change your gender marker on your birth certificate or driver's license without a court order or medical certification. You can change it to male, female, or nonbinary.
https://selfhelp.courts.ca.gov/gender-r ... -documents
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:46 pm She's just out to lunch...but it's indeed a perspective that deserves at least some empathy.
Until recently, she had the right to free association: the right to spaces, places, organizations, and events restricted to WOMEN ONLY.

Now these have all been invaded by men, and the women are told to sit down and shut up.

Or just be permanently excluded, like Julie Jaman.

It's the revenge of the partriarchy.

Men get to do whatever the f*** they want, whenever the f*** they want, wherever the f*** they want.

And if women don't like it, too f***ing bad for them.
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CU77 wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:41 pm
In California, you can change your gender marker on your birth certificate or driver's license without a court order or medical certification. You can change it to male, female, or nonbinary.
https://selfhelp.courts.ca.gov/gender-r ... -documents
Fun! Looks like a ton of legal hoops to still jump through to get any of those changes made according to that website. Including some court orders for some things and medical signoffs for others depending what document and level you're changing. And nothing touches the federal stuff. So you're not legally another gender in California or Federally in many or even most cases, it just changes what's listed on some documents. No "I declare bankruptcy / new gender" kind of stuff there. Good read though, thanks for the exercise.

And that's just one state where it's still pretty tough... You said most.

Then factor in how many people are trans. How many of those then want to play sports. There's a reason we have just a handful of these examples over the last few decades. And sports organizations adjust accordingly.

Then think how many trans people are assaulting kids in bathrooms or locker rooms? One or two high profile cases every few years? In general, it's a population that wants to be left alone and do their own thing without being assaulted or murdered. They're the ones being attacked in much higher rates.

People are making mountains out of molehills just to make you angry. You're being played.
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CU77 wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:08 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:46 pm She's just out to lunch...but it's indeed a perspective that deserves at least some empathy.
Until recently, she had the right to free association: the right to spaces, places, organizations, and events restricted to WOMEN ONLY.

Now these have all been invaded by men, and the women are told to sit down and shut up.

Or just be permanently excluded, like Julie Jaman.

It's the revenge of the partriarchy.

Men get to do whatever the f*** they want, whenever the f*** they want, wherever the f*** they want.

And if women don't like it, too f***ing bad for them.
Excellent. It sounds like female-to-male transgendered people, who make up about 25% of the transgendered population, aren’t an issue for CU77. We’re making progress.

Or maybe it’s that CU77 doesn’t really care to educate himself about the transgendered before establishing his opinions.

Yep, probably the latter.
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In California, there is no need to actually change your birth certificate or govt-issued ID if you are a man who wants to hang out in the women's locker room at the gym. All you have to do is declare that you are trans, and that's it: they have to let you in.
DECEMBER 8, 2021
SAN DIEGO – Christynne Wood was devoted to her workouts at the gym now known as Crunch Fitness in El Cajon, California. She lost more than 100 pounds, as urgently advised by medical personnel, and made several friends among staffers and patrons.

But nine years into her membership, when she informed the gym’s management that she was in the process of transitioning to female, Wood’s relationship with Crunch radically changed. Management refused to allow her use of the women’s locker room and restroom, even though that was clearly her right under California law.

Today, the ACLU Foundation of Southern California, the ACLU Foundation of San Diego and Imperial Counties, and the law firm Nixon Peabody LLP announce the settlement of a discrimination lawsuit filed on Wood’s behalf in 2018 by the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing.

Wood will receive a payment and the gym has agreed that all its employees will undergo anti-discrimination training, including the identification and prevention of harassment based on gender expression.
https://www.aclusocal.org/en/press-rele ... ocker-room

So, a man decides he's actually a woman, demands to be let into the women's locker room, and the law mandates that he be let in.

I am against it.

I believe women (and men) are entitled to the rights of privacy, dignity, and free association. Women (and men) should be free to have facilities that bar the other sex.
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CU77 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:22 am In California, there is no need to actually change your birth certificate or govt-issued ID if you are a man who wants to hang out in the women's locker room at the gym. All you have to do is declare that you are trans, and that's it: they have to let you in.

https://www.aclusocal.org/en/press-rele ... ocker-room

So, a man decides he's actually a woman, demands to be let into the women's locker room, and the law mandates that he be let in.

I am against it.

I believe women (and men) are entitled to the rights of privacy, dignity, and free association. Women (and men) should be free to have facilities that bar the other sex.
From your own article:

"She began transitioning to female with the support of health care providers."

"But there were incidences of harassment, including at Crunch Fitness where a man approached Wood in the men’s locker room, smiling and grabbing his genitals".

"Wood requested use of the women’s facilities but was told she needed to obtain a doctor’s verification of her transitioning. On Sept. 30, 2016, she presented a letter that not only confirmed her treatments, but also stated it was “very important” she be able to use the women’s facilities. "

"Still, she was denied them. In October 2016, Wood was given free access to use a premium locker room, but it was a men’s facility. Even after she obtained a Superior Court order legally changing her name and gender, Crunch Fitness refused to let her use the women’s locker room."

So this was all after medically transitioning, showing a medical verification, and getting a court order to change her legal identity. Yup, sounds like she just declared she was a woman and they let her in. :roll: And no concern about her getting harassed in the men's locker room either.
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CU77 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:22 am In California, there is no need to actually change your birth certificate or govt-issued ID if you are a man who wants to hang out in the women's locker room at the gym. All you have to do is declare that you are trans, and that's it: they have to let you in.
DECEMBER 8, 2021
SAN DIEGO – Christynne Wood was devoted to her workouts at the gym now known as Crunch Fitness in El Cajon, California. She lost more than 100 pounds, as urgently advised by medical personnel, and made several friends among staffers and patrons.

But nine years into her membership, when she informed the gym’s management that she was in the process of transitioning to female, Wood’s relationship with Crunch radically changed. Management refused to allow her use of the women’s locker room and restroom, even though that was clearly her right under California law.

Today, the ACLU Foundation of Southern California, the ACLU Foundation of San Diego and Imperial Counties, and the law firm Nixon Peabody LLP announce the settlement of a discrimination lawsuit filed on Wood’s behalf in 2018 by the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing.

Wood will receive a payment and the gym has agreed that all its employees will undergo anti-discrimination training, including the identification and prevention of harassment based on gender expression.
https://www.aclusocal.org/en/press-rele ... ocker-room

So, a man decides he's actually a woman, demands to be let into the women's locker room, and the law mandates that he be let in.

I am against it.

I believe women (and men) are entitled to the rights of privacy, dignity, and free association. Women (and men) should be free to have facilities that bar the other sex.
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