NCAA reorg imminent

[Farfromgeneva]

Had this thought that this may allow higher ed to go to the “payment model” of pricing with everything al a Carte. Can claim they aren’t raising tuition by feeing uo extracurricular activities while still increasing cost of attendance

By "feeing up", do you mean charging massive fees to play a varsity sport?

Basically. If they pushed out ncaa min sport requirements eventually and moved more sports to elevated club model they could take a chunk out of their annual opex by having it pay for by incremental student fees rather than out of tuition revenues. It’s all fungible but student fees don’t cover athletics budgets for even a fraction. So making more extracurricular paid for by fees rather than base cost they can run endowments to the moon and tell congress it’s ok to be tax exempt because they’re not increasing tuition as fast tuition as previously. It’s a joke but could be a path for them to take. Would happen organically at first I would think with a few first movers but once there’s scale it could be the model.

[jhu06]

good article in the athletic from someone who is actually "in the room".
sorry for the paywall and i can't copy and paste.
https://theathletic.com/news/iowa-big-t ... 5OSWdC66R/

essentially, saying the b1g is not seeking members, although they're fielding calls and updating ad's when that happens. he semi-contradicts that later by saying notre dame has been on the hit list for a year since texas/oklahoma.

some spice quotes:
"i don't envision (expansion).
if i were predicting, i'm not predicting that we would be adding any more in the near future. we'll see."

also was paraphrased that he and the iowa prez will not be forced to make a decision on further expansion this summer. but reiterated he doesn't have a crystal ball.

for b1g fans, says he expects no more divisions after 2023-24 and plane travel many sports will be charter.

so as it turns out, there may be more than one possible outcome. at least according to an ad in the b1g.

Quint spent an entire Hopkins broadcast last year plus a pod and a column complaining that they weren't flying private. We're going to now be subjected to the "poor travel arrangements" narrative forever anytime he hears about a team not flying lax force one to get to a game.

[OCanada]

https://thespun.com/college-football/pa ... -in-danger

[44WeWantMore]

https://stratechery.com/2022/big-ten-blame/

[wgdsr]

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-f ... -16-teams/

having heard from a b1g ad and now multiple anonymous sources in the sec, this several week pause may go on for awhile. backed up by cbs sports.

we're somewhere between a game of chicken between b1g, sec and notre dame and a surgical move for each conference matched for coming tv contracts.



a rehash for the front half of video, but the back 1/3 or so speaking to movement or not comings and goings between the pac10 and big12. the next 30 days is tv rights for what's left of the pac10. may start dominos or keep them upright for a bit, depending.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.10tv.com/mobile/article/spo ... 47c7feda70

Just asinine.

[masondixonlax]

https://www.10tv.com/mobile/article/spo ... 47c7feda70

Just asinine.

Why is that asinine?

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.10tv.com/mobile/article/spo ... 47c7feda70

Just asinine.

Why is that asinine?

It just is. I would just de-link college football from schools. Make the NFL pay for their own farm league. Players wouldn’t have to go to college to pursue a pro football career…..BTW, going to the Notre Dame game with friends of the Shottensteins. Was at the Penn State game last year when they handed over a big check to the school.

[DocBarrister]

Notre Dame basically named its price to remain with NBC: $75 million a year. That’s five times the current $15 million (technically, it’s currently $22 million because the existing deal backloaded payments, but what’s a few million?).

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ndent/amp/

Reportedly, the deal will depend on whether NBC can negotiate a cut of the action in the Big12 (which is primarily associated with Fox Sports).

The number is also the de facto absolute minimum for the B1G or SEC if they want Notre Dame to come on board.

Notre Dame is essentially telling NBC to pay up or go home. The Fighting Irish are also coercing the Big12 to chip in or else see Notre Dame join one of the two superconferences.

Now, that is some serious extortion right there. Impressive ….

DocBarrister

[masondixonlax]

Notre Dame basically named its price to remain with NBC: $75 million a year. That’s five times the current $15 million (technically, it’s currently $22 million because the existing deal backloaded payments, but what’s a few million?).

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ndent/amp/

Reportedly, the deal will depend on whether NBC can negotiate a cut of the action in the Big12 (which is primarily associated with Fox Sports).

The number is also the de facto absolute minimum for the B1G or SEC if they want Notre Dame to come on board.

Notre Dame is essentially telling NBC to pay up or go home. The Fighting Irish are also coercing the Big12 to chip in or else see Notre Dame join one of the two superconferences.

Now, that is some serious extortion right there. Impressive ….

DocBarrister

This is y no one was sad/ cared (outside of notre dame fans) that they didn't make tourny this year

[Farfromgeneva]

Looking in other peoples pockets is petty.

[wgdsr]

Notre Dame basically named its price to remain with NBC: $75 million a year. That’s five times the current $15 million (technically, it’s currently $22 million because the existing deal backloaded payments, but what’s a few million?).

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ndent/amp/

Reportedly, the deal will depend on whether NBC can negotiate a cut of the action in the Big12 (which is primarily associated with Fox Sports).

The number is also the de facto absolute minimum for the B1G or SEC if they want Notre Dame to come on board.

Notre Dame is essentially telling NBC to pay up or go home. The Fighting Irish are also coercing the Big12 to chip in or else see Notre Dame join one of the two superconferences.

Now, that is some serious extortion right there. Impressive ….

DocBarrister

maybe the least surprising and most predictable development in all of this to date. there are a bunch of other networks and options notre dame can step to next. sounds like they're giving them right of first refusal, nothing more.

nbc was already in the bid for 2nd and 3rd tier rights with the b1g, and now they're exploring options on their end.

this is step one if nbc doesn't step. the next isn't joining the b1g or sec. it's checking out other media suitors. pretty vanilla, actually.

[LongIslandLacks]

https://www.10tv.com/mobile/article/spo ... 47c7feda70

Just asinine.

Why is that asinine?

It just is. I would just de-link college football from schools. Make the NFL pay for their own farm league. Players wouldn’t have to go to college to pursue a pro football career…..BTW, going to the Notre Dame game with friends of the Shottensteins. Was at the Penn State game last year when they handed over a big check to the school.

This stuff is certainly going to make it much more difficult for coaches to control their players.

[44WeWantMore]

Notre Dame basically named its price to remain with NBC: $75 million a year. That’s five times the current $15 million (technically, it’s currently $22 million because the existing deal backloaded payments, but what’s a few million?).

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ndent/amp/

Reportedly, the deal will depend on whether NBC can negotiate a cut of the action in the Big12 (which is primarily associated with Fox Sports).

The number is also the de facto absolute minimum for the B1G or SEC if they want Notre Dame to come on board.

Notre Dame is essentially telling NBC to pay up or go home. The Fighting Irish are also coercing the Big12 to chip in or else see Notre Dame join one of the two superconferences.

Now, that is some serious extortion right there. Impressive ….

DocBarrister

Unless somehow the B1G / SEC withdraw from the current College Football Playoff system and enter into a format similar to the old AFL/NFL Super Bowl, excluding everybody else. If their "College Football Super Bowl" becomes the de facto mythical national championship, then ND may feel compelled to be eligible.

[Farfromgeneva]

They’re going to need closer to 65-80 programs not 40-50 to maintain value. Half the value is the once a year element. If the teams have to play each other multiple times in a year to fill out a 13-14 game reg season schedule those rivalry games with get diluted real quick and the contract after this pending one will not see the linear growth that folks here seem to think happens with these things over long periods of time.

[LongIslandLacks]

Notre Dame basically named its price to remain with NBC: $75 million a year. That’s five times the current $15 million (technically, it’s currently $22 million because the existing deal backloaded payments, but what’s a few million?).

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ndent/amp/

Reportedly, the deal will depend on whether NBC can negotiate a cut of the action in the Big12 (which is primarily associated with Fox Sports).

The number is also the de facto absolute minimum for the B1G or SEC if they want Notre Dame to come on board.

Notre Dame is essentially telling NBC to pay up or go home. The Fighting Irish are also coercing the Big12 to chip in or else see Notre Dame join one of the two superconferences.

Now, that is some serious extortion right there. Impressive ….

DocBarrister

Unless somehow the B1G / SEC withdraw from the current College Football Playoff system and enter into a format similar to the old AFL/NFL Super Bowl, excluding everybody else. If their "College Football Super Bowl" becomes the de facto mythical national championship, then ND may feel compelled to be eligible.

The breaking point occurs if/when ND starts to conclude they are boxed out of the football playoffs. Then, they knock on the Big 10’s door. I don’t think that necessarily will take the BIg 10 and SEC breaking off.

If/when ND joins the Big 10, it seems southern ACC schools will be pushing to get into the SEC. Downhill from there for those left out. Virginia, for instance, seems to fit better in the Big 10 but their AD is from the SEC and seems to like the SEC from what I have been told by folks who talk with her. FSU, on the other hand, is SEC—just a matter of time.

[Farfromgeneva]

Everyone realizes, OSU notwithstanding, that the colleges from TX-FL-SC could peel off and that would be the best “college” football right?

You’ve got OSU winning once, in 2014 so that’s even 9yrs old now, and every other winner has been from the states I mentioned going back to when you ask?

2004 USC

GA, AL, LA, SC, FL and TX represent 18/20 championships.

CFP champions for last 20yrs:

YEAR CHAMPION SELECTING ORGANIZATION
2021 Georgia CFP
2020 Alabama CFP
2019 LSU CFP
2018 Clemson CFP
2017 Alabama CFP
2016 Clemson CFP
2015 Alabama CFP
2014 Ohio State CFP
2013 Florida State BCS
2012 Alabama BCS
2011 Alabama BCS
2010 Auburn BCS
2009 Alabama BCS
2008 Florida BCS
2007 LSU BCS
2006 Florida BCS
2005 Texas BCS
2004 Southern California BCS
2003 LSU, Southern California BCS, AP, FWAA

[Farfromgeneva]

OSU in 02 squeaking by Miami. Next Midwest champ? 1997 tied between Mich and Nebraska.

Basically this is a southern sport masquerading as a National one.

[1766]

Yet the B1G still wins the money game, which is really what is most important now.

[Farfromgeneva]

Getting paid to not win. What a great scam.