Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

[NattyBohChamps04]

We do have a labor shortage...

[kramerica.inc]

Immigrants have historically always made this country better.
An infusion of work ethic, new perspectives and optimism is what makes America so awesome.

[kramerica.inc]

Despite migrant crisis, border ‘not real focus’ for Biden in summit with Mexico President AMLO

https://nypost.com/2021/11/18/biden-say ... dent-amlo/

[PizzaSnake]

Haven’t they read their Adam Smith? How are they going to counteract the inexorable power of the “invisible hand” propelling these people towards the allure and glamour ( meant in the original sense of the word) of the “American Dream” (as defined by George Carlin)?

‘and dangerous measures migrants are taking, even as governments in both Mexico and the United States attempt to stop the flow northward.

The U.S. government has in recent years implemented a series of policies taking a harsher approach to deterring migrants. Officials in the Biden administration have repeatedly and explicitly told them not to come.

“I am saddened to see the tragic loss of life and injuries of migrants traveling in Chiapas,” said U.S. ambassador Ken Salazar on Twitter on Thursday night. “Human smugglers disregard human life for their own profit. Please don’t risk your lives to migrate irregularly.”‘

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/10/worl ... crash.html

[CU88]

Haven’t they read their Adam Smith? How are they going to counteract the inexorable power of the “invisible hand” propelling these people towards the allure and glamour ( meant in the original sense of the word) of the “American Dream” (as defined by George Carlin)?

‘and dangerous measures migrants are taking, even as governments in both Mexico and the United States attempt to stop the flow northward.

The U.S. government has in recent years implemented a series of policies taking a harsher approach to deterring migrants. Officials in the Biden administration have repeatedly and explicitly told them not to come.

“I am saddened to see the tragic loss of life and injuries of migrants traveling in Chiapas,” said U.S. ambassador Ken Salazar on Twitter on Thursday night. “Human smugglers disregard human life for their own profit. Please don’t risk your lives to migrate irregularly.”‘

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/10/worl ... crash.html

Carlin was wonderful. The American Dream, you have to be asleep to believe it.

Seems quiet on the illegal immigration front these days, must not be election season for the r's to rally up voters via hate and fear...

[Brooklyn]

Immigrants have historically always made this country better.
An infusion of work ethic, new perspectives and optimism is what makes America so awesome.

Right wingers don't quite see it that way when it comes to people from Latin America. But they are perfectly ok with a massive influx of Afghans. We've had news reports of several families being welcomed with open arms, being given jobs and new houses, and experiencing the American Dream over night. Sadly, hundreds of unemployed and homeless veterans roam the frozen streets but those same right wingers don't give a d@mn about them.

[dislaxxic]

Five Points On Greg Abbott’s Disastrous National Guard Border Deployment

When Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) announced in March last year that he would be sending hundreds of Texas National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border, he spurred a wave of posturing from Republican governors over “securing” the border. Following Texas’ lead, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sent Florida state law enforcement officers and National Guard troops to Texas. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem sent her state’s troops as well — funded by a Tennessee auto scrap billionaire.

State police deployed in conjunction with the troops have stuffed Texas jails full of thousands of migrants and asylum seekers facing misdemeanor trespassing charges.

Over time, though, the media attention faded. The politics grew less potent. But Texas’ troops are still there. And things are getting bleak. Here are five points on the current situation with Abbott’s “Operation Lonestar.”

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[Brooklyn]

125,000 immigrants from Afghanistan and now according to WGN News, another 75,000 coming in from Ukraine.

Tens of thousands of homeless veterans, millions living in poverty - so, whatever happened to all that talk about the evils of open borders that would destroy America?

[Brooklyn]

Another 100,000 entering our shores from Ukraine:

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/24/10885064 ... e-refugees


The United States will welcome up to 100,000 Ukrainians and other displaced people fleeing the conflict in Ukraine, a senior administration official told reporters traveling with President Biden on Thursday.

While most displaced Ukrainians want to stay in Europe, the U.S. government expects to use its refugee admission program as well as the parole system and immigrant and non-immigrant visas to bring in Ukrainians, the official said, noting Ukrainian-Americans are eager to welcome family members into the country.



Who condemns the immigrant caravan like you do when it is composed of Latin Americans?

[Brooklyn]

Title 42 Led to 1.5 Million Deportations. Biden Should’ve Repealed It Earlier.

https://truthout.org/articles/title-42- ... t-earlier/


The Biden administration has finally announced that, come May 23, it will no longer be summarily deporting asylum seekers back across the border into Mexico as part of the U.S.’s response to COVID-19.

This is a momentous reversal of one of the Trump era’s most destructive anti-immigrant policies, coming on the heels of the Biden administration’s announcement nearly three weeks earlier that it was ending the summary-deportation policy for unaccompanied children. But it was a decision that ought to have come 15 months earlier.

For more than two years, asylum seekers attempting to cross the U.S.-Mexico border have been summarily deported under a public health rule known as Title 42, which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) invoked in response to the pandemic. This allowed a bypassing of traditional court processes, and a de facto shutting down of the land border to those hoping to claim asylum after crossing into the U.S.

It was, for Donald Trump’s anti-immigration henchman Stephen Miller, the culmination of years of lobbying to use Title 42 as a catch-all regulation that would allow the administration to essentially shut down the southern border and deny sanctuary to pretty much anybody claiming asylum in the country. After putting the activation of Title 42 on a “wish list” of anti-immigration policies in 2017 shortly after Trump was inaugurated, Miller had, in the intervening years, repeatedly attempted to get the CDC to invoke the rule in response to mumps and flu outbreaks. Knowing that this was politically motivated rather than driven by sound public health principles, the CDC balked ...



Here's the key: ... it took 15 months, and the war in Ukraine, for the Biden administration to finally locate its moral compass on the issue.

[old salt]

...now MDLF76 is spinning that we may have missed the phantom whipping of Haitian migrants, even though they were not captured on video.

The entire flap was based on the video images, which were willfully misinterpreted & misrepresented.

No Dems were concerned about the debacle in Del Rio until they generated a way to play the race card.

Meanwhile, Kismet can't grasp the concept that the Haitian diaspora in S America is capitalizing on the humanitarian situation in Haiti due to the earthquake there, to choose this opportunity to exploit Biden's open border non-enforcement policy. They picked a weak spot in our border defense to exploit. The next surge may target McAllen. The smugglers have a stretegy, we do not.

Yes, we have a very limited set of pictures and some snippets of video...I haven't seen any extended amounts that represent the whole time they were corralling the migrants from horseback, have you?

So, before we say people are lying, let's admit we really don't know. Indeed, can't know.

That said, I do agree that what we see on tape could be explained by general corralling technique, not actually striking anyone...same with cattle, you don't need to hit them to move them; btw, the horse movement is primarily through legs, not whistling rope; there's a certain amount of the Fox guy that was actually true, but also a heavy load of BS...it's intimidating for sure...and there's also pictures of migrants being grabbed and thrown....the guy on Fox wasn't there, so he too really doesn't know how far it went.

I'm generally sympathetic with the agents, but yes, it absolutely was a very bad look, white men on horseback intimidating and corralling black people. Yup, can't ignore the bad imagery.

But no, this humanitarian crisis was being heavily reported and reacted to on mainstream media, including with politicians, prior to the horseback fiasco. But you're right, the horseback stuff got a whole lot of attention.

and no, you don't know, and I don't know what the precipitating element was of this movement other than giving up on Haiti. This notion that there's been some sea change in border access policy that suddenly made it make sense to rush the border just doesn't hold up...how come others aren't rushing...yes, there's been more overall, a serious issue, but it's total BS that there are open borders. Just not buying it.

It's the extreme partisan BS that makes you not credible, Salty.
We get it, seen it from you over and over again.

Has anyone on the scene reported that they saw a CBP horseman strike a migrant with a rein ?
Any photo or video evidence ? The photog said he never saw that.
What's Biden's basis for saying they were "strapped".

Do you think the CBP horsemen were acting on their own ? Who do they work for ?
Are mounted police supposed to be used for crowd control only when containing white people,
or should just black or brown horsemen be used, depending on the color of who is being contained ?

Biden has lost control of our southern border. He's making a pretense of enforcing our immigration laws.
It's only this uproar from his black supporters that's forcing him to confront the humanitarian disaster he has enabled.
It's your extreme partisan reflexive spin, in the face of facts, that makes you not credible.

Ahhh, you forget, I'm not at all partisan, much to the chagrin of my fellow Republicans on here.

I haven't seen anyone actually hit by the reins, but just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean it didn't happen at all...we simply don't know. You don't and I don't. If Biden, too, doesn't have clear info on that, then he shouldn't claim it happened...but the point is not whether or how many times people were struck that way, the intimidation was very real. If I had been a migrant from that perspective, I certainly would have perceived that threat...and we do see the horsemen grabbing and throwing migrants from horseback, so we know it was physical.

I didn't see any horsemen ride into the Jan 6 mob to force them back...did you?
Nope, just seeing it with black migrants...and the imagery is really, really bad.

...it only took 7 mos to find that no one saw anyone whipped, ...but it still might have happened.

[MDlaxfan76]

...now MDLF76 is spinning that we may have missed the phantom whipping of Haitian migrants, even though they were not captured on video.

The entire flap was based on the video images, which were willfully misinterpreted & misrepresented.

No Dems were concerned about the debacle in Del Rio until they generated a way to play the race card.

Meanwhile, Kismet can't grasp the concept that the Haitian diaspora in S America is capitalizing on the humanitarian situation in Haiti due to the earthquake there, to choose this opportunity to exploit Biden's open border non-enforcement policy. They picked a weak spot in our border defense to exploit. The next surge may target McAllen. The smugglers have a stretegy, we do not.

Yes, we have a very limited set of pictures and some snippets of video...I haven't seen any extended amounts that represent the whole time they were corralling the migrants from horseback, have you?

So, before we say people are lying, let's admit we really don't know. Indeed, can't know.

That said, I do agree that what we see on tape could be explained by general corralling technique, not actually striking anyone...same with cattle, you don't need to hit them to move them; btw, the horse movement is primarily through legs, not whistling rope; there's a certain amount of the Fox guy that was actually true, but also a heavy load of BS...it's intimidating for sure...and there's also pictures of migrants being grabbed and thrown....the guy on Fox wasn't there, so he too really doesn't know how far it went.

I'm generally sympathetic with the agents, but yes, it absolutely was a very bad look, white men on horseback intimidating and corralling black people. Yup, can't ignore the bad imagery.

But no, this humanitarian crisis was being heavily reported and reacted to on mainstream media, including with politicians, prior to the horseback fiasco. But you're right, the horseback stuff got a whole lot of attention.

and no, you don't know, and I don't know what the precipitating element was of this movement other than giving up on Haiti. This notion that there's been some sea change in border access policy that suddenly made it make sense to rush the border just doesn't hold up...how come others aren't rushing...yes, there's been more overall, a serious issue, but it's total BS that there are open borders. Just not buying it.

It's the extreme partisan BS that makes you not credible, Salty.
We get it, seen it from you over and over again.

Has anyone on the scene reported that they saw a CBP horseman strike a migrant with a rein ?
Any photo or video evidence ? The photog said he never saw that.
What's Biden's basis for saying they were "strapped".

Do you think the CBP horsemen were acting on their own ? Who do they work for ?
Are mounted police supposed to be used for crowd control only when containing white people,
or should just black or brown horsemen be used, depending on the color of who is being contained ?

Biden has lost control of our southern border. He's making a pretense of enforcing our immigration laws.
It's only this uproar from his black supporters that's forcing him to confront the humanitarian disaster he has enabled.
It's your extreme partisan reflexive spin, in the face of facts, that makes you not credible.

Ahhh, you forget, I'm not at all partisan, much to the chagrin of my fellow Republicans on here.

I haven't seen anyone actually hit by the reins, but just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean it didn't happen at all...we simply don't know. You don't and I don't. If Biden, too, doesn't have clear info on that, then he shouldn't claim it happened...but the point is not whether or how many times people were struck that way, the intimidation was very real. If I had been a migrant from that perspective, I certainly would have perceived that threat...and we do see the horsemen grabbing and throwing migrants from horseback, so we know it was physical.

I didn't see any horsemen ride into the Jan 6 mob to force them back...did you?
Nope, just seeing it with black migrants...and the imagery is really, really bad.

...it only took 7 mos to find that no one saw anyone whipped, ...but it still might have happened.

yup, only might have.
The imagery was awful.

[cradleandshoot]

No link but apparently Ukrainian immigrants are getting priority treatment coming in through the southern border. That is not going over very well with the new crop of illegals also storming the border for what they are entitled to.. How come those white Europeans are jumping the line????

[cradleandshoot]

No link but apparently Ukrainian immigrants are getting priority treatment coming in through the southern border. That is not going over very well with the new crop of illegals also storming the border for what they are entitled to.. How come those white Europeans are jumping the line????

[RedFromMI]

Gov. Greg Abbott truck inspections turned up zero drugs, migrants but cost Texas $4.2 billion
The costly policy, which experts estimate cost hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of a single week, did not result in any migrant detentions or illegal substance seizures.

https://www.lmtonline.com/politics/arti ... 119380.php

Gov. Greg Abbott increasing inspections of commercial trucks entering from Mexico in the hopes of staunching illegal smuggling activity resulted in zero migrants detentions or illegal drug seizures, despite allegedly costing the Lone Star State billions of dollars.

Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller stated in an email to supporters this week that the enhanced truck inspections cost Texas consumers and businesses an estimated $4.3 billion "despite not catching a single illegal alien or confiscating a single gram of illegal drugs."

"However, Governor Abbott successfully persuaded Mexico states to enhance security on their side of the border," Miller added. "Both of these things are true at the same time."

The Texas Tribune reports that over an eight-day period beginning on April 8, troopers conducted more than 1,400 truck inspections. Despite no drugs being discovered, troopers managed to take 850 trucks off the road for various equipment violations, including under-inflated tires, broken turn signals and oil leaks.

The inspections also created a backlog of 18-wheelers on both sides of the border, with some truckers reporting waiting more than 30 hours for a process that typically takes three hours, according to the Dallas Morning News. The delays resulted in $240 million in spoiled produce and empty shelves at local markets.

Miller's estimate roughly coincides with findings released by The Perryman Group, a Waco-based economic analysis firm, which estimates the delays cost the state $4.2 billion in gross domestic product and the U.S. nearly $9 billion in GDP.

Abbott ordered the enhanced truck inspections in response to President Joe Biden ending Title 42, a border policy that allowed federal agents to quickly deport migrants attempting to enter the country citing COVID-19 restrictions. Last week, the Republican leader called off the inspection initiative after signing agreements with leaders of four Mexican states that border Texas who said they would increase border security measures.

Despite the economic impacts of shutting down traffic at the border, Abbott isn't ruling out reinstating the policy. Asked about the impacts during a roundtable with law enforcement in San Antonio Thursday, Abbott responded, "Obviously there are concerns about the economy but there are even larger concerns about the unabated immigration that the Biden administration is promoting."

[Brooklyn]

https://youtu.be/b8kkEOF0EUs

[old salt]

https://www.lmtonline.com/politics/arti ... 119380.php
The Texas Tribune reports that over an eight-day period beginning on April 8, troopers conducted more than 1,400 truck inspections. Despite no drugs being discovered, troopers managed to take 850 trucks off the road for various equipment violations, including under-inflated tires, broken turn signals and oil leaks.

The inspections also created a backlog of 18-wheelers on both sides of the border, with some truckers reporting waiting more than 30 hours for a process that typically takes three hours, according to the Dallas Morning News. The delays resulted in $240 million in spoiled produce and empty shelves at local markets.

Local & regional truck farms.

[CU88]

A year after the U.S. barred Mexicans from crossing the border to sell their blood, pharmaceutical companies have acknowledged that those donations provided as much as 10% of the plasma collected nationwide as they seek to have the ban overturned.

https://www.propublica.org/article/phar ... er#1369834

[jhu72]

The Idaho Story: The dairyman and the immigrant.

[a fan]

The Idaho Story: The dairyman and the immigrant.

Keep saying that if you don't believe where the ACTUAL immigration problem lies, ask a farmer.

Because EVERYONE listens to farmers, regardless of politics. Especially so with smaller farms.

Pretty moving stuff. Wouldn't it be nice if these Idaho farmers could show the rest of American farmers to kick the politicians that are in the way---both D's and R's----out of their way, and actually fix this 40 year old problem?

Naaah. Let's instead build a pointless wall, and find new people to hate. Because hate solves everything, right?