I don’t think that requiring a certain degree of fundraising is unusual, although Herm Edwards likely doesn’t have to work very hard at it. As for other sports regardless of the conference, there is probably some required. The whole Aunt Becky scholarship scandal is a result of that pressure to deliver.LarryGamLax wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:23 pmEveryonesgotone wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:25 amI am wondering what you mean by ASU did not get proper support for their program. From my view, the program got as much of not more support as most top tier programs in D1. Tim did an incredible job at ASU and I believe left for reasons that had nothing to do with the lack of support. The biggest challenge in recruiting for ASU is getting the player to travel out there for the first time. Once they are there, it is hard to scratch it off their short list, especially in February.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:24 pm Interesting move for TM. I know that ASU did not properly support their program; or at least not to the level a BCS school should. Which makes his run there even more impressive. IMO he will find convincing kids to come to Hop easier than bringing them out to ASU.
I concur with most of what Everyonesgotone said, although I no personal knowledge of Arizona, having never been there.
LaxPundit07, I know that what you said about the ASU program might have been true at one time, but I never heard TM say that in print or otherwise.
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This was beyond a “certain degree of fundraising”. These were basic line items in a budget for a BCS school that a coach should NEVER have to fundraise for.Everyonesgotone wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:02 pmI don’t think that requiring a certain degree of fundraising is unusual, although Herm Edwards likely doesn’t have to work very hard at it. As for other sports regardless of the conference, there is probably some required. The whole Aunt Becky scholarship scandal is a result of that pressure to deliver.LarryGamLax wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:23 pmEveryonesgotone wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:25 amI am wondering what you mean by ASU did not get proper support for their program. From my view, the program got as much of not more support as most top tier programs in D1. Tim did an incredible job at ASU and I believe left for reasons that had nothing to do with the lack of support. The biggest challenge in recruiting for ASU is getting the player to travel out there for the first time. Once they are there, it is hard to scratch it off their short list, especially in February.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:24 pm Interesting move for TM. I know that ASU did not properly support their program; or at least not to the level a BCS school should. Which makes his run there even more impressive. IMO he will find convincing kids to come to Hop easier than bringing them out to ASU.
I concur with most of what Everyonesgotone said, although I no personal knowledge of Arizona, having never been there.
LaxPundit07, I know that what you said about the ASU program might have been true at one time, but I never heard TM say that in print or otherwise.
Remember, ASU originally hired a fired American East coach that had been out of the game for a number of years. Compare that hire to other BCS start ups and it will make more sense. Accomplished coaches weren’t clamoring for the ASU job for a reason.
And Larry, “in print”, of course not! Airing out to the world that your school doesn’t properly support your program isn’t exactly a smart recruiting/PR move. TM was freakin fantastic at ASU. He was a pro there and they were lucky to have him.
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I guess you were on both the Finance and Hiring committee at ASU. I hope you don’t talk all the recruits out of going there with all your positivity.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:27 amThis was beyond a “certain degree of fundraising”. These were basic line items in a budget for a BCS school that a coach should NEVER have to fundraise for.Everyonesgotone wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:02 pmI don’t think that requiring a certain degree of fundraising is unusual, although Herm Edwards likely doesn’t have to work very hard at it. As for other sports regardless of the conference, there is probably some required. The whole Aunt Becky scholarship scandal is a result of that pressure to deliver.LarryGamLax wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:23 pmEveryonesgotone wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:25 amI am wondering what you mean by ASU did not get proper support for their program. From my view, the program got as much of not more support as most top tier programs in D1. Tim did an incredible job at ASU and I believe left for reasons that had nothing to do with the lack of support. The biggest challenge in recruiting for ASU is getting the player to travel out there for the first time. Once they are there, it is hard to scratch it off their short list, especially in February.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:24 pm Interesting move for TM. I know that ASU did not properly support their program; or at least not to the level a BCS school should. Which makes his run there even more impressive. IMO he will find convincing kids to come to Hop easier than bringing them out to ASU.
I concur with most of what Everyonesgotone said, although I no personal knowledge of Arizona, having never been there.
LaxPundit07, I know that what you said about the ASU program might have been true at one time, but I never heard TM say that in print or otherwise.
Remember, ASU originally hired a fired American East coach that had been out of the game for a number of years. Compare that hire to other BCS start ups and it will make more sense. Accomplished coaches weren’t clamoring for the ASU job for a reason.
And Larry, “in print”, of course not! Airing out to the world that your school doesn’t properly support your program isn’t exactly a smart recruiting/PR move. TM was freakin fantastic at ASU. He was a pro there and they were lucky to have him.
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Wasn’t on those committees. Have a friend that was in athletic administration there. They were frustrated with lack of commitment from the school for this new program. You can call me negative all you want; but it was/is the truth. I haven’t talked to this admin since TM left, so I can not speak about support as of this minute. But I know it to be fact that their original hire was a product of the lack of support for the program. The pool of candidates was turned off by what school was asking of coaches to do to keep the program running.Everyonesgotone wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:51 pmI guess you were on both the Finance and Hiring committee at ASU. I hope you don’t talk all the recruits out of going there with all your positivity.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:27 amThis was beyond a “certain degree of fundraising”. These were basic line items in a budget for a BCS school that a coach should NEVER have to fundraise for.Everyonesgotone wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:02 pmI don’t think that requiring a certain degree of fundraising is unusual, although Herm Edwards likely doesn’t have to work very hard at it. As for other sports regardless of the conference, there is probably some required. The whole Aunt Becky scholarship scandal is a result of that pressure to deliver.LarryGamLax wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:23 pmEveryonesgotone wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:25 amI am wondering what you mean by ASU did not get proper support for their program. From my view, the program got as much of not more support as most top tier programs in D1. Tim did an incredible job at ASU and I believe left for reasons that had nothing to do with the lack of support. The biggest challenge in recruiting for ASU is getting the player to travel out there for the first time. Once they are there, it is hard to scratch it off their short list, especially in February.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:24 pm Interesting move for TM. I know that ASU did not properly support their program; or at least not to the level a BCS school should. Which makes his run there even more impressive. IMO he will find convincing kids to come to Hop easier than bringing them out to ASU.
I concur with most of what Everyonesgotone said, although I no personal knowledge of Arizona, having never been there.
LaxPundit07, I know that what you said about the ASU program might have been true at one time, but I never heard TM say that in print or otherwise.
Remember, ASU originally hired a fired American East coach that had been out of the game for a number of years. Compare that hire to other BCS start ups and it will make more sense. Accomplished coaches weren’t clamoring for the ASU job for a reason.
And Larry, “in print”, of course not! Airing out to the world that your school doesn’t properly support your program isn’t exactly a smart recruiting/PR move. TM was freakin fantastic at ASU. He was a pro there and they were lucky to have him.
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Are we done here? No more big moves? Is the timeframe now over? There are A few HC openings. ASU, Jacksonville, GW, and possibly Drexel (if they don't give it to the interim). But on the hole, without the openings caused by retirement and new program hires this carousel didn't spin very much.
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Does anybody really know what happen with the Drexel situation? It was also very odd
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Yes. Based on what happened, and if it was an isolated incident, it is really unfortunate that Drexel moved on. If not isolated, then it was appropriate for them to make a changeCagekeeper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:29 pm Does anybody really know what happen with the Drexel situation? It was also very odd
I am aware of the incident, but cannot speak to whether it was a one time issue or not.
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I'm guessing you don't know the full story if you feel that this incident didn't warrant moving on.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:47 pmYes. Based on what happened, and if it was an isolated incident, it is really unfortunate that Drexel moved on. If not isolated, then it was appropriate for them to make a changeCagekeeper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:29 pm Does anybody really know what happen with the Drexel situation? It was also very odd
I am aware of the incident, but cannot speak to whether it was a one time issue or not.
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It will be interesting to see who JU and ASU hire. Existing head coach? Assistant coach from a top school?Dasher wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:18 pm Are we done here? No more big moves? Is the timeframe now over? There are A few HC openings. ASU, Jacksonville, GW, and possibly Drexel (if they don't give it to the interim). But on the hole, without the openings caused by retirement and new program hires this carousel didn't spin very much.
Any word on assistant coaches making moves?
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Or perhaps we heard different versions? If my version was true, the administrative leave was a proportional response, the firing was not.hmmm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:49 pmI'm guessing you don't know the full story if you feel that this incident didn't warrant moving on.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:47 pmYes. Based on what happened, and if it was an isolated incident, it is really unfortunate that Drexel moved on. If not isolated, then it was appropriate for them to make a changeCagekeeper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:29 pm Does anybody really know what happen with the Drexel situation? It was also very odd
I am aware of the incident, but cannot speak to whether it was a one time issue or not.
If your version is true, then I guess her dismissal was warranted.
I definitely do not claim to have been there or deeply involved. So if you are, I will respect your take on it!
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Definitely didn’t see this coming but based on what I’ve heard, I think it was time.lax1823 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:36 pm Add Butler to the list.
https://butlersports.com/news/2022/6/2 ... gram.aspx
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What have you heard? Why is everyone always so cryptic about these things.
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https://hopkinssports.com/news/2022/6/2 ... staff.aspx
TM bringing Nicole Graziano and Dorrien Van Dyke to Hopkins as assistants
TM bringing Nicole Graziano and Dorrien Van Dyke to Hopkins as assistants
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Also interesting posting for Assistant Coach at Drexel:
https://www.iwlca.org/news_article/show/1229458
"To Apply: Please send resumes to Katie O’Donnell, Interim Head Coach, via email: xxx"
https://www.iwlca.org/news_article/show/1229458
"To Apply: Please send resumes to Katie O’Donnell, Interim Head Coach, via email: xxx"
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washedup wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:47 pm Also interesting posting for Assistant Coach at Drexel:
https://www.iwlca.org/news_article/show/1229458
"To Apply: Please send resumes to Katie O’Donnell, Interim Head Coach, via email: xxx"
They only have one assistant. They should have(and need) two.
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Right, but doesn't this imply that O'Donnell will be made permanent? Otherwise odd to have interim HC hire another assistant while admin is hiring new head coachLarryGamLax wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:17 pmwashedup wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:47 pm Also interesting posting for Assistant Coach at Drexel:
https://www.iwlca.org/news_article/show/1229458
"To Apply: Please send resumes to Katie O’Donnell, Interim Head Coach, via email: xxx"
They only have one assistant. They should have(and need) two.
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Curious as to why no program has poached UNC assistant coach Phil Barnes yet. Probably the best in the game IMO, and an ace recruiter, well respected in the lax community, a player's coach through and through, and he's helped Levy build that program. He's also been a headcoach before. He has all the tools to turn a midling program around.
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You could ask the same question about Lauri Kenis at Maryland. Maybe schools have tried but they just like where they're at? That would be my guessKleizaster wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:28 pm Curious as to why no program has poached UNC assistant coach Phil Barnes yet. Probably the best in the game IMO, and an ace recruiter, well respected in the lax community, a player's coach through and through, and he's helped Levy build that program. He's also been a headcoach before. He has all the tools to turn a midling program around.
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They are probably the most well paid assistant coaches when you count camps and state pension/health care, are very good at their jobs and have a positive work environment. Not everyone wants the head coach glory/headache.wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:25 pmYou could ask the same question about Lauri Kenis at Maryland. Maybe schools have tried but they just like where they're at? That would be my guessKleizaster wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:28 pm Curious as to why no program has poached UNC assistant coach Phil Barnes yet. Probably the best in the game IMO, and an ace recruiter, well respected in the lax community, a player's coach through and through, and he's helped Levy build that program. He's also been a headcoach before. He has all the tools to turn a midling program around.