"The Deep State" aka the American Intelligence Community

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You are choosing to ignore these parts in the WP. They couldn't verify Hunter's every weiner selfie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... -examined/

Two experts confirm the veracity of thousands of emails...
Thousands of emails purportedly from the laptop computer of Hunter Biden, President Biden’s son, are authentic communications that can be verified through cryptographic signatures from Google and other technology companies, say two security experts who examined the data at the request of The Washington Post.

The Post was able in some instances to find documents from other sources that matched content on the laptop that the experts were not able to assess.

The MacBook itself is now in the hands of the FBI, which is investigating whether Hunter Biden properly reported income from business dealings.

Inside Hunter Biden’s multimillion-dollar deals with a Chinese energy company


The Washington Post’s forensic findings are unlikely to resolve that debate, offering instead only the limited revelation that some of the data on the portable drive appears to be authentic.


Green and Williams concluded that nearly 22,000 emails among those files carried cryptographic signatures that could be verified using technology that would be difficult for even the most sophisticated hackers to fake.

2 experts used email headers to determine veracity

Such signatures are a way for the company that handles the email — in the case of most of these, Google — to provide proof that the message came from a verified account and has not been altered in some way. Alterations made to an email after it has been sent cause the cryptographic signatures to become unverifiable.

The verified emails cover a time period from 2009 to 2019, when Hunter Biden was acting as a consultant to companies from China and Ukraine, and exploring opportunities in several other countries. His father was vice president from 2009 to 2017.

Many of the nearly 22,000 verified emails were routine messages, such as political newsletters, fundraising appeals, hotel receipts, news alerts, product ads, real estate listings and notifications related to his daughters’ schools or sports teams. There was also a large number of bank notifications, with about 1,200 emails from Wells Fargo alone.

Other emails contained exchanges with Hunter Biden’s business partners, personal assistants or members of his family. Some of these emails appear to offer insights into deals he developed and money he was paid for business activities that opponents of his father’s bid for the presidency sought to make a campaign issue in 2020.

In particular, there are verified emails illuminating a deal Hunter Biden developed with a fast-growing Chinese energy conglomerate, CEFC China Energy, for which he was paid nearly $5 million, and other business relationships. Those business dealings are the subject of a separate Washington Post story published at the same time as this one on the forensic examinations of the drive.

The drive also includes some verified emails from Hunter Biden’s work with Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company for which he was a board member. President Donald Trump’s efforts to tie Joe Biden to the removal of a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Burisma led to Trump’s first impeachment trial, which ended in acquittal in February 2020.


John Paul Mac Isaac, the owner of the Wilmington repair shop, has said he received the 13-inch MacBook Pro on April 12, 2019, when Hunter Biden asked him to recover data from the computer because it had been damaged by liquid.

When his work was completed, Della Rocca said, Mac Isaac repeatedly attempted to contact Hunter Biden, who had signed a repair authorization, to advise him the laptop was ready to be picked up, but Hunter never responded. Della Rocca added that Mac Isaac finally came to regard the MacBook as abandoned property.

In July 2019, when news of Hunter Biden’s business dealings with Ukraine was gaining attention — largely because Trump’s private attorney, Rudy Giuliani, was making public allegations of wrongdoing — Mac Isaac contacted the FBI about the MacBook.

On Dec. 9, 2019, FBI agents from the Wilmington field office served a subpoena on Mac Isaac for the laptop, the hard drive and all related paperwork.

“He willingly gave it to the FBI and was happy to see it go,” Della Rocca said.

He added that Mac Isaac, before turning over the computer, made a copy of its hard drive “in case he was ever thrown under the bus as a result of what he knew.”

By then, Trump’s first impeachment trial, which ran from Jan. 16 to Feb. 5, 2020, was underway and Mac Isaac attempted to contact several members of Congress, none of whom replied.

He later contacted Giuliani, whose attorney, Robert Costello, responded almost immediately.

In an email with the subject line “Why is it so difficult to be a whistleblower when you are on the right?” written on Aug. 26, 2020, Mac Isaac told Costello that he had copies of the hard drive from Hunter Biden’s laptop.

“For my protection I made sevral copies and I have been trying quietly to bring it to peoples attention. I am reaching out to you for assistance and making sure the people that need to know about this do.”

Costello said he received a copy of the laptop’s hard drive from Mac Isaac. Giuliani has said he provided that data to the New York Post.

Responding to findings from news organizations that some material on the drive could be corroborated, Mac Isaac said in a statement: “I am relieved that finally, after 18 months of being persecuted and attacked for my actions, the rest of the country is starting to open their eyes.”

But both Green and Williams agreed on the authenticity of the emails that carried cryptographic signatures, though there was variation in which emails Green and Williams were able to verify using their forensic tools. The most reliable cryptographic signatures, they said, came from leading technology companies such as Google, which alone accounted for more than 16,000 of the verified emails.

Neither expert reported finding evidence that individual emails or other files had been manipulated by hackers, but neither was able to rule out that possibility.

“No evidence of tampering was discovered, but as noted throughout, several key pieces of evidence useful in discovering tampering were not available,” Williams’ reports concluded.

Williams verified a larger number of emails, nearly 22,000 in total — which included almost all of the ones Green had verified — after overcoming that problem by using software to correct alterations in the files. But he encountered obstacles with other emails that were only partially downloaded onto the drive, creating incomplete files that could not be verified cryptographically. Most of these files, he said, were probably just snippets of emails that would allow a user to preview the messages without downloading the full files.

Ukraine says it intercepted $6 million bribe to stop probe of Burisma founder

In addition to emails, the drive includes hundreds of thousands of other documents, including more than 36,000 images, more than 36,000 iMessage chat entries, more than 5,000 text files and more than 1,300 videos, according to tallies made by Williams, who, like Green, could not definitively verify any of them. In a small number of cases, The Post was able to establish the veracity of some of these files, such as bank documents, by obtaining copies from other sources.

Among the emails verified by Williams and Green were a batch of messages from Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company for which Hunter Biden was a board member. Most of these emails were reminders of board meetings, confirmation of travel, or notifications that his monthly payment had been sent.

Both Green and Williams said the Burisma emails they verified cryptographically were likely to be authentic, but they cautioned that if the company was hacked, it would be possible to fake cryptographic signatures — something much less likely to happen with Google.

One of the verified emails from Pozharskyi, which was the focus of one of the initial stories from the New York Post, was written on April 17, 2015. It thanked Hunter Biden “for inviting me to DC and giving me an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together.”

When the email first emerged in the New York Post about three weeks before the 2020 election, the Biden campaign and Hunter Biden’s lawyer both denied that Pozharskyi had ever met with Joe Biden. Asked recently about the email, the White House pointed to the previous denials, which The Post has examined in detail.

Williams also used a second cryptographic technology called ARC, for Authenticated Received Chain. It was created to make cryptographic verification possible even when email moves through multiple services.

Williams said ARC, though slightly less reliable than DKIM, was a worthy alternative for emails for which DKIM verification was not possible. Overall, his list of emails included 16,425 verified by DKIM and 5,521 verified by ARC.

There are limits to cryptographic verification of emails, both experts said. Not all email services provide cryptographic signatures, and among those that did, not all did so with the care of Google, which is regarded within the technology industry as having strong security protocols. Green and Williams said the only realistic way to fake Google’s DKIM signatures would be to hack the company’s own secure servers and steal private cryptographic keys — something they considered unlikely even for nation-state-level hackers using the most advanced techniques.
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You told us it all started inside the Government, and that the investigation started for no reason other than to take down Trump. The very title of this thread is a lie.....there is no Deep State. Even if you believe your own accounting (coincidentally, this is the FoxNation accounting) of what happened (I don't).....this was all perfectly legal feeding of stories to journalists.
HRC paid for disinformation, calling it oppo, then fed it to deep state apparatchiks as intel from a reliable spy that had worked with the FBI, & they were off to the races with Crossfire Hurricane & daily breaking news bombshell leaks, just as Dr Farkas solicited.

Fiona Hill introduced her research asst Igor Danchenko to Christopher Steele,
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old salt wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 6:13 pm HRC paid for disinformation, calling it oppo, then fed it to deep state apparatchiks as intel.
Really? Who? Who did Hillary hand it to, OS? Six years, and you STILL can't name names. And heck, five minutes ago, you told us that you were convinced that Hillary made the call to feed this stuff to the press. Now that you realize that logic doesn't hang together, you change your tune and tell us that Hillary gave it to a Federal employee---your "Deep State".

So which is it? Hilariously, you can't make up your mind as to how to tune your Tin Foil....

And the Dossier had nothing to do with, for example, Kush and Jr. meeting with a Russian spy in Trump tower. And the dossier had nothing to do with why all of Trump's men who are now convicted felons, many of them for lying about----you guessed right------dealings with Russians.

Your man Flynn? Remember him? Spin to us how ol' Hillary did that. Hillary MADE Flynn lie to the VP and the FBI....is that it?

You just block out anything you don't want to hear, and expect the forum to be too stupid to notice.

Sorry, it doesn't work.
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old salt wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 6:13 pm
You told us it all started inside the Government, and that the investigation started for no reason other than to take down Trump. The very title of this thread is a lie.....there is no Deep State. Even if you believe your own accounting (coincidentally, this is the FoxNation accounting) of what happened (I don't).....this was all perfectly legal feeding of stories to journalists.
HRC paid for disinformation, calling it oppo, then fed it to deep state apparatchiks as intel from a reliable spy that had worked with the FBI, & they were off to the races with Crossfire Hurricane & daily breaking news bombshell leaks, just as Dr Farkas solicited.

Fiona Hill introduced her research asst Igor Danchenko to Christopher Steele,
Stop lying.
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a fan wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:41 pm
old salt wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 6:13 pm HRC paid for disinformation, calling it oppo, then fed it to deep state apparatchiks as intel.
Really? Who? Who did Hillary hand it to, OS? Six years, and you STILL can't name names. And heck, five minutes ago, you told us that you were convinced that Hillary made the call to feed this stuff to the press. Now that you realize that logic doesn't hang together, you change your tune and tell us that Hillary gave it to a Federal employee---your "Deep State".

So which is it? Hilariously, you can't make up your mind as to how to tune your Tin Foil....

And the Dossier had nothing to do with, for example, Kush and Jr. meeting with a Russian spy in Trump tower. And the dossier had nothing to do with why all of Trump's men who are now convicted felons, many of them for lying about----you guessed right------dealings with Russians.

Your man Flynn? Remember him? Spin to us how ol' Hillary did that. Hillary MADE Flynn lie to the VP and the FBI....is that it?

You just block out anything you don't want to hear, and expect the forum to be too stupid to notice.

Sorry, it doesn't work.
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Her campaign paid Sussman's law firm to deliver it.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:57 pm
old salt wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 6:13 pm
You told us it all started inside the Government, and that the investigation started for no reason other than to take down Trump. The very title of this thread is a lie.....there is no Deep State. Even if you believe your own accounting (coincidentally, this is the FoxNation accounting) of what happened (I don't).....this was all perfectly legal feeding of stories to journalists.
HRC paid for disinformation, calling it oppo, then fed it to deep state apparatchiks as intel from a reliable spy that had worked with the FBI, & they were off to the races with Crossfire Hurricane & daily breaking news bombshell leaks, just as Dr Farkas solicited.

Fiona Hill introduced her research asst Igor Danchenko to Christopher Steele,
Stop lying.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... -pr-exec-1

Dossier critic Fiona Hill introduced main source to Steele — and, Durham says, 'PR Exec-1'
by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter | | November 05, 2021

Fiona Hill has criticized Christopher Steele and said his dossier likely contained Russian disinformation, but she introduced Igor Danchenko, the main source for the research who was indicted in special counsel John Durham's investigation, to both the former MI6 agent and allegedly a Democratic public relations executive who volunteered for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign.

Hill, who worked at the Brookings Institution with Danchenko for years before serving as the Russia expert on Trump’s National Security Council and testifying during the Ukraine-focused impeachment proceedings against former President Donald Trump, introduced Danchenko and Steele a decade ago.

The “PR Executive-1” in Durham’s indictment against Danchenko is Charles Dolan, a longtime ally of Bill and Hillary Clinton, whom Durham alleges was an originator of a false dossier claim he passed to Danchenko who then gave it to Steele.

Danchenko, a Russian-born lawyer in the United States, was charged Thursday “with five counts of making false statements to the FBI” that Durham claims he made about the information he provided for Steele's dossier on alleged ties between Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia.

Durham’s indictment stated Danchenko worked as a Russian analyst at “Think Tank-1,” Brookings, from 2005 through 2010. Durham also stated “Think Tank Employee-1,” identifiable as Hill, “introduced Danchenko to U.K. Person-1,” Steele. The indictment said Steele “retained Danchenko as a contractor at U.K. Investigative Firm-1,” Steele’s Orbis Business Intelligence — in 2011.

The special counsel also said Hill “introduced Danchenko to PR Executive-1,” Dolan, “in connection with potential business opportunities” around February 2016.

Hill talked about Steele's dossier in October 2019.
“I almost fell over when I discovered that he was doing this report,” Hill said.

Hill said she met with Steele in 2016 and noted he was “obviously out there soliciting information” and “was clearly very interested in building up a client base," which made him a target for Russia, calling it "a great opportunity to ... present him with information that he’s looking for that can be couched in some truth and some disinformation.”

Hill testified Steele’s dossier was a “rabbit hole” and Steele “could have been played” by the Russians. She stated that “I don't believe it's appropriate for him to have been hired to do this.”

Steele was hired by Fusion GPS which had been hired by the Perkins Coie law firm, which was working for Clinton's campaign.

Hill testified behind closed doors in October 2019 that "it's very likely that the Russians planted disinformation” in the dossier.

Hill told the House in November 2019 that the Russians targeted both candidates in 2016.

“They seed misinformation, they seed doubt, they have everybody questioning the legitimacy of a presidential candidate, be it President Trump or potentially President Clinton," Hill said.

Hill told House lawmakers it was Brookings President Strobe Talbott who showed her the dossier. Talbott, president of Brookings from 2002 through 2017, spoke with Steele in 2016 and received a copy of the dossier before the election, Steeled testified in a British court last year.

Talbott was a deputy secretary of state during the Clinton administration and chairman of former Secretary of State Clinton’s Foreign Affairs Policy Board. Talbott’s brother-in-law, Cody Shearer, wrote his own Trump-Russia dossier in 2016.

Benjamin Wittes, a senior fellow at Brookings, wrote to then-FBI Director James Comey’s alias email, Reinhold Niebuhr, about receiving a copy of the dossier in late December 2016.

Steele told the FBI during a London meeting in September 2017 that he believed Hill knew about the involvement of Danchenko with his discredited dossier.

The FBI wrote, “Steele said Fiona Hill knows that the primary subsource,” Danchenko, "was involved in the dossier,” and “when the primary subsource went to ground in January and February 2017, Steele contacted Hill and told Hill that he was worried about the primary subsource."

“I have no knowledge whatsoever of how he developed that dossier — none,” Hill said in 2019.

Danchenko previously cast doubt on Steele’s claims that Hill had been aware of his dossier work up until the time public disclosures of investigative materials revealed his role.

“I am not aware of any third party having any knowledge of any projects that I worked on in the private sector. ... I never shared any details of my work with anyone, including with Dr. Hill,” Danchenko told the Washington Examiner earlier this year. “To my knowledge, no one had been aware of my role in the Steele Dossier until my outing in July 2020." Durham’s indictment makes it clear numerous people were aware of Danchenko’s involvement.

Danchenko had kind words for Hill, adding, "I hold her and all the scholars I have had the privilege to work with in high regard."

“Hill has a very high opinion of the primary subsource, and she told Steele that he and Orbis should take a look at him," the FBI wrote of Steele's comments. "Hill is one of Steele’s close friends.”

In her 2015 book, Mr. Putin: Operative in the Kremlin, Hill said Danchenko “provided us with a wealth of insights into and information about" Putin. Hill wrote Danchenko a LinkedIn recommendation in 2011, saying that “Igor has built an extensive network of professional research connections that complements his network in Russia and Europe.”

Danchenko defended the years he spent working at Brookings in April. Durham used a subpoena to obtain documents from Brookings related to its employment of Danchenko.

“While I see this news of the Brookings angle of Durham inquiry as an attack on the integrity of the Brookings Institution, I can only welcome the review of my file,” Danchenko told the Washington Examiner. “There is no ‘there there' but a lot of groundbreaking research and analysis.”

FBI investigators received information in 2017 “indicating the potential for Russian disinformation influencing Steele’s election reporting," according to declassified footnotes from a Justice Department inspector general report.

Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska is known for his ties to President Vladimir Putin, as well as his prior business relationships with Steele and former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. A mansion in Washington, D.C., tied to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska was raided by the FBI last month.

The Senate Intelligence Committee’s 1,000-page report last year found that “the Russian government coordinates with and directs Deripaska on many of his influence operations.”

Steele worked for Deripaska in 2016, helping recover millions of dollars the Russian oligarch claimed Manafort had stolen from him.

The investigation found “indications that Deripaska had early knowledge of Steele's work." Steele’s continued relationship with Deripaska “provid[ed] a potential direct channel for Russian influence on the dossier."

Durham discovered that Danchenko was investigated by the FBI as a possible “threat to national security," according to documents declassified by then-Attorney General William Barr.

A declassified footnote from DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report states, “The Primary Sub-source was the subject of an FBI counterintelligence investigation” from May 2009 to March 2011 that "assessed his/her documented contacts with suspected Russian intelligence officers.”

FBI notes of a January 2017 interview with Danchenko showed he told the bureau he “did not know the origins” of some of Steele's claims. Horowitz said Danchenko “contradicted the allegations of a ‘well-developed conspiracy’ in” Steele’s dossier.

During a “The Interview” podcast with Mediate last month, Hill said the Russians were “popping champagne” over Democrats giving Kremlin credit for Trump’s 2016 win.

“The fact that we then said, ‘Well, the Russians did it,’ and the Russians said, ‘Well, we did this?’ You know, made fun of it. And of course they were thrilled,” Hill said. “Because, on the other hand, what a great achievement and a victory for the Russian intelligence services. I bet those guys were out there popping the champagne, giving each other medals, high fives, you know, ‘We never did that during the Soviet period.’ ... They tried to meddle in all sorts of elections, and we’re telling them that you elected Donald Trump.”

Hill wrote in her new book, There is Nothing for You Here, “I don’t believe Trump was intentionally doing something for Putin or anyone else.” She claimed Trump “simply could not distinguish between Russia’s broad-based attack on the American election and democratic system and his own position and ego.”

Hill was made clear she did not believe that the 2016 election had been stolen by the Russians.

“The outcome of the November 2020 presidential election ... showed that the 2016 result and Trump’s election in the United States had not been manufactured by Vladmir Putin,” Hill wrote, adding, “The voters who had swung the ballot for Donald Trump in critical countries in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan were swayed by consideration of their own personal, family, and communal circumstances, not by the fake internet personas derived by Russian intelligence services.”
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:57 pm
old salt wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 6:13 pm
You told us it all started inside the Government, and that the investigation started for no reason other than to take down Trump. The very title of this thread is a lie.....there is no Deep State. Even if you believe your own accounting (coincidentally, this is the FoxNation accounting) of what happened (I don't).....this was all perfectly legal feeding of stories to journalists.
HRC paid for disinformation, calling it oppo, then fed it to deep state apparatchiks as intel from a reliable spy that had worked with the FBI, & they were off to the races with Crossfire Hurricane & daily breaking news bombshell leaks, just as Dr Farkas solicited.

Fiona Hill introduced her research asst Igor Danchenko to Christopher Steele,
Stop lying.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sus ... ords-show/

Sussmann Billed Clinton Campaign on Day of FBI Meeting for Work on ‘Confidential Project,’ Records Show

May 25, 2022

Billing records presented by the prosecution in Michael Sussmann’s false-statement trial indicate that Sussmann charged the Clinton campaign for work on the day he met with then-FBI general counsel James Baker in 2016 to present evidence of alleged backchannel communications between the Trump Organization and Russia’s Alfa Bank.

Prosecutors allege that Sussmann lied to Baker when he asked for the meeting under the pretense that he was coming forward as a concerned citizen and not on behalf of any client. At the time of the meeting, Sussmann, then a partner at Perkins Coie, was representing the Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee and tech executive Rodney Joffe, whose firm Neustar dug up the Trump-Alfa evidence in the form of Domain Name System (DNS) data.

The billing records came to light during the direct examination of the prosecution’s summary witness, a paralegal on the Special Counsel’s team.

While questioning the paralegal, Kori Arsenault, prosecutor Michael Keilty showed the jury a billing record from September 19 filed by Sussmann. It read “work and meetings regarding confidential project,” and charged the campaign for 3.3 hours of work.

Keilty also entered into the record an expense report filed by Sussmann on September 22 to the Clinton campaign through Perkins Coie for the “purchase of flash drives” as well as a receipt showing the flash drives had been purchased prior to Sussmann’s meeting with Baker.

The DNS data that served as evidence of a communications channel between Trump and the Alfa Bank was presented to Baker on flash drives.

Michael Bosworth, a lawyer on Sussmann’s defense team, cross-examined Arenault and made three points.

The first was that in other billing record entries, Sussmann specifically referred to meetings with the FBI, whereas he did not in the seemingly damning entry from September 19.

The second was that in another expense report from the 19th, Sussmann billed the firm — not the campaign — for his taxi rides to lunch, FBI headquarters, and back to Perkins Coie’s offices on that day.

The third was that neither Arsenault nor anyone else had records indicating what was said during an approximately 13 minute phone call between Baker and Sussmann on September 21.

Keilty returned for a short rebuttal to point out that Sussmann billed the firm only for the taxis, which included a detour to stop for lunch, and not for his meeting with Baker.

After Arsenault left the stand, the prosecution also read a transcript from an interview with Sussmann in which he tells the government that he met with Baker — and later the CIA in 2017 — for his client.

“It was done on behalf of my client,” he told them.


https://www.nationalreview.com/news/tre ... e-dossier/

Blumenthal, a longtime Clinton confidant and fixer, helped to disseminate a separate opposition-research dossier on then-candidate Trump compiled by his aide Cody Shearer. Blumenthal gave Shearer’s dossier, which contained some of the same salacious details included in Steele’s report, to a State Department official who provided it to Steele, who then gave it to the FBI to corroborate his own investigation.

Shearer and Blumenthal previously ran a “secret spy network” during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state, which she used as a back-channel to obtain information about the volatile events unfolding in Benghazi, Libya during the 2012 terror attack on U.S. government facilities there.
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old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:36 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:57 pm
old salt wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 6:13 pm
You told us it all started inside the Government, and that the investigation started for no reason other than to take down Trump. The very title of this thread is a lie.....there is no Deep State. Even if you believe your own accounting (coincidentally, this is the FoxNation accounting) of what happened (I don't).....this was all perfectly legal feeding of stories to journalists.
HRC paid for disinformation, calling it oppo, then fed it to deep state apparatchiks as intel from a reliable spy that had worked with the FBI, & they were off to the races with Crossfire Hurricane & daily breaking news bombshell leaks, just as Dr Farkas solicited.

Fiona Hill introduced her research asst Igor Danchenko to Christopher Steele,
Stop lying.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sus ... ords-show/

Sussmann Billed Clinton Campaign on Day of FBI Meeting for Work on ‘Confidential Project,’ Records Show

May 25, 2022

Billing records presented by the prosecution in Michael Sussmann’s false-statement trial indicate that Sussmann charged the Clinton campaign for work on the day he met with then-FBI general counsel James Baker in 2016 to present evidence of alleged backchannel communications between the Trump Organization and Russia’s Alfa Bank.

Prosecutors allege that Sussmann lied to Baker when he asked for the meeting under the pretense that he was coming forward as a concerned citizen and not on behalf of any client. At the time of the meeting, Sussmann, then a partner at Perkins Coie, was representing the Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee and tech executive Rodney Joffe, whose firm Neustar dug up the Trump-Alfa evidence in the form of Domain Name System (DNS) data.

The billing records came to light during the direct examination of the prosecution’s summary witness, a paralegal on the Special Counsel’s team.

While questioning the paralegal, Kori Arsenault, prosecutor Michael Keilty showed the jury a billing record from September 19 filed by Sussmann. It read “work and meetings regarding confidential project,” and charged the campaign for 3.3 hours of work.

Keilty also entered into the record an expense report filed by Sussmann on September 22 to the Clinton campaign through Perkins Coie for the “purchase of flash drives” as well as a receipt showing the flash drives had been purchased prior to Sussmann’s meeting with Baker.

The DNS data that served as evidence of a communications channel between Trump and the Alfa Bank was presented to Baker on flash drives.

Michael Bosworth, a lawyer on Sussmann’s defense team, cross-examined Arenault and made three points.

The first was that in other billing record entries, Sussmann specifically referred to meetings with the FBI, whereas he did not in the seemingly damning entry from September 19.

The second was that in another expense report from the 19th, Sussmann billed the firm — not the campaign — for his taxi rides to lunch, FBI headquarters, and back to Perkins Coie’s offices on that day.

The third was that neither Arsenault nor anyone else had records indicating what was said during an approximately 13 minute phone call between Baker and Sussmann on September 21.

Keilty returned for a short rebuttal to point out that Sussmann billed the firm only for the taxis, which included a detour to stop for lunch, and not for his meeting with Baker.

After Arsenault left the stand, the prosecution also read a transcript from an interview with Sussmann in which he tells the government that he met with Baker — and later the CIA in 2017 — for his client.

“It was done on behalf of my client,” he told them.


https://www.nationalreview.com/news/tre ... e-dossier/

Blumenthal, a longtime Clinton confidant and fixer, helped to disseminate a separate opposition-research dossier on then-candidate Trump compiled by his aide Cody Shearer. Blumenthal gave Shearer’s dossier, which contained some of the same salacious details included in Steele’s report, to a State Department official who provided it to Steele, who then gave it to the FBI to corroborate his own investigation.

Shearer and Blumenthal previously ran a “secret spy network” during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state, which she used as a back-channel to obtain information about the volatile events unfolding in Benghazi, Libya during the 2012 terror attack on U.S. government facilities there.
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old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:08 am
a fan wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:41 pm
old salt wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 6:13 pm HRC paid for disinformation, calling it oppo, then fed it to deep state apparatchiks as intel.
Really? Who? Who did Hillary hand it to, OS? Six years, and you STILL can't name names. And heck, five minutes ago, you told us that you were convinced that Hillary made the call to feed this stuff to the press. Now that you realize that logic doesn't hang together, you change your tune and tell us that Hillary gave it to a Federal employee---your "Deep State".

So which is it? Hilariously, you can't make up your mind as to how to tune your Tin Foil....

And the Dossier had nothing to do with, for example, Kush and Jr. meeting with a Russian spy in Trump tower. And the dossier had nothing to do with why all of Trump's men who are now convicted felons, many of them for lying about----you guessed right------dealings with Russians.

Your man Flynn? Remember him? Spin to us how ol' Hillary did that. Hillary MADE Flynn lie to the VP and the FBI....is that it?

You just block out anything you don't want to hear, and expect the forum to be too stupid to notice.

Sorry, it doesn't work.
Squirrel, squirrel !

Her campaign paid Sussman's law firm to deliver it.
Stop lying…. It’s like saying you paid your financial advisor to lose money after seeing the value go down. Look at the statements! The value is down….and look at the receipts! You paid him! Hillary hired these people to concoct this plan and execute this scheme. She’s a master mind. She was “playing chess, while everyone else was playing checkers”….
“You lucky I ain’t read wretched yet!”
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old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:36 am While questioning the paralegal, Kori Arsenault, prosecutor Michael Keilty showed the jury a billing record from September 19 filed by Sussmann. It read “work and meetings regarding confidential project,” and charged the campaign for 3.3 hours of work.
:lol: You've done it again. Disproving your own nonsense.

After just claiming the whole thing started with Hillary, who supposedly gave the Steele Dossier to the Deep State member in the FBI, in September of 2016....


Riddle me this: when did Crossfire Hurricane, the investigation into TeamTrump start?

:lol: I'll give you a hint. It was months BEFORE September of 2016.

Game. Over. Hillary didn't "start" doodly. TeamTrump, just like Hunter, DESERVED to be investigated for their lies and shady dealings. And the rest of us Americans are grateful our Intel services looked into both of these corrupt families.

There is no Deep State. And I"m just thrilled that YOU gave the Forum the timeline that proves that the FBI was already investigating the breasts at TeamTrump months before the Dossier supposedly reached the FBI.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 9:52 am
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:08 am
a fan wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:41 pm
old salt wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 6:13 pm HRC paid for disinformation, calling it oppo, then fed it to deep state apparatchiks as intel.
Really? Who? Who did Hillary hand it to, OS? Six years, and you STILL can't name names. And heck, five minutes ago, you told us that you were convinced that Hillary made the call to feed this stuff to the press. Now that you realize that logic doesn't hang together, you change your tune and tell us that Hillary gave it to a Federal employee---your "Deep State".

So which is it? Hilariously, you can't make up your mind as to how to tune your Tin Foil....

And the Dossier had nothing to do with, for example, Kush and Jr. meeting with a Russian spy in Trump tower. And the dossier had nothing to do with why all of Trump's men who are now convicted felons, many of them for lying about----you guessed right------dealings with Russians.

Your man Flynn? Remember him? Spin to us how ol' Hillary did that. Hillary MADE Flynn lie to the VP and the FBI....is that it?

You just block out anything you don't want to hear, and expect the forum to be too stupid to notice.

Sorry, it doesn't work.
Squirrel, squirrel !

Her campaign paid Sussman's law firm to deliver it.
Stop lying…. It’s like saying you paid your financial advisor to lose money after seeing the value go down. Look at the statements! The value is down….and look at the receipts! You paid him! Hillary hired these people to concoct this plan and execute this scheme. She’s a master mind. She was “playing chess, while everyone else was playing checkers”….
Yup!


Any Ozark fans here? Loved the last half season episode where Ruth drops, "She is playing chess and you're playing Candyland!"
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CU88 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 12:23 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 9:52 am
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:08 am
a fan wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:41 pm
old salt wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 6:13 pm HRC paid for disinformation, calling it oppo, then fed it to deep state apparatchiks as intel.
Really? Who? Who did Hillary hand it to, OS? Six years, and you STILL can't name names. And heck, five minutes ago, you told us that you were convinced that Hillary made the call to feed this stuff to the press. Now that you realize that logic doesn't hang together, you change your tune and tell us that Hillary gave it to a Federal employee---your "Deep State".

So which is it? Hilariously, you can't make up your mind as to how to tune your Tin Foil....

And the Dossier had nothing to do with, for example, Kush and Jr. meeting with a Russian spy in Trump tower. And the dossier had nothing to do with why all of Trump's men who are now convicted felons, many of them for lying about----you guessed right------dealings with Russians.

Your man Flynn? Remember him? Spin to us how ol' Hillary did that. Hillary MADE Flynn lie to the VP and the FBI....is that it?

You just block out anything you don't want to hear, and expect the forum to be too stupid to notice.

Sorry, it doesn't work.
Squirrel, squirrel !

Her campaign paid Sussman's law firm to deliver it.
Stop lying…. It’s like saying you paid your financial advisor to lose money after seeing the value go down. Look at the statements! The value is down….and look at the receipts! You paid him! Hillary hired these people to concoct this plan and execute this scheme. She’s a master mind. She was “playing chess, while everyone else was playing checkers”….
Yup!

Any Ozark fans here? Loved the last half season episode where Ruth drops, "She is playing chess and you're playing Candyland!"
Hillary bootlickers.
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a fan wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 11:57 am
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:36 am While questioning the paralegal, Kori Arsenault, prosecutor Michael Keilty showed the jury a billing record from September 19 filed by Sussmann. It read “work and meetings regarding confidential project,” and charged the campaign for 3.3 hours of work.
:lol: You've done it again. Disproving your own nonsense.

After just claiming the whole thing started with Hillary, who supposedly gave the Steele Dossier to the Deep State member in the FBI, in September of 2016....


Riddle me this: when did Crossfire Hurricane, the investigation into TeamTrump start?

:lol: I'll give you a hint. It was months BEFORE September of 2016.

Game. Over. Hillary didn't "start" doodly. TeamTrump, just like Hunter, DESERVED to be investigated for their lies and shady dealings. And the rest of us Americans are grateful our Intel services looked into both of these corrupt families.

There is no Deep State. And I"m just thrilled that YOU gave the Forum the timeline that proves that the FBI was already investigating the breasts at TeamTrump months before the Dossier supposedly reached the FBI.
Hey Sherlock -- HRC/DNC picked up the oppo contract with Fusion GPS in spring of 2016.
Fusion GPS hired Steele in June 2016.
Crossfire Hurricane began July 31, 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... -timeline/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire ... ign%20were
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old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 4:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 11:57 am
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:36 am While questioning the paralegal, Kori Arsenault, prosecutor Michael Keilty showed the jury a billing record from September 19 filed by Sussmann. It read “work and meetings regarding confidential project,” and charged the campaign for 3.3 hours of work.
:lol: You've done it again. Disproving your own nonsense.

After just claiming the whole thing started with Hillary, who supposedly gave the Steele Dossier to the Deep State member in the FBI, in September of 2016....


Riddle me this: when did Crossfire Hurricane, the investigation into TeamTrump start?

:lol: I'll give you a hint. It was months BEFORE September of 2016.

Game. Over. Hillary didn't "start" doodly. TeamTrump, just like Hunter, DESERVED to be investigated for their lies and shady dealings. And the rest of us Americans are grateful our Intel services looked into both of these corrupt families.

There is no Deep State. And I"m just thrilled that YOU gave the Forum the timeline that proves that the FBI was already investigating the breasts at TeamTrump months before the Dossier supposedly reached the FBI.
Hey Sherlock -- HRC/DNC picked up the oppo contract with Fusion GPS in spring of 2016. Fusion GPS hired Steele in June 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... -timeline/
So what? Are you going to tell us now that Hillary was whispering in the FBI's ear in June and July that they should open up an investigation into Trump?

Didn't have anything substantive to share, just whispered in their ear?

NONE of this happens without Trump and crew lying their asses off constantly. NONE of this happens without all of the quite real connections with Russians, ALL denied by Trump and crew at every turn.

And NONE of this happens without the Russians actually having an active and cyber measures campaign to support Trump's election over Clinton.

They did, and the FBI saw it.

All while Trump himself was talking about Putin and the Russians, asking publicly for their support...and getting it...

It would have been outrageous not to have investigated.
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old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 4:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 11:57 am
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:36 am While questioning the paralegal, Kori Arsenault, prosecutor Michael Keilty showed the jury a billing record from September 19 filed by Sussmann. It read “work and meetings regarding confidential project,” and charged the campaign for 3.3 hours of work.
:lol: You've done it again. Disproving your own nonsense.

After just claiming the whole thing started with Hillary, who supposedly gave the Steele Dossier to the Deep State member in the FBI, in September of 2016....


Riddle me this: when did Crossfire Hurricane, the investigation into TeamTrump start?

:lol: I'll give you a hint. It was months BEFORE September of 2016.

Game. Over. Hillary didn't "start" doodly. TeamTrump, just like Hunter, DESERVED to be investigated for their lies and shady dealings. And the rest of us Americans are grateful our Intel services looked into both of these corrupt families.

There is no Deep State. And I"m just thrilled that YOU gave the Forum the timeline that proves that the FBI was already investigating the breasts at TeamTrump months before the Dossier supposedly reached the FBI.
Hey Sherlock -- HRC/DNC picked up the oppo contract with Fusion GPS in spring of 2016.
Fusion GPS hired Steele in June 2016.
Crossfire Hurricane began July 31, 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... -timeline/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire ... ign%20were
...& Steele first met with the FBI to give them his intel on Trump on Juy 5, 2016
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 5:07 pm
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 4:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 11:57 am
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:36 am While questioning the paralegal, Kori Arsenault, prosecutor Michael Keilty showed the jury a billing record from September 19 filed by Sussmann. It read “work and meetings regarding confidential project,” and charged the campaign for 3.3 hours of work.
:lol: You've done it again. Disproving your own nonsense.

After just claiming the whole thing started with Hillary, who supposedly gave the Steele Dossier to the Deep State member in the FBI, in September of 2016....


Riddle me this: when did Crossfire Hurricane, the investigation into TeamTrump start?

:lol: I'll give you a hint. It was months BEFORE September of 2016.

Game. Over. Hillary didn't "start" doodly. TeamTrump, just like Hunter, DESERVED to be investigated for their lies and shady dealings. And the rest of us Americans are grateful our Intel services looked into both of these corrupt families.

There is no Deep State. And I"m just thrilled that YOU gave the Forum the timeline that proves that the FBI was already investigating the breasts at TeamTrump months before the Dossier supposedly reached the FBI.
Hey Sherlock -- HRC/DNC picked up the oppo contract with Fusion GPS in spring of 2016. Fusion GPS hired Steele in June 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... -timeline/
So what? Are you going to tell us now that Hillary was whispering in the FBI's ear in June and July that they should open up an investigation into Trump?

Didn't have anything substantive to share, just whispered in their ear?

NONE of this happens without Trump and crew lying their asses off constantly. NONE of this happens without all of the quite real connections with Russians, ALL denied by Trump and crew at every turn.

And NONE of this happens without the Russians actually having an active and cyber measures campaign to support Trump's election over Clinton.

They did, and the FBI saw it.

All while Trump himself was talking about Putin and the Russians, asking publicly for their support...and getting it...

It would have been outrageous not to have investigated.
I'm correcting afan's timeline disputing any connection between Steele's work (financed under contract with HRC/DNC) & the start of Crossfire Hurricane. Keep laying down your smokescreen deflecting away from HRC's involvement. Mueller investigated all your diversionary allegations.
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old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 5:13 pm
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 4:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 11:57 am
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:36 am While questioning the paralegal, Kori Arsenault, prosecutor Michael Keilty showed the jury a billing record from September 19 filed by Sussmann. It read “work and meetings regarding confidential project,” and charged the campaign for 3.3 hours of work.
:lol: You've done it again. Disproving your own nonsense.

After just claiming the whole thing started with Hillary, who supposedly gave the Steele Dossier to the Deep State member in the FBI, in September of 2016....


Riddle me this: when did Crossfire Hurricane, the investigation into TeamTrump start?

:lol: I'll give you a hint. It was months BEFORE September of 2016.

Game. Over. Hillary didn't "start" doodly. TeamTrump, just like Hunter, DESERVED to be investigated for their lies and shady dealings. And the rest of us Americans are grateful our Intel services looked into both of these corrupt families.

There is no Deep State. And I"m just thrilled that YOU gave the Forum the timeline that proves that the FBI was already investigating the breasts at TeamTrump months before the Dossier supposedly reached the FBI.
Hey Sherlock -- HRC/DNC picked up the oppo contract with Fusion GPS in spring of 2016.
Fusion GPS hired Steele in June 2016.
Crossfire Hurricane began July 31, 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... -timeline/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire ... ign%20were
...& Steele first met with the FBI to give them his intel on Trump on Juy 5, 2016
Where do you find that "fact"? The wiki write-up says that his first meeting with the FBI re the election was in Rome in August. After the investigation had been opened. and the first Steele memo (later "dossier") wasn't until Sept 19.

And it's clear, at least from that wiki, that ALL of the findings of successive investigations were that the FBI began their investigation unrelated to their later meetings with Steele.
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old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 5:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 5:07 pm
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 4:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 11:57 am
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:36 am While questioning the paralegal, Kori Arsenault, prosecutor Michael Keilty showed the jury a billing record from September 19 filed by Sussmann. It read “work and meetings regarding confidential project,” and charged the campaign for 3.3 hours of work.
:lol: You've done it again. Disproving your own nonsense.

After just claiming the whole thing started with Hillary, who supposedly gave the Steele Dossier to the Deep State member in the FBI, in September of 2016....


Riddle me this: when did Crossfire Hurricane, the investigation into TeamTrump start?

:lol: I'll give you a hint. It was months BEFORE September of 2016.

Game. Over. Hillary didn't "start" doodly. TeamTrump, just like Hunter, DESERVED to be investigated for their lies and shady dealings. And the rest of us Americans are grateful our Intel services looked into both of these corrupt families.

There is no Deep State. And I"m just thrilled that YOU gave the Forum the timeline that proves that the FBI was already investigating the breasts at TeamTrump months before the Dossier supposedly reached the FBI.
Hey Sherlock -- HRC/DNC picked up the oppo contract with Fusion GPS in spring of 2016. Fusion GPS hired Steele in June 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... -timeline/
So what? Are you going to tell us now that Hillary was whispering in the FBI's ear in June and July that they should open up an investigation into Trump?

Didn't have anything substantive to share, just whispered in their ear?

NONE of this happens without Trump and crew lying their asses off constantly. NONE of this happens without all of the quite real connections with Russians, ALL denied by Trump and crew at every turn.

And NONE of this happens without the Russians actually having an active and cyber measures campaign to support Trump's election over Clinton.

They did, and the FBI saw it.

All while Trump himself was talking about Putin and the Russians, asking publicly for their support...and getting it...

It would have been outrageous not to have investigated.
I'm correcting afan's timeline disputing any connection between Steele's work (financed under contract with HRC/DNC) & the start of Crossfire Hurricane. Keep laying down your smokescreen deflecting away from HRC's involvement. Mueller investigated all your diversionary allegations.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 5:22 pm
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 5:13 pm
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 4:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 11:57 am
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:36 am While questioning the paralegal, Kori Arsenault, prosecutor Michael Keilty showed the jury a billing record from September 19 filed by Sussmann. It read “work and meetings regarding confidential project,” and charged the campaign for 3.3 hours of work.
:lol: You've done it again. Disproving your own nonsense.

After just claiming the whole thing started with Hillary, who supposedly gave the Steele Dossier to the Deep State member in the FBI, in September of 2016....


Riddle me this: when did Crossfire Hurricane, the investigation into TeamTrump start?

:lol: I'll give you a hint. It was months BEFORE September of 2016.

Game. Over. Hillary didn't "start" doodly. TeamTrump, just like Hunter, DESERVED to be investigated for their lies and shady dealings. And the rest of us Americans are grateful our Intel services looked into both of these corrupt families.

There is no Deep State. And I"m just thrilled that YOU gave the Forum the timeline that proves that the FBI was already investigating the breasts at TeamTrump months before the Dossier supposedly reached the FBI.
Hey Sherlock -- HRC/DNC picked up the oppo contract with Fusion GPS in spring of 2016.
Fusion GPS hired Steele in June 2016.
Crossfire Hurricane began July 31, 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... -timeline/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire ... ign%20were
...& Steele first met with the FBI to give them his intel on Trump on Juy 5, 2016
Where do you find that "fact"? The wiki write-up says that his first meeting with the FBI re the election was in Rome in August. After the investigation had been opened. and the first Steele memo (later "dossier") wasn't until Sept 19.

And it's clear, at least from that wiki, that ALL of the findings of successive investigations were that the FBI began their investigation unrelated to their later meetings with Steele.
Look at the timeline diagram in the WP link I posted.
Steele first met with the FBI in London on July 5, then met with them again in Rome in August.
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old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 6:11 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 5:22 pm
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 5:13 pm
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 4:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 11:57 am
old salt wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:36 am While questioning the paralegal, Kori Arsenault, prosecutor Michael Keilty showed the jury a billing record from September 19 filed by Sussmann. It read “work and meetings regarding confidential project,” and charged the campaign for 3.3 hours of work.
:lol: You've done it again. Disproving your own nonsense.

After just claiming the whole thing started with Hillary, who supposedly gave the Steele Dossier to the Deep State member in the FBI, in September of 2016....


Riddle me this: when did Crossfire Hurricane, the investigation into TeamTrump start?

:lol: I'll give you a hint. It was months BEFORE September of 2016.

Game. Over. Hillary didn't "start" doodly. TeamTrump, just like Hunter, DESERVED to be investigated for their lies and shady dealings. And the rest of us Americans are grateful our Intel services looked into both of these corrupt families.

There is no Deep State. And I"m just thrilled that YOU gave the Forum the timeline that proves that the FBI was already investigating the breasts at TeamTrump months before the Dossier supposedly reached the FBI.
Hey Sherlock -- HRC/DNC picked up the oppo contract with Fusion GPS in spring of 2016.
Fusion GPS hired Steele in June 2016.
Crossfire Hurricane began July 31, 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... -timeline/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire ... ign%20were
...& Steele first met with the FBI to give them his intel on Trump on Juy 5, 2016
Where do you find that "fact"? The wiki write-up says that his first meeting with the FBI re the election was in Rome in August. After the investigation had been opened. and the first Steele memo (later "dossier") wasn't until Sept 19.

And it's clear, at least from that wiki, that ALL of the findings of successive investigations were that the FBI began their investigation unrelated to their later meetings with Steele.
Look at the timeline diagram in the WP link I posted & read the WP story linked in the timeline article.
Steele first met with the FBI in London on July 5, then met with them again in Rome in August.
paywall.

So, your contention is that Steele, on Clinton's payroll and her direction, whispered to the FBI that they should be looking at Trump (of course they should!) and so that's why they opened an investigation...are you also contending that Steele gave them actual information, ala his 'memos'?

And the wiki link is just badly mistaken?
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