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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:19 pm Getting paid to not win. What a great scam.

American universities create incredible devotion. Not really much different than pro sports though. Take any number of teams that don't ever win championships yet still sell out stadiums and have huge revenues. There are too many to list.

At the end of the day, it's entertainment, and that entertainment, in the B1G's case, is worth more money currently that the SEC. Winning the B1G championship in football isn't the NC, but in the circles of the conference, it's a close second.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:01 pm OSU in 02 squeaking by Miami. Next Midwest champ? 1997 tied between Mich and Nebraska.

Basically this is a southern sport masquerading as a National one.
THE Ohio…STATE..University was robbed against Clemson. But I agree that SEC football is at a different level. Other than the Buckeyes, not sure if anyone outside of the deep south is a national title contender.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:27 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:01 pm OSU in 02 squeaking by Miami. Next Midwest champ? 1997 tied between Mich and Nebraska.

Basically this is a southern sport masquerading as a National one.
THE Ohio…STATE..University was robbed against Clemson. But I agree that SEC football is at a different level. Other than the Buckeyes, not sure if anyone outside of the deep south is a national title contender.
But that pass play in 02 OT call was shaky so it all comes around.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:39 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:27 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:01 pm OSU in 02 squeaking by Miami. Next Midwest champ? 1997 tied between Mich and Nebraska.

Basically this is a southern sport masquerading as a National one.
THE Ohio…STATE..University was robbed against Clemson. But I agree that SEC football is at a different level. Other than the Buckeyes, not sure if anyone outside of the deep south is a national title contender.
But that pass play in 02 OT call was shaky so it all comes around.
Should not have come to that. Bad calls. The targeting call was particularly awful!
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Re: NCAA reorg imminent

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1766 wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:19 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:19 pm Getting paid to not win. What a great scam.

American universities create incredible devotion. Not really much different than pro sports though. Take any number of teams that don't ever win championships yet still sell out stadiums and have huge revenues. There are too many to list.

At the end of the day, it's entertainment, and that entertainment, in the B1G's case, is worth more money currently that the SEC. Winning the B1G championship in football isn't the NC, but in the circles of the conference, it's a close second.
curious, how do you come to the conclusion that the b1g entertainment is worth more money currently than the sec?

source?
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wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:53 pm
1766 wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:19 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:19 pm Getting paid to not win. What a great scam.

American universities create incredible devotion. Not really much different than pro sports though. Take any number of teams that don't ever win championships yet still sell out stadiums and have huge revenues. There are too many to list.

At the end of the day, it's entertainment, and that entertainment, in the B1G's case, is worth more money currently that the SEC. Winning the B1G championship in football isn't the NC, but in the circles of the conference, it's a close second.
curious, how do you come to the conclusion that the b1g entertainment is worth more money currently than the sec?

source?
B1G’s revenue distribution per school is higher than that of the SEC. B1G is number one, while the ACC is an anemic fifth.

When data analysis firm Navigate released its 2022 conference revenue projections in March, it had the Big 12 at $40.6 million, while the Big Ten was forecast at $57.2 million and the SEC at $54.3 million. The Pac-12 was projected at $34.4 million per school, while the ACC was at $30.9 million.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/foo ... ars-behind

B1G is likely to pad that lead now that they have the two major Los Angeles sports programs, USC and UCLA.

SEC may dominate the football championships, but it’s the B1G that dominates the four largest media markets … New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

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DocBarrister wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:31 pm
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:53 pm
1766 wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:19 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:19 pm Getting paid to not win. What a great scam.

American universities create incredible devotion. Not really much different than pro sports though. Take any number of teams that don't ever win championships yet still sell out stadiums and have huge revenues. There are too many to list.

At the end of the day, it's entertainment, and that entertainment, in the B1G's case, is worth more money currently that the SEC. Winning the B1G championship in football isn't the NC, but in the circles of the conference, it's a close second.
curious, how do you come to the conclusion that the b1g entertainment is worth more money currently than the sec?

source?
B1G’s revenue distribution per school is higher than that of the SEC. B1G is number one, while the ACC is an anemic fifth.

When data analysis firm Navigate released its 2022 conference revenue projections in March, it had the Big 12 at $40.6 million, while the Big Ten was forecast at $57.2 million and the SEC at $54.3 million. The Pac-12 was projected at $34.4 million per school, while the ACC was at $30.9 million.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/foo ... ars-behind

B1G is likely to pad that lead now that they have the two major Los Angeles sports programs, USC and UCLA.

SEC may dominate the football championships, but it’s the B1G that dominates the four largest media markets … New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

DocBarrister
well, that projection's wrong, for one thing. they say as much in the top of the article re: the big 12.
what i recall, sec for conference money was at 54, b1g was 46-49, depending, big 12 43 and the acc 36+. pac 12 around 30.

not really a mountain of difference 1 or 2 slots apart, but the sec was the clear winner. you have an actual b1g number, not a projection?
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wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:47 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:31 pm
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:53 pm
1766 wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:19 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:19 pm Getting paid to not win. What a great scam.

American universities create incredible devotion. Not really much different than pro sports though. Take any number of teams that don't ever win championships yet still sell out stadiums and have huge revenues. There are too many to list.

At the end of the day, it's entertainment, and that entertainment, in the B1G's case, is worth more money currently that the SEC. Winning the B1G championship in football isn't the NC, but in the circles of the conference, it's a close second.
curious, how do you come to the conclusion that the b1g entertainment is worth more money currently than the sec?

source?
B1G’s revenue distribution per school is higher than that of the SEC. B1G is number one, while the ACC is an anemic fifth.

When data analysis firm Navigate released its 2022 conference revenue projections in March, it had the Big 12 at $40.6 million, while the Big Ten was forecast at $57.2 million and the SEC at $54.3 million. The Pac-12 was projected at $34.4 million per school, while the ACC was at $30.9 million.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/foo ... ars-behind

B1G is likely to pad that lead now that they have the two major Los Angeles sports programs, USC and UCLA.

SEC may dominate the football championships, but it’s the B1G that dominates the four largest media markets … New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

DocBarrister
well, that projection's wrong, for one thing. they say as much in the top of the article re: the big 12.
what i recall, sec for conference money was at 54, b1g was 46-49, depending, big 12 43 and the acc 36+. pac 12 around 30.

not really a mountain of difference 1 or 2 slots apart, but the sec was the clear winner. you have an actual b1g number, not a projection?
Source for your numbers?

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Re: NCAA reorg imminent

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DocBarrister wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:19 pm
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:47 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:31 pm
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:53 pm
1766 wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:19 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:19 pm Getting paid to not win. What a great scam.

American universities create incredible devotion. Not really much different than pro sports though. Take any number of teams that don't ever win championships yet still sell out stadiums and have huge revenues. There are too many to list.

At the end of the day, it's entertainment, and that entertainment, in the B1G's case, is worth more money currently that the SEC. Winning the B1G championship in football isn't the NC, but in the circles of the conference, it's a close second.
curious, how do you come to the conclusion that the b1g entertainment is worth more money currently than the sec?

source?
B1G’s revenue distribution per school is higher than that of the SEC. B1G is number one, while the ACC is an anemic fifth.

When data analysis firm Navigate released its 2022 conference revenue projections in March, it had the Big 12 at $40.6 million, while the Big Ten was forecast at $57.2 million and the SEC at $54.3 million. The Pac-12 was projected at $34.4 million per school, while the ACC was at $30.9 million.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/foo ... ars-behind

B1G is likely to pad that lead now that they have the two major Los Angeles sports programs, USC and UCLA.

SEC may dominate the football championships, but it’s the B1G that dominates the four largest media markets … New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

DocBarrister
well, that projection's wrong, for one thing. they say as much in the top of the article re: the big 12.
what i recall, sec for conference money was at 54, b1g was 46-49, depending, big 12 43 and the acc 36+. pac 12 around 30.

not really a mountain of difference 1 or 2 slots apart, but the sec was the clear winner. you have an actual b1g number, not a projection?
Source for your numbers?

DocBarrister
https://www.wholehogsports.com/news/202 ... er-school/
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/D ... enues.aspx
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 855686002/
you have google, right? noteworthy i wasn't asking you for your source. you just decided to (definitively, once again) chime in.
my recall, not source, was pretty good.
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wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:56 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:19 pm
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:47 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:31 pm
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:53 pm
1766 wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:19 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:19 pm Getting paid to not win. What a great scam.

American universities create incredible devotion. Not really much different than pro sports though. Take any number of teams that don't ever win championships yet still sell out stadiums and have huge revenues. There are too many to list.

At the end of the day, it's entertainment, and that entertainment, in the B1G's case, is worth more money currently that the SEC. Winning the B1G championship in football isn't the NC, but in the circles of the conference, it's a close second.
curious, how do you come to the conclusion that the b1g entertainment is worth more money currently than the sec?

source?
B1G’s revenue distribution per school is higher than that of the SEC. B1G is number one, while the ACC is an anemic fifth.

When data analysis firm Navigate released its 2022 conference revenue projections in March, it had the Big 12 at $40.6 million, while the Big Ten was forecast at $57.2 million and the SEC at $54.3 million. The Pac-12 was projected at $34.4 million per school, while the ACC was at $30.9 million.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/foo ... ars-behind

B1G is likely to pad that lead now that they have the two major Los Angeles sports programs, USC and UCLA.

SEC may dominate the football championships, but it’s the B1G that dominates the four largest media markets … New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

DocBarrister
well, that projection's wrong, for one thing. they say as much in the top of the article re: the big 12.
what i recall, sec for conference money was at 54, b1g was 46-49, depending, big 12 43 and the acc 36+. pac 12 around 30.

not really a mountain of difference 1 or 2 slots apart, but the sec was the clear winner. you have an actual b1g number, not a projection?
Source for your numbers?

DocBarrister
https://www.wholehogsports.com/news/202 ... er-school/
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/D ... enues.aspx
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 855686002/
you have google, right? noteworthy i wasn't asking you for your source. you just decided to (definitively, once again) chime in.
my recall, not source, was pretty good.
You need to do a bit more homework.

Those figures are from the 2020-2021 fiscal year, which were heavily skewed by the pandemic. SEC made the most revenue that fiscal year because they played the most football games in the 2020 pandemic football season. See the article below discussing this.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-f ... -2021/amp/

The last figures from a “normal” pre-pandemic season (2019) were from the 2019-2020 fiscal year, which showed the B1G clearly ahead of the SEC.

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/.amp ... ue-indiana

The B1G also led all conferences in revenue (comfortably) during the 2018-2019 fiscal year, which included the 2018 season.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/c ... 414405002/

The 2021 season is the most recent “normal” season, but we will not see the actual figures for that season until 2023, when taxes are filed for the 2021-2022 fiscal year, hence the use of projected distributions.

The B1G is set to take a big lead anyway, since the conference is renegotiating its media contracts this year. I believe SEC contracts are up in 2024.

https://theathletic.com/3363313/2022/06 ... faq/?amp=1

The wild card may be whether the CFP expands. If the CFP expands to 12 teams, SEC revenue could get a big bump, assuming SEC teams dominate the playoff slots. Barring a development like that, B1G should continue leading in revenue because of its larger media markets.

Notre Dame going to the B1G, of course, would likely help the B1G pad their lead.

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Re: NCAA reorg imminent

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DocBarrister wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:04 am
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:56 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:19 pm
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:47 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:31 pm
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:53 pm
1766 wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:19 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:19 pm Getting paid to not win. What a great scam.

American universities create incredible devotion. Not really much different than pro sports though. Take any number of teams that don't ever win championships yet still sell out stadiums and have huge revenues. There are too many to list.

At the end of the day, it's entertainment, and that entertainment, in the B1G's case, is worth more money currently that the SEC. Winning the B1G championship in football isn't the NC, but in the circles of the conference, it's a close second.
curious, how do you come to the conclusion that the b1g entertainment is worth more money currently than the sec?

source?
B1G’s revenue distribution per school is higher than that of the SEC. B1G is number one, while the ACC is an anemic fifth.

When data analysis firm Navigate released its 2022 conference revenue projections in March, it had the Big 12 at $40.6 million, while the Big Ten was forecast at $57.2 million and the SEC at $54.3 million. The Pac-12 was projected at $34.4 million per school, while the ACC was at $30.9 million.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/foo ... ars-behind

B1G is likely to pad that lead now that they have the two major Los Angeles sports programs, USC and UCLA.

SEC may dominate the football championships, but it’s the B1G that dominates the four largest media markets … New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

DocBarrister
well, that projection's wrong, for one thing. they say as much in the top of the article re: the big 12.
what i recall, sec for conference money was at 54, b1g was 46-49, depending, big 12 43 and the acc 36+. pac 12 around 30.

not really a mountain of difference 1 or 2 slots apart, but the sec was the clear winner. you have an actual b1g number, not a projection?
Source for your numbers?

DocBarrister
https://www.wholehogsports.com/news/202 ... er-school/
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/D ... enues.aspx
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 855686002/
you have google, right? noteworthy i wasn't asking you for your source. you just decided to (definitively, once again) chime in.
my recall, not source, was pretty good.
You need to do a bit more homework.

Those figures are from the 2020-2021 fiscal year, which were heavily skewed by the pandemic. SEC made the most revenue that fiscal year because they played the most football games in the 2020 pandemic football season. See the article below discussing this.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-f ... -2021/amp/

The last figures from a “normal” pre-pandemic season (2019) were from the 2019-2020 fiscal year, which showed the B1G clearly ahead of the SEC.

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/.amp ... ue-indiana

The B1G also led all conferences in revenue (comfortably) during the 2018-2019 fiscal year, which included the 2018 season.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/c ... 414405002/

The 2021 season is the most recent “normal” season, but we will not see the actual figures for that season until 2023, when taxes are filed for the 2021-2022 fiscal year, hence the use of projected distributions.

The B1G is set to take a big lead anyway, since the conference is renegotiating its media contracts this year. I believe SEC contracts are up in 2024.

https://theathletic.com/3363313/2022/06 ... faq/?amp=1

The wild card may be whether the CFP expands. If the CFP expands to 12 teams, SEC revenue could get a big bump, assuming SEC teams dominate the playoff slots. Barring a development like that, B1G should continue leading in revenue because of its larger media markets.

Notre Dame going to the B1G, of course, would likely help the B1G pad their lead.

DocBarrister
You're not going to will ND to the Big Ten. It's been discussed ad nauseum that you are repeatedly jumping the gun. Nothing in any of the recent media reports lends credence that ND is going to the Big Ten anytime soon. Again, confusing what you want to happen with what is actually happening on the ground. Best served by taking those kind of posts to your twitter account. You will achieve your goal much faster on that medium...
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Re: NCAA reorg imminent

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LaxFan2000 wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:51 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:04 am
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:56 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:19 pm
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:47 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:31 pm
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:53 pm
1766 wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:19 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:19 pm Getting paid to not win. What a great scam.

American universities create incredible devotion. Not really much different than pro sports though. Take any number of teams that don't ever win championships yet still sell out stadiums and have huge revenues. There are too many to list.

At the end of the day, it's entertainment, and that entertainment, in the B1G's case, is worth more money currently that the SEC. Winning the B1G championship in football isn't the NC, but in the circles of the conference, it's a close second.
curious, how do you come to the conclusion that the b1g entertainment is worth more money currently than the sec?

source?
B1G’s revenue distribution per school is higher than that of the SEC. B1G is number one, while the ACC is an anemic fifth.

When data analysis firm Navigate released its 2022 conference revenue projections in March, it had the Big 12 at $40.6 million, while the Big Ten was forecast at $57.2 million and the SEC at $54.3 million. The Pac-12 was projected at $34.4 million per school, while the ACC was at $30.9 million.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/foo ... ars-behind

B1G is likely to pad that lead now that they have the two major Los Angeles sports programs, USC and UCLA.

SEC may dominate the football championships, but it’s the B1G that dominates the four largest media markets … New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

DocBarrister
well, that projection's wrong, for one thing. they say as much in the top of the article re: the big 12.
what i recall, sec for conference money was at 54, b1g was 46-49, depending, big 12 43 and the acc 36+. pac 12 around 30.

not really a mountain of difference 1 or 2 slots apart, but the sec was the clear winner. you have an actual b1g number, not a projection?
Source for your numbers?

DocBarrister
https://www.wholehogsports.com/news/202 ... er-school/
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/D ... enues.aspx
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 855686002/
you have google, right? noteworthy i wasn't asking you for your source. you just decided to (definitively, once again) chime in.
my recall, not source, was pretty good.
You need to do a bit more homework.

Those figures are from the 2020-2021 fiscal year, which were heavily skewed by the pandemic. SEC made the most revenue that fiscal year because they played the most football games in the 2020 pandemic football season. See the article below discussing this.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-f ... -2021/amp/

The last figures from a “normal” pre-pandemic season (2019) were from the 2019-2020 fiscal year, which showed the B1G clearly ahead of the SEC.

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/.amp ... ue-indiana

The B1G also led all conferences in revenue (comfortably) during the 2018-2019 fiscal year, which included the 2018 season.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/c ... 414405002/

The 2021 season is the most recent “normal” season, but we will not see the actual figures for that season until 2023, when taxes are filed for the 2021-2022 fiscal year, hence the use of projected distributions.

The B1G is set to take a big lead anyway, since the conference is renegotiating its media contracts this year. I believe SEC contracts are up in 2024.

https://theathletic.com/3363313/2022/06 ... faq/?amp=1

The wild card may be whether the CFP expands. If the CFP expands to 12 teams, SEC revenue could get a big bump, assuming SEC teams dominate the playoff slots. Barring a development like that, B1G should continue leading in revenue because of its larger media markets.

Notre Dame going to the B1G, of course, would likely help the B1G pad their lead.

DocBarrister
You're not going to will ND to the Big Ten. It's been discussed ad nauseum that you are repeatedly jumping the gun. Nothing in any of the recent media reports lends credence that ND is going to the Big Ten anytime soon. Again, confusing what you want to happen with what is actually happening on the ground. Best served by taking those kind of posts to your twitter account. You will achieve your goal much faster on that medium...
Not sure why you are presumptuous and arrogant enough to try and censor the posts of other forum members, especially after less than a single month on this forum.

Besides, if there is one common theme to all the recent conference realignment news, it’s that nothing is set in stone.

Notre Dame may take years (maybe a decade) to make a decision on conference membership. On the other hand, a sudden new development may force their hand to make a decision this year.

There’s no certainty at all to the process.

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ND and BYU are going to start an alignment of their own like the NWO! Pull in BC, GT, Nova etc.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:22 am ND and BYU are going to start an alignment of their own like the NWO! Pull in BC, GT, Nova etc.
That’s what I would do if I were Notre Dame.

First, get on board the more valuable brands remaining in the PAC12 (Oregon, Stanford, Washington, Cal, Arizona).

Then scavenge in the ACC (Clemson, Florida State, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Syracuse).

Then bring in a few stragglers from the Big12 and other conferences/independents (Cincinnati, Kansas, Boston College, Baylor, BYU).

Sixteen teams … easily more than enough to leverage $75 million a year for Notre Dame. That conference would have national scope with strength in football and basketball. Could add schools like Louisville and GT, too.

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DocBarrister wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:54 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:22 am ND and BYU are going to start an alignment of their own like the NWO! Pull in BC, GT, Nova etc.
That’s what I would do if I were Notre Dame.

First, get on board the more valuable brands remaining in the PAC12 (Oregon, Stanford, Washington, Cal, Arizona).

Then scavenge in the ACC (Clemson, Florida State, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Syracuse).

Then bring in a few stragglers from the Big12 and other conferences/independents (Cincinnati, Kansas, Boston College, Baylor, BYU).

Sixteen teams … easily more than enough to leverage $75 million a year for Notre Dame. That conference would have national scope with strength in football and basketball.

DocBarrister
That's even more of a nightmare logistically then USC and UCLA in the Big Ten...
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LaxFan2000 wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:56 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:54 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:22 am ND and BYU are going to start an alignment of their own like the NWO! Pull in BC, GT, Nova etc.
That’s what I would do if I were Notre Dame.

First, get on board the more valuable brands remaining in the PAC12 (Oregon, Stanford, Washington, Cal, Arizona).

Then scavenge in the ACC (Clemson, Florida State, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Syracuse).

Then bring in a few stragglers from the Big12 and other conferences/independents (Cincinnati, Kansas, Boston College, Baylor, BYU).

Sixteen teams … easily more than enough to leverage $75 million a year for Notre Dame. That conference would have national scope with strength in football and basketball.

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That's even more of a nightmare logistically then USC and UCLA in the Big Ten...
It’s never going to happen, but it’s amusing to contemplate. Notre Dame really could form their own conference if they wanted to do so. Just not a school mission.

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Re: NCAA reorg imminent

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Notre Dame may take years (maybe a decade) to make a decision on conference membership. On the other hand, a sudden new development may force their hand to make a decision this year.
ND has had the right model all along. Ever since Knute Rockne boarded a train to play SC in Los Angeles 100 years ago, they have been playing in their own coast-to-coast, football only, made for TV, super-conference. And they separately have parked their other sports in a logical, normal sports conference (BE, now ACC).

Since they already play games in the Pac-12, B10, ACC, B12 every year, they have no incentive to ever join a conference so long as they continue to have access to the CFP (extremely likely). They'll be able to renew their NBC contract for a nice number.

And everyone overlooks this. When Bama plays in the Sugar Bowl, Vanderbilt gets the same payout from that as Bama does. When ND plays in the Orange Bowl, ND gets 100% of that payout.

Plus, ND really doesn't need the money. They have the highest endowment per student of any P5 team other than Stanford. More than Rice, Vandy, Northwestern. Also more than Dartmouth, Penn, Brown, Columbia and Cornell.

So long as the ACC GOR continues to stand up (likely), ND has clear sailing as an independent for another 10-12 years.
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Re: NCAA reorg imminent

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ggait wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:46 pm
Notre Dame may take years (maybe a decade) to make a decision on conference membership. On the other hand, a sudden new development may force their hand to make a decision this year.
ND has had the right model all along. Ever since Knute Rockne boarded a train to play SC in Los Angeles 100 years ago, they have been playing in their own coast-to-coast, football only, made for TV, super-conference. And they separately have parked their other sports in a logical, normal sports conference (BE, now ACC).

Since they already play games in the Pac-12, B10, ACC, B12 every year, they have no incentive to ever join a conference so long as they continue to have access to the CFP (extremely likely). They'll be able to renew their NBC contract for a nice number.

And everyone overlooks this. When Bama plays in the Sugar Bowl, Vanderbilt gets the same payout from that as Bama does. When ND plays in the Orange Bowl, ND gets 100% of that payout.

Plus, ND really doesn't need the money. They have the highest endowment per student of any P5 team other than Stanford. More than Rice, Vandy, Northwestern. Also more than Dartmouth, Penn, Brown, Columbia and Cornell.

So long as the ACC GOR continues to stand up (likely), ND has clear sailing as an independent for another 10-12 years.
Spot on.
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Re: NCAA reorg imminent

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ggait wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:46 pm
Notre Dame may take years (maybe a decade) to make a decision on conference membership. On the other hand, a sudden new development may force their hand to make a decision this year.
ND has had the right model all along. Ever since Knute Rockne boarded a train to play SC in Los Angeles 100 years ago, they have been playing in their own coast-to-coast, football only, made for TV, super-conference. And they separately have parked their other sports in a logical, normal sports conference (BE, now ACC).

Since they already play games in the Pac-12, B10, ACC, B12 every year, they have no incentive to ever join a conference so long as they continue to have access to the CFP (extremely likely). They'll be able to renew their NBC contract for a nice number.

And everyone overlooks this. When Bama plays in the Sugar Bowl, Vanderbilt gets the same payout from that as Bama does. When ND plays in the Orange Bowl, ND gets 100% of that payout.

Plus, ND really doesn't need the money. They have the highest endowment per student of any P5 team other than Stanford. More than Rice, Vandy, Northwestern. Also more than Dartmouth, Penn, Brown, Columbia and Cornell.

So long as the ACC GOR continues to stand up (likely), ND has clear sailing as an independent for another 10-12 years.
So I was considering including Kodak credit default swaps in a bespoke synthetic HY CDO transaction 15 or so years ago. They’re traditional film business which had 30-35% margins was in trouble due to digital film which they had to restructure to buy the problem was digital was 11-13% net margins so they had to slash and burn down to a smaller, much smaller company. The play was to use the trailing off cash flows to hike a new business. They’re were never going to remain a print film business ten years later. (Ultimately in Bk and a joke of an entity waiting for an OTC pick off reverse merger someday)

My point: if an existential crisis illustrates a cliff 10-12yrs off and institution doesn’t wait 5-8yrs to do something. A professional is planning today for that. The idea they’re set for now means they can sit back would enjoy crazy. Eventually their world will change to even if it’s not forced on them today it will be eventually and any decent professional is planning to w proactive base reactive in this environment.

So to say they don’t have to do anything today is true but misleading. I’d say they don’t have to do anything today if they don’t care about control their outcome and path in the future. If they want to influence their future then they have to do something today .
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Re: NCAA reorg imminent

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ND has said they need $75MM per year to remain independent. That is highly unlikely from where their last contract sat with NBC.

Sounds like cover to be joining either the SEC or B1G. ND is not an SEC school.
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