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NoLeft wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 8:42 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 6:16 pm More grandstanding:

The NBA is deep into Red China; and the Uyghur genocide continues....without another word from any NBA employee. The Uyghur situation is a nation-wide ethnic cleansing event, going on in full view of the world. Stevie, please let us all know when you and the NBA start publically condemning all of this. Otherwise you are the dictionary picture of Hypocrisy.....
:lol: :lol:

Stevie has a helluva commute to get his family to China for school drop off!
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RedFromMI wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 9:03 pm
old salt wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 8:58 pm Anti-depressant drugs, covid isolation, violent video games, social media, breakdown of family structure
Which are present in pretty much a lot of the Western world in fairly similar ways to the US. Not the reason why the problem is so severe here. Just deflection.
Factors in why it has gotten worse since Columbine.
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We need to get our arms around China before we worry about kids being gunned down in schools in the United States of America.

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RedFromMI wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 9:03 pm
old salt wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 8:58 pm Anti-depressant drugs, covid isolation, violent video games, social media, breakdown of family structure
Which are present in pretty much a lot of the Western world in fairly similar ways to the US. Not the reason why the problem is so severe here. Just deflection.
Is your head really that far in the sand to say the above is "deflection"?!?! It's not the only factor, but to be so dismissive of it is just utter lunacy. Those are all bigger factors than you think. It doesn't mean that guns don't remain the single biggest problem... Everything issue in life is not myopically cause/focused by one single factor.. :roll: :roll:

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Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 4:58 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 4:45 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 4:26 pm
Kismet wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 2:18 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 2:12 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 11:34 am
Typical Democratic message today: I care more about these deaths than you do.
Our troll is finally correct on something. They actually do. Or at least the vast majority of Democratic representatives care more than the vast majority of Republican ones. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/politics ... index.html
Instructive to watch grandstanding gubernatorial Democratic candidate Beto O'Rourke crash the governor's press conference as the genius Lt. Governor calls him an a-hole on national television as he orders the cops to remove him from the room.
I'm sure glad I don't live in Texas with these morons in charge.
Shameless grandstanding, staged political ploy during a very somber press conference.

He deserves to lose by a ton just for that.
Back to being wrong. It was the press conference that was political grandstanding.


*Elected* politicians are expected to host press conferences such as that as a rite of sharing grief and offering condolences. It’s civil.

Private citizens aren’t generally expected to stage a fundraising hysteric protest there.

Beto will lose a ton of support from the center because of this. I understand the lunatics of the left are screaming hosannas for him for the same, but in Texas, those folks aren’t any more than 10% of the electorate tops. Bad move strategically because it was a bad move morally. What an insufferable toolbox.
The governor and city/town mayor holding a press conference isn’t grandstanding. Parading every Republican holding an elected office related to Uvalde onto a stage is nothing except grandstanding.

Every person in the audience for the press conference should have joined Beto in his criticism of those useless elected officials.

The only time I want to hear “thoughts and prayers” is the answer is when I’m at church.
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Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 4:26 pm
Kismet wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 2:18 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 2:12 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 11:34 am
Typical Democratic message today: I care more about these deaths than you do.
Our troll is finally correct on something. They actually do. Or at least the vast majority of Democratic representatives care more than the vast majority of Republican ones. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/politics ... index.html
Instructive to watch grandstanding gubernatorial Democratic candidate Beto O'Rourke crash the governor's press conference as the genius Lt. Governor calls him an a-hole on national television as he orders the cops to remove him from the room.
I'm sure glad I don't live in Texas with these morons in charge.



Shameless grandstanding, staged political ploy during a very somber press conference.

He deserves to lose by a ton just for that.
^^^^ CHILD KILLER! You and your whole damned fascist CHILD KILLING party.
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May 24, 2022
Heather Cox Richardson
May 25

Today, a gunman murdered at least 19 children and 2 adults at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas.

For years now, after one massacre or another, I have written some version of the same article, explaining that the nation’s current gun free-for-all is not traditional but, rather, is a symptom of the takeover of our nation by a radical extremist minority. The idea that massacres are “the price of freedom,” as right-wing personality Bill O’Reilly said in 2017 after the Mandalay Bay massacre in Las Vegas, in which a gunman killed 60 people and wounded 411 others, is new, and it is about politics, not our history.

The Second Amendment to the Constitution, on which modern-day arguments for widespread gun ownership rest, is one simple sentence: “A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” There’s not a lot to go on about what the Framers meant, although in their day, to “bear arms” meant to be part of an organized militia.

As the Tennessee Supreme Court wrote in 1840, “A man in the pursuit of deer, elk, and buffaloes might carry his rifle every day for forty years, and yet it would never be said of him that he had borne arms; much less could it be said that a private citizen bears arms because he has a dirk or pistol concealed under his clothes, or a spear in a cane.”

Today’s insistence that the Second Amendment gives individuals a broad right to own guns comes from two places.

One is the establishment of the National Rifle Association in New York in 1871, in part to improve the marksmanship skills of American citizens who might be called on to fight in another war, and in part to promote in America the British sport of elite shooting, complete with hefty cash prizes in newly organized tournaments. Just a decade after the Civil War, veterans jumped at the chance to hone their former skills. Rifle clubs sprang up across the nation.

By the 1920s, rifle shooting was a popular American sport. “Riflemen” competed in the Olympics, in colleges, and in local, state, and national tournaments organized by the NRA. Being a good marksman was a source of pride, mentioned in public biographies, like being a good golfer. In 1925, when the secretary of the NRA apparently took money from ammunition and arms manufacturers, the organization tossed him out and sued him.

NRA officers insisted on the right of citizens to own rifles and handguns but worked hard to distinguish between law-abiding citizens who should have access to guns for hunting and target shooting and protection, and criminals and mentally ill people, who should not. In 1931, amid fears of bootlegger gangs, the NRA backed federal legislation to limit concealed weapons; prevent possession by criminals, the mentally ill and children; to require all dealers to be licensed; and to require background checks before delivery. It backed the 1934 National Firearms Act, and parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act, designed to stop what seemed to be America’s hurtle toward violence in that turbulent decade.

But in the mid-1970s, a faction in the NRA forced the organization away from sports and toward opposing “gun control.” It formed a political action committee (PAC) in 1975, and two years later it elected an organization president who abandoned sporting culture and focused instead on “gun rights.”

This was the second thing that led us to where we are today: leaders of the NRA embraced the politics of Movement Conservatism, the political movement that rose to combat the business regulations and social welfare programs that both Democrats and Republicans embraced after World War II. Movement Conservatives embraced the myth of the American cowboy as a white man standing against the “socialism” of the federal government as it sought to level the economic playing field between Black Americans and their white neighbors. Leaders like Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater personified the American cowboy, with his cowboy hat and opposition to government regulation, while television Westerns showed good guys putting down bad guys without the interference of the government.

In 1972, the Republican platform had called for gun control to restrict the sale of “cheap handguns,” but in 1975, as he geared up to challenge President Gerald R. Ford for the 1976 presidential nomination, Movement Conservative hero Ronald Reagan took a stand against gun control. In 1980, the Republican platform opposed the federal registration of firearms, and the NRA endorsed a presidential candidate—Reagan—for the first time.

When President Reagan took office, a new American era, dominated by Movement Conservatives, began. And the power of the NRA over American politics grew.

In 1981 a gunman trying to kill Reagan shot and paralyzed his press secretary, James Brady, and wounded Secret Service agent Tim McCarthy and police officer Thomas Delahanty. After the shooting, then-representative Charles Schumer (D-NY) introduced legislation that became known as the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, or the Brady Bill, to require background checks before gun purchases. Reagan, who was a member of the NRA, endorsed the bill, but the NRA spent millions of dollars to defeat it.

After the Brady Bill passed in 1993, the NRA paid for lawsuits in nine states to strike it down. Until 1959, every single legal article on the Second Amendment concluded that it was not intended to guarantee individuals the right to own a gun. But in the 1970s, legal scholars funded by the NRA had begun to argue that the Second Amendment did exactly that.

In 1997, when the Brady Bill cases came before the Supreme Court as Printz v. United States, the Supreme Court declared parts of the measure unconstitutional.

Now a player in national politics, the NRA was awash in money from gun and ammunition manufacturers. By 2000 it was one of the three most powerful lobbies in Washington. It spent more than $40 million on the 2008 election. In that year, the landmark Supreme Court decision of District of Columbia v. Heller struck down gun regulations and declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to keep and bear arms.

Increasingly, NRA money backed Republican candidates. In 2012 the NRA spent $9 million in the presidential election, and in 2014 it spent $13 million. Then, in 2016, it spent over $50 million on Republican candidates, including more than $30 million on Trump’s effort to win the White House. This money was vital to Trump, since many other Republican super PACs refused to back him. The NRA spent more money on Trump than any other outside group, including the leading Trump super PAC, which spent $20.3 million.

The unfettered right to own and carry weapons has come to symbolize the Republican Party’s ideology of individual liberty. Lawmakers and activists have not been able to overcome Republican insistence on gun rights despite the mass shootings that have risen since their new emphasis on guns. Even though 90% of Americans—including nearly 74% of NRA members—support background checks, Republicans have killed such legislation by filibustering it.

The NRA will hold its 2022 annual meeting this Friday in Houston. Former president Trump will speak, along with Texas governor Greg Abbott, senator Ted Cruz, and representative Dan Crenshaw; North Carolina lieutenant governor Mark Robinson; and South Dakota governor Kristi Noem—all Republicans. NRA executive vice president and chief executive officer Wayne LaPierre expressed his enthusiasm for the lineup by saying: “President Trump delivered on his promises by appointing judges who respect and value the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and in doing so helped ensure the freedom of generations of Americans.”

Tonight, President Joe Biden spoke to the nation: “Why are we willing to live with this carnage? Why do we keep letting this happen?... It’s time to turn this pain into action. For every parent, for every citizen in this country, we have to make it clear to every elected official in this country, it’s time to act.” In the Senate, Chris Murphy (D-CT) said, "I am here on this floor, to beg, to literally get down on my hands and knees and beg my colleagues....find a way to pass laws that make this less likely."

But it was Steve Kerr, the coach of the Golden State Warriors basketball team, whose father was murdered by gunmen in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1984, who best expressed the outrage of the nation. At a press conference tonight, shaking, he said, “I’m not going to talk about basketball…. Any basketball questions don’t matter…. Fourteen children were killed 400 miles from here, and a teacher, and in the last ten days we’ve had elderly Black people killed in a supermarket in Buffalo, we’ve had Asian churchgoers killed in Southern California, and now we have children murdered at school. WHEN ARE WE GONNA DO SOMETHING? I’m tired, I’m so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to the devastated families…. I’m tired of the moments of silence. Enough. There’s 50 senators…who refuse to vote on HR 8, which is a background check rule that the House passed a couple years ago…. [N]inety percent of Americans, regardless of political party, want…universal background checks…. We are being held hostage by 50 senators in Washington who refuse to even put it to a vote despite what we the American people want…because they want to hold onto their own power. It’s pathetic,” he said, walking out of the press conference.

“I’ve had enough.”
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C&S, there is no problem defining a semi-automatic or automatic weapon. It is a matter of fire rate. Above a fire rate of "X" is a semi-automatic. Above a fire rate of "Y" is a full automatic. Stop thinking of it in terms of the fire and reload mechanism. Guns can be designed to meet the specification. Yes most current weapons are semi-automatic because of the common fire / reload mechanism, doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
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Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 4:58 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 4:45 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 4:26 pm
Kismet wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 2:18 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 2:12 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 11:34 am
Typical Democratic message today: I care more about these deaths than you do.
Our troll is finally correct on something. They actually do. Or at least the vast majority of Democratic representatives care more than the vast majority of Republican ones. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/politics ... index.html
Instructive to watch grandstanding gubernatorial Democratic candidate Beto O'Rourke crash the governor's press conference as the genius Lt. Governor calls him an a-hole on national television as he orders the cops to remove him from the room.
I'm sure glad I don't live in Texas with these morons in charge.
Shameless grandstanding, staged political ploy during a very somber press conference.

He deserves to lose by a ton just for that.
Back to being wrong. It was the press conference that was political grandstanding.


*Elected* politicians are expected to host press conferences such as that as a rite of sharing grief and offering condolences. It’s civil.

...
... it's bullsh*t, just like YOU!!
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old salt wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 8:58 pm Anti-depressant drugs, covid isolation, violent video games, social media, breakdown of family structure
... is there a point??
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jhu72 wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 7:37 am
Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 4:58 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 4:45 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 4:26 pm
Kismet wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 2:18 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 2:12 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 11:34 am
Typical Democratic message today: I care more about these deaths than you do.
Our troll is finally correct on something. They actually do. Or at least the vast majority of Democratic representatives care more than the vast majority of Republican ones. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/politics ... index.html
Instructive to watch grandstanding gubernatorial Democratic candidate Beto O'Rourke crash the governor's press conference as the genius Lt. Governor calls him an a-hole on national television as he orders the cops to remove him from the room.
I'm sure glad I don't live in Texas with these morons in charge.
Shameless grandstanding, staged political ploy during a very somber press conference.

He deserves to lose by a ton just for that.
Back to being wrong. It was the press conference that was political grandstanding.


*Elected* politicians are expected to host press conferences such as that as a rite of sharing grief and offering condolences. It’s civil.

...
... it's bullsh*t, just like YOU!!


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CU88 wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 7:23 am May 24, 2022
Heather Cox Richardson
May 25

Today, a gunman murdered at least 19 children and 2 adults at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas.

For years now, after one massacre or another, I have written some version of the same article, explaining that the nation’s current gun free-for-all is not traditional but, rather, is a symptom of the takeover of our nation by a radical extremist minority. The idea that massacres are “the price of freedom,” as right-wing personality Bill O’Reilly said in 2017 after the Mandalay Bay massacre in Las Vegas, in which a gunman killed 60 people and wounded 411 others, is new, and it is about politics, not our history.

The Second Amendment to the Constitution, on which modern-day arguments for widespread gun ownership rest, is one simple sentence: “A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” There’s not a lot to go on about what the Framers meant, although in their day, to “bear arms” meant to be part of an organized militia.

As the Tennessee Supreme Court wrote in 1840, “A man in the pursuit of deer, elk, and buffaloes might carry his rifle every day for forty years, and yet it would never be said of him that he had borne arms; much less could it be said that a private citizen bears arms because he has a dirk or pistol concealed under his clothes, or a spear in a cane.”

Today’s insistence that the Second Amendment gives individuals a broad right to own guns comes from two places.

One is the establishment of the National Rifle Association in New York in 1871, in part to improve the marksmanship skills of American citizens who might be called on to fight in another war, and in part to promote in America the British sport of elite shooting, complete with hefty cash prizes in newly organized tournaments. Just a decade after the Civil War, veterans jumped at the chance to hone their former skills. Rifle clubs sprang up across the nation.

By the 1920s, rifle shooting was a popular American sport. “Riflemen” competed in the Olympics, in colleges, and in local, state, and national tournaments organized by the NRA. Being a good marksman was a source of pride, mentioned in public biographies, like being a good golfer. In 1925, when the secretary of the NRA apparently took money from ammunition and arms manufacturers, the organization tossed him out and sued him.

NRA officers insisted on the right of citizens to own rifles and handguns but worked hard to distinguish between law-abiding citizens who should have access to guns for hunting and target shooting and protection, and criminals and mentally ill people, who should not. In 1931, amid fears of bootlegger gangs, the NRA backed federal legislation to limit concealed weapons; prevent possession by criminals, the mentally ill and children; to require all dealers to be licensed; and to require background checks before delivery. It backed the 1934 National Firearms Act, and parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act, designed to stop what seemed to be America’s hurtle toward violence in that turbulent decade.

But in the mid-1970s, a faction in the NRA forced the organization away from sports and toward opposing “gun control.” It formed a political action committee (PAC) in 1975, and two years later it elected an organization president who abandoned sporting culture and focused instead on “gun rights.”

This was the second thing that led us to where we are today: leaders of the NRA embraced the politics of Movement Conservatism, the political movement that rose to combat the business regulations and social welfare programs that both Democrats and Republicans embraced after World War II. Movement Conservatives embraced the myth of the American cowboy as a white man standing against the “socialism” of the federal government as it sought to level the economic playing field between Black Americans and their white neighbors. Leaders like Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater personified the American cowboy, with his cowboy hat and opposition to government regulation, while television Westerns showed good guys putting down bad guys without the interference of the government.

In 1972, the Republican platform had called for gun control to restrict the sale of “cheap handguns,” but in 1975, as he geared up to challenge President Gerald R. Ford for the 1976 presidential nomination, Movement Conservative hero Ronald Reagan took a stand against gun control. In 1980, the Republican platform opposed the federal registration of firearms, and the NRA endorsed a presidential candidate—Reagan—for the first time.

When President Reagan took office, a new American era, dominated by Movement Conservatives, began. And the power of the NRA over American politics grew.

In 1981 a gunman trying to kill Reagan shot and paralyzed his press secretary, James Brady, and wounded Secret Service agent Tim McCarthy and police officer Thomas Delahanty. After the shooting, then-representative Charles Schumer (D-NY) introduced legislation that became known as the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, or the Brady Bill, to require background checks before gun purchases. Reagan, who was a member of the NRA, endorsed the bill, but the NRA spent millions of dollars to defeat it.

After the Brady Bill passed in 1993, the NRA paid for lawsuits in nine states to strike it down. Until 1959, every single legal article on the Second Amendment concluded that it was not intended to guarantee individuals the right to own a gun. But in the 1970s, legal scholars funded by the NRA had begun to argue that the Second Amendment did exactly that.

In 1997, when the Brady Bill cases came before the Supreme Court as Printz v. United States, the Supreme Court declared parts of the measure unconstitutional.

Now a player in national politics, the NRA was awash in money from gun and ammunition manufacturers. By 2000 it was one of the three most powerful lobbies in Washington. It spent more than $40 million on the 2008 election. In that year, the landmark Supreme Court decision of District of Columbia v. Heller struck down gun regulations and declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to keep and bear arms.

Increasingly, NRA money backed Republican candidates. In 2012 the NRA spent $9 million in the presidential election, and in 2014 it spent $13 million. Then, in 2016, it spent over $50 million on Republican candidates, including more than $30 million on Trump’s effort to win the White House. This money was vital to Trump, since many other Republican super PACs refused to back him. The NRA spent more money on Trump than any other outside group, including the leading Trump super PAC, which spent $20.3 million.

The unfettered right to own and carry weapons has come to symbolize the Republican Party’s ideology of individual liberty. Lawmakers and activists have not been able to overcome Republican insistence on gun rights despite the mass shootings that have risen since their new emphasis on guns. Even though 90% of Americans—including nearly 74% of NRA members—support background checks, Republicans have killed such legislation by filibustering it.

The NRA will hold its 2022 annual meeting this Friday in Houston. Former president Trump will speak, along with Texas governor Greg Abbott, senator Ted Cruz, and representative Dan Crenshaw; North Carolina lieutenant governor Mark Robinson; and South Dakota governor Kristi Noem—all Republicans. NRA executive vice president and chief executive officer Wayne LaPierre expressed his enthusiasm for the lineup by saying: “President Trump delivered on his promises by appointing judges who respect and value the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and in doing so helped ensure the freedom of generations of Americans.”

Tonight, President Joe Biden spoke to the nation: “Why are we willing to live with this carnage? Why do we keep letting this happen?... It’s time to turn this pain into action. For every parent, for every citizen in this country, we have to make it clear to every elected official in this country, it’s time to act.” In the Senate, Chris Murphy (D-CT) said, "I am here on this floor, to beg, to literally get down on my hands and knees and beg my colleagues....find a way to pass laws that make this less likely."

But it was Steve Kerr, the coach of the Golden State Warriors basketball team, whose father was murdered by gunmen in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1984, who best expressed the outrage of the nation. At a press conference tonight, shaking, he said, “I’m not going to talk about basketball…. Any basketball questions don’t matter…. Fourteen children were killed 400 miles from here, and a teacher, and in the last ten days we’ve had elderly Black people killed in a supermarket in Buffalo, we’ve had Asian churchgoers killed in Southern California, and now we have children murdered at school. WHEN ARE WE GONNA DO SOMETHING? I’m tired, I’m so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to the devastated families…. I’m tired of the moments of silence. Enough. There’s 50 senators…who refuse to vote on HR 8, which is a background check rule that the House passed a couple years ago…. [N]inety percent of Americans, regardless of political party, want…universal background checks…. We are being held hostage by 50 senators in Washington who refuse to even put it to a vote despite what we the American people want…because they want to hold onto their own power. It’s pathetic,” he said, walking out of the press conference.

“I’ve had enough.”



Oh great. another HCR brain trust article. I can’t wait.
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Matnum PI wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 5:49 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 5:45 pm The weird thing is I agree with Robert on some of his ideas. The difficult thing when you listen to that Twitter speech is he seems disingenuous, mildly performative...
Who cares? He could be waving his arms and slapping cymbals between his knees and I wouldn't care. The point is, Now is the time. Now.



For what, exactly? It helps if you reveal what steps you’re seeking.

‘Gun control’ is complicated.

As a conservative, I’d support (I support) defined red flag laws (not “loosely” defined red flag laws, because otherwise anyone could deny anyone their right to self defense with any flimsy accusation), no guns til 21 (as well as voting), no semi or autos til 30, violent felons no guns at all, massive sweeps of known illegal gun activity (mostly cities like Baltimore), and universal background checks at all points of sale excepting shotguns.

And of course the biggie, which is the hardest, there has to be some focus on young introverted males who evidence disturbing behavior like this kid and all the others. Not sure what to do here but it’s clearly the #1 issue.
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CU88 wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 7:27 pm MeidasTouch.com
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Why is the NRA banning guns at their event this Friday if more guns make us safer?

7:24 PM · May 25, 2022
... because they are murderous child killing cowards. Do I win a prize?
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Peter Brown wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 8:01 am
Matnum PI wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 5:49 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 5:45 pm The weird thing is I agree with Robert on some of his ideas. The difficult thing when you listen to that Twitter speech is he seems disingenuous, mildly performative...
Who cares? He could be waving his arms and slapping cymbals between his knees and I wouldn't care. The point is, Now is the time. Now.



For what, exactly? It helps if you reveal what steps you’re seeking.

‘Gun control’ is complicated.

As a conservative, I’d support (I support) defined red flag laws (not “loosely” defined red flag laws, because otherwise anyone could deny anyone their right to self defense with any flimsy accusation), no guns til 21 (as well as voting), no semi or autos til 30, violent felons no guns at all, massive sweeps of known illegal gun activity (mostly cities like Baltimore), and universal background checks at all points of sale excepting shotguns.

And of course the biggie, which is the hardest, there has to be some focus on young introverted males who evidence disturbing behavior like this kid and all the others. Not sure what to do here but it’s clearly the #1 issue.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ... what a troll? What bullsh*t? :lol: :lol:
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jhu72 wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 8:09 am
Peter Brown wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 8:01 am
Matnum PI wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 5:49 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 5:45 pm The weird thing is I agree with Robert on some of his ideas. The difficult thing when you listen to that Twitter speech is he seems disingenuous, mildly performative...
Who cares? He could be waving his arms and slapping cymbals between his knees and I wouldn't care. The point is, Now is the time. Now.



For what, exactly? It helps if you reveal what steps you’re seeking.

‘Gun control’ is complicated.

As a conservative, I’d support (I support) defined red flag laws (not “loosely” defined red flag laws, because otherwise anyone could deny anyone their right to self defense with any flimsy accusation), no guns til 21 (as well as voting), no semi or autos til 30, violent felons no guns at all, massive sweeps of known illegal gun activity (mostly cities like Baltimore), and universal background checks at all points of sale excepting shotguns.

And of course the biggie, which is the hardest, there has to be some focus on young introverted males who evidence disturbing behavior like this kid and all the others. Not sure what to do here but it’s clearly the #1 issue.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ... what a troll? What bullsh*t? :lol: :lol:



a little less coffee in the morning might go a long way for you

just sayin’
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Re: Sensible Gun Control

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Peter Brown wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 8:21 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 8:09 am
Peter Brown wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 8:01 am
Matnum PI wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 5:49 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 5:45 pm The weird thing is I agree with Robert on some of his ideas. The difficult thing when you listen to that Twitter speech is he seems disingenuous, mildly performative...
Who cares? He could be waving his arms and slapping cymbals between his knees and I wouldn't care. The point is, Now is the time. Now.



For what, exactly? It helps if you reveal what steps you’re seeking.

‘Gun control’ is complicated.

As a conservative, I’d support (I support) defined red flag laws (not “loosely” defined red flag laws, because otherwise anyone could deny anyone their right to self defense with any flimsy accusation), no guns til 21 (as well as voting), no semi or autos til 30, violent felons no guns at all, massive sweeps of known illegal gun activity (mostly cities like Baltimore), and universal background checks at all points of sale excepting shotguns.

And of course the biggie, which is the hardest, there has to be some focus on young introverted males who evidence disturbing behavior like this kid and all the others. Not sure what to do here but it’s clearly the #1 issue.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ... what a troll? What bullsh*t? :lol: :lol:



a little less coffee in the morning might go a long way for you

just sayin’
.. don't drink coffee or any other caffeine delivery solution. Not deflected by bulls*t either.
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