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[NattyBohChamps04]

Good lord, you, you guys should indeed "reap the whirlwind" of what's going to come in action to this ridiculous BS.

Psychosis.

Literal psychosis.

Brainwashed by grifters. Unsurprising.

The country has moved constantly to the right the past couple of decades and the radical right still thinks they're under attack by moderates trying to brake check. A few months ago it was "no one is coming for Roe v Wade". Now it's "No one is coming for gay marriage or interracial marriage".

Abortion rates had been dropping the past few decades under better health care access. The "Reaping the whirlwind" people are throwing gasoline on a smoldering fire while at the same time trying to overthrow the government. Gonna be a rough couple of decades unfortunately.

[old salt]

From my evangelical female friend in WVa:

What the hell is wrong with this country. If women don’t have control of the reproductive systems in their own body, then every man convicted of rape should have his penis cut off. I’m just saying.  Now they are going after same sex and interracial marriages. What the heck!!!!!

What’s not might be a shorter list. Thinking of removing my teen daughters from this horror-show. Canada seems nice: rational, cooler, and plenty of water.

Might not be necessary. See what your state does.
You may just need to send them to a neighboring state for their abortions, if they wait too long,
or maybe Planned Parenthood can mail them abortion pills.
https://info.carafem.org/video-visits-m ... tUQAvD_BwE

[old salt]

I don’t know if I should be doing the work for you Democrats but seeing how you’re in distress, here’s an idea which seems easy to implement and more importantly serves to prevent you from wrecking America.

Set up your beloved abortion clinics on federal lands of the Indians. In most of the states seeking to fully restrict abortion (something I disagree with), there are many Indian tribe lands which are not required to abide by state laws. M
Good? Good. Get to it.

Great idea. Co-locate with casinos.

[old salt]

From my evangelical female friend in WVa:

What the hell is wrong with this country. If women don’t have control of the reproductive systems in their own body, then every man convicted of rape should have his penis cut off. I’m just saying.  Now they are going after same sex and interracial marriages. What the heck!!!!!

Actually no one is going after same-sex nor interracial marriages.

Right. No one "except" a sitting Supreme Court Justice, Pete.

Thomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”

Are you familiar with these cases, Pete? Because the nujobs you unleashed are coming after more rights.

So much for the Constitution you claim that your side is protecting. Can't wait to see what the illiterate religious nutjobs are going to come after next, Pete!

Prohibition's next. Start looking for fragrances for hand sanitizers.
Look on the bright side -- no need for migrant ag workers.

[CU88]

I don’t know if I should be doing the work for you Democrats but seeing how you’re in distress, here’s an idea which seems easy to implement and more importantly serves to prevent you from wrecking America.

Set up your beloved abortion clinics on federal lands of the Indians. In most of the states seeking to fully restrict abortion (something I disagree with), there are many Indian tribe lands which are not required to abide by state laws. M
Good? Good. Get to it.

Great idea. Co-locate with casinos.

This is too funny!

[DMac]

Rs to the Ds, this aint about a woman's right to make her own decision (and she should be the only one involved in that decision....maybe the boyfriend, not the rapist though) this is about us being piszed off and we're gonna show you, damn it!
The women? Meh, we don't care about no stinkin' women.

We’re going to push abortion back to the “rare” side in many states. We may give you a timeframe like 12 to 15 weeks, about what your beloved “other industrialized nations” give. We may not.

[PizzaSnake]

“A house divided shall not stand.”

[Peter Brown]

Rs to the Ds, this aint about a woman's right to make her own decision (and she should be the only one involved in that decision....maybe the boyfriend, not the rapist though) this is about us being piszed off and we're gonna show you, damn it!
The women? Meh, we don't care about no stinkin' women.

We’re going to push abortion back to the “rare” side in many states. We may give you a timeframe like 12 to 15 weeks, about what your beloved “other industrialized nations” give. We may not.

What I never understand about posts like DMac’s (and bear in mind I happen to be reluctantly pro-choice to 12 weeks) is this bizarre persistent refusal to consider the morality of the topic. It’s not so simple as saying ‘it’s the woman’s choice’. This is a complicated, challenging topic, putting it mildly.

I mean, I’m queasy at 12 weeks and if you forced me to defend my position, I probably couldn’t; abortion ultimately isn’t a defensible ethical hill. It’s a messy ethical debate not easily reduced to pro-choice or pro-life.

The ‘middle ground’ is 12 weeks, the mothers health, rape and incest outs. But, if anyone thinks their middle ground is simply ‘I’m pro-choice’, and you wont entertain restrictions or debate, its you who are missing the plot.

It also partially explains that thread that I clipped and posted. If you poke, prod, and push people too far, as the left has done almost incessantly for the last 50 years, don’t blame that part of the country that attends church, goes to work, pays taxes, donates to charity, and truly loves this country for finally pushing back. They aren’t inclined anymore to simply go along to get along.

[DMac]

What I never understand about posts like DMac’s (and bear in mind I happen to be reluctantly pro-choice to 12 weeks) is this bizarre persistent refusal to consider the morality of the topic. It’s not so simple as saying ‘it’s the woman’s choice’. This is a complicated, challenging topic, putting it mildly.

What on Earth would make you think there's any refusal to consider the morality of the issue? Whose morality? Yours? Mine? God's? The pregnant gal's? The father to be?
JFTR, I've been in this spot. As the father of three, a 17 year old, a 7 year old, and 5 year old "we" were pregnant again and neither of us wanted a fourth child. You say it's a difficult decision and often/most times it is but certainly not always. We made the decision pretty quickly and we didn't need anybody not in our position to tell us what we should or shouldn't do, and we couldn't have cared less what anyone's judgement was. There were no regrets by either one of us. This is a personal decision (doesn't get much more personal than this) and no one has any business sticking their nose in it and pushing their morality upon the person making that decision. JMHO.

[Peter Brown]

What I never understand about posts like DMac’s (and bear in mind I happen to be reluctantly pro-choice to 12 weeks) is this bizarre persistent refusal to consider the morality of the topic. It’s not so simple as saying ‘it’s the woman’s choice’. This is a complicated, challenging topic, putting it mildly.

What on Earth would make you think there's any refusal to consider the morality of the issue? Whose morality? Yours? Mine? God's? The pregnant gal's? The father to be?

JFTR, I've been in this spot. As the father of three, a 17 year old, a 7 year old, and 5 year old "we" were pregnant again and neither of us wanted a fourth child. You say it's a difficult decision and often/most times it is but certainly not always. We made the decision pretty quickly and we didn't need anybody not in our position to tell us what we should or shouldn't do, and we couldn't have cared less what anyone's judgement was. There were no regrets by either one of us. This is a personal decision (doesn't get much more personal than this) and no one has any business sticking their nose in it and pushing their morality upon the person making that decision. JMHO.

Ultimately I side with the pro-choice camp, though certainly not ‘without restrictions’ as they wish, but in the bolded part above in your post, the one person you don’t recognize is the baby itself. I think that oversight is concerning.

[ardilla secreta]

From my evangelical female friend in WVa:

What the hell is wrong with this country. If women don’t have control of the reproductive systems in their own body, then every man convicted of rape should have his penis cut off. I’m just saying.  Now they are going after same sex and interracial marriages. What the heck!!!!!

Actually no one is going after same-sex nor interracial marriages.

Also, you should inform your friend that abortion is still legal in the United States just not in every state. I’d think that many states will arrive at a sensible common ground like ‘up to 15 weeks’ and ‘in cases of rape or incest’.

Thanks for being a clueless troll

[ardilla secreta]

From my evangelical female friend in WVa:

What the hell is wrong with this country. If women don’t have control of the reproductive systems in their own body, then every man convicted of rape should have his penis cut off. I’m just saying.  Now they are going after same sex and interracial marriages. What the heck!!!!!

Actually no one is going after same-sex nor interracial marriages.

Right. No one "except" a sitting Supreme Court Justice, Pete.

Thomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”

Are you familiar with these cases, Pete? Because the nujobs you unleashed are coming after more rights.

So much for the Constitution you claim that your side is protecting. Can't wait to see what the illiterate religious nutjobs are going to come after next, Pete!

70% of Republicans are for limited Abortions, Pete. Now for every single election, men and women will know that if they vote Republican, they can lose more of their rights. Now think about how generally uninformed these voters are, Pete. But from this day forward undecided voters will think "loss of my rights' when they hear the word "Republican".

Way to go, Pete! That's some sweet long term thinking you've been doing.

Thomas will want to outlaw interracial marriage except his.

[Peter Brown]

From my evangelical female friend in WVa:

What the hell is wrong with this country. If women don’t have control of the reproductive systems in their own body, then every man convicted of rape should have his penis cut off. I’m just saying.  Now they are going after same sex and interracial marriages. What the heck!!!!!

Actually no one is going after same-sex nor interracial marriages.

Also, you should inform your friend that abortion is still legal in the United States just not in every state. I’d think that many states will arrive at a sensible common ground like ‘up to 15 weeks’ and ‘in cases of rape or incest’.

Thanks for being a clueless troll

Govs. DeSantis and Youngkin are both enacting abortion bans that start at 15 weeks, which means that Florida and Virginia will still have more liberal abortion laws than virtually all of Western Europe.

About 95% of abortions take place before 15 weeks, so even with the demise of Roe vs. Wade, around 95% of abortions in Florida will be unaffected.

But I’m the ‘clueless troll’. Gotcha.

[ardilla secreta]

From my evangelical female friend in WVa:

What the hell is wrong with this country. If women don’t have control of the reproductive systems in their own body, then every man convicted of rape should have his penis cut off. I’m just saying.  Now they are going after same sex and interracial marriages. What the heck!!!!!

I should add that this conservative Christian Appalachian woman comes from a long line of women, including my lifelong Republican mom, who would gladly tell anyone to Fluck Off! when comes to being told what to do with their bodies.

What’s infuriating about the conservative evangelicals is that it’s not good enough to live by their own ideology, but everyone else must do so too.

[DMac]

What I never understand about posts like DMac’s (and bear in mind I happen to be reluctantly pro-choice to 12 weeks) is this bizarre persistent refusal to consider the morality of the topic. It’s not so simple as saying ‘it’s the woman’s choice’. This is a complicated, challenging topic, putting it mildly.

What on Earth would make you think there's any refusal to consider the morality of the issue? Whose morality? Yours? Mine? God's? The pregnant gal's? The father to be?

JFTR, I've been in this spot. As the father of three, a 17 year old, a 7 year old, and 5 year old "we" were pregnant again and neither of us wanted a fourth child. You say it's a difficult decision and often/most times it is but certainly not always. We made the decision pretty quickly and we didn't need anybody not in our position to tell us what we should or shouldn't do, and we couldn't have cared less what anyone's judgement was. There were no regrets by either one of us. This is a personal decision (doesn't get much more personal than this) and no one has any business sticking their nose in it and pushing their morality upon the person making that decision. JMHO.

Ultimately I side with the pro-choice camp, though certainly not ‘without restrictions’ as they wish, but in the bolded part above in your post, the one person you don’t recognize is the baby itself. I think that oversight is concerning.

You meant zygote, a diploid cell resulting from the fusion of two haploid gametes; a fertilized ovum, with no emotions, or ability to think or feel, right?

[Peter Brown]

What I never understand about posts like DMac’s (and bear in mind I happen to be reluctantly pro-choice to 12 weeks) is this bizarre persistent refusal to consider the morality of the topic. It’s not so simple as saying ‘it’s the woman’s choice’. This is a complicated, challenging topic, putting it mildly.

What on Earth would make you think there's any refusal to consider the morality of the issue? Whose morality? Yours? Mine? God's? The pregnant gal's? The father to be?

JFTR, I've been in this spot. As the father of three, a 17 year old, a 7 year old, and 5 year old "we" were pregnant again and neither of us wanted a fourth child. You say it's a difficult decision and often/most times it is but certainly not always. We made the decision pretty quickly and we didn't need anybody not in our position to tell us what we should or shouldn't do, and we couldn't have cared less what anyone's judgement was. There were no regrets by either one of us. This is a personal decision (doesn't get much more personal than this) and no one has any business sticking their nose in it and pushing their morality upon the person making that decision. JMHO.

Ultimately I side with the pro-choice camp, though certainly not ‘without restrictions’ as they wish, but in the bolded part above in your post, the one person you don’t recognize is the baby itself. I think that oversight is concerning.

You meant zygote, a diploid cell resulting from the fusion of two haploid gametes; a fertilized ovum, with no emotions, or ability to think or feel, right?

No, not right. This is where you and I disagree. In fact, millions of people would disagree.

Every ‘zygote’ turns into a fully functioning human, or perhaps is one at fertilization. We who post at Fanlax were at one point a ‘zygote’…yet you wouldn’t claim you’re not a human today. What precise date did you make the switch from zygote to human? Maybe that should be the date where abortion is made illegal.

[DMac]

We should eliminate the word zygote from our vocabulary then in your opinion, eh?
You found my not recognizing the zygote's morality in the decision making to be
concerning. A zygote (it is a word) has no morality, hence, no consideration.
Oh, and JFTR, no, not every zygote turns into a fully functioning human.

[Peter Brown]

We should eliminate the word zygote from our vocabulary then in your opinion, eh?
You found my not recognizing the zygote's morality in the decision making to be
concerning. A zygote (it is a word) has no morality, hence, no consideration.
Oh, and JFTR, no, not every zygote turns into a fully functioning human.

I’m saying the issue is more complicated than any of us want it to be. Both sides btw.

I can sympathize with either side but not the extremes. I’m not okay with disallowing abortion for rape and incest and obviously health of the mother. I’m also not okay with abortions without restriction til the day of birth.

I don’t have a neat answer. Maybe the preliminary rules set out by Youngkin and Desantis are the correct ones.

[a fan]

From my evangelical female friend in WVa:

What the hell is wrong with this country. If women don’t have control of the reproductive systems in their own body, then every man convicted of rape should have his penis cut off. I’m just saying.  Now they are going after same sex and interracial marriages. What the heck!!!!!

Actually no one is going after same-sex nor interracial marriages.

Right. No one "except" a sitting Supreme Court Justice, Pete.

Thomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”

Are you familiar with these cases, Pete? Because the nujobs you unleashed are coming after more rights.

So much for the Constitution you claim that your side is protecting. Can't wait to see what the illiterate religious nutjobs are going to come after next, Pete!

Prohibition's next. Start looking for fragrances for hand sanitizers.
Look on the bright side -- no need for migrant ag workers.

You need our money for your pension, my man. And Pete's government education. And where do you think the money for the Academies, the shiny helmets and bombs comes from?

We're good, and then some. You need us more than we need you. Well...unless Canada invades.

[MDlaxfan76]

I find it interesting that the troll is trying to pretend that he's willing to compromise, (see, my state is not YET banning all abortions), while claiming that a "zygote" has morality, a fertilized egg is a human, and is perfectly fine with GOVERNMENT deciding these issues...(see, I'm willing to compromise)...as if Roe wasn't already a compromise, simply the protection of the right to choice up until viability. Not viable, woman has a choice...viable, states can restrict, should they so choose. Nope, gotta cut that time in half...viability doesn't matter.

But now, states are free to not only criminalize abortions, ANY abortions at any point, and some are doing so, but also to empower vigilantes to demand private information, to enable state surveillance...It's ALL up to each state legislature and Gov to decide...'trust us, we're willing to compromise..."

"I'm willing to compromise"...even though ANY abortion is unethical and immoral...according to me...trust me to be 'reasonable'...

But don't worry, no matter how strongly some oppose gay marriage, don't worry about that right...no matter how much some are disgusted by sodomy, or believe the Bible bans it, don't worry, I won't invade your bedroom, not matter how much I think "birds of a feather should flock together, I won't restrict interracial marriage...EVEN though I support the rationale used by this SCOTUS to overthrow Roe, the same underpinning of the laws in place protecting individual's rights...