B1G/Ivy > ACC

[Gobigred]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

It's a backlash against the strident hyping done by certain ESPN announcers and their double standards. Yes, this was a down year for the ACC, not a permanent shift.

Also frustration that the lax mafia will ALWAYS "know" that no matter what happens on the field, the traditional southern powerhouses (and now Syracuse and ND, now that they are ACC) are the best. This attitude is as strong now as it was before the national championship was settled on the field, and undefeated Cornell was picked as the fourth best team in the final vote. I know someone can supply the accurate quote, but Richie Moran, after winning the NC on the field, said something like 'maybe we will make the top 3 in the vote.'

That was 1971. Lacrosse's so-called cognoscenti back then were saying "the real championship game is the Maryland-Navy semifinal." Actual outcome? As the title of Christian Swezey's book says, We Showed Baltimore. Deja vu.

According to the Sports Illustrated article, Richie said: "Do you think they'll rank us as high as third?"

So basically this all boils down to Ivy League feeling like they’ve been slighted in the past. I don’t really understand the conference comradely. I root for my team not my conference.

Not so much that. It reflects the historical "Baltimore" bias that only Hopkins, Maryland, Navy or Virginia could possibly be worthy of being voted national champion back in the USILA era. That thinking now seems to have morphed to include the ACC plus Maryland and, until recently, Hopkins, as the "legitimate" contenders.

[masondixonlax]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

It's a backlash against the strident hyping done by certain ESPN announcers and their double standards. Yes, this was a down year for the ACC, not a permanent shift.

Also frustration that the lax mafia will ALWAYS "know" that no matter what happens on the field, the traditional southern powerhouses (and now Syracuse and ND, now that they are ACC) are the best. This attitude is as strong now as it was before the national championship was settled on the field, and undefeated Cornell was picked as the fourth best team in the final vote. I know someone can supply the accurate quote, but Richie Moran, after winning the NC on the field, said something like 'maybe we will make the top 3 in the vote.'

That was 1971. Lacrosse's so-called cognoscenti back then were saying "the real championship game is the Maryland-Navy semifinal." Actual outcome? As the title of Christian Swezey's book says, We Showed Baltimore. Deja vu.

According to the Sports Illustrated article, Richie said: "Do you think they'll rank us as high as third?"

So basically this all boils down to Ivy League feeling like they’ve been slighted in the past. I don’t really understand the conference comradely. I root for my team not my conference.

Not so much that. It reflects the historical "Baltimore" bias that only Hopkins, Maryland, Navy or Virginia could possibly be worthy of being voted national champion back in the USILA era. That thinking now seems to have morphed to include the ACC plus Maryland and, until recently, Hopkins, as the "legitimate" contenders.

Funny you left out the factual part of my argument about ACC having 14 NCAA chips compared to Ivies over last 20 years

[RedIvy]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

It's a backlash against the strident hyping done by certain ESPN announcers and their double standards. Yes, this was a down year for the ACC, not a permanent shift.

Also frustration that the lax mafia will ALWAYS "know" that no matter what happens on the field, the traditional southern powerhouses (and now Syracuse and ND, now that they are ACC) are the best. This attitude is as strong now as it was before the national championship was settled on the field, and undefeated Cornell was picked as the fourth best team in the final vote. I know someone can supply the accurate quote, but Richie Moran, after winning the NC on the field, said something like 'maybe we will make the top 3 in the vote.'

That was 1971. Lacrosse's so-called cognoscenti back then were saying "the real championship game is the Maryland-Navy semifinal." Actual outcome? As the title of Christian Swezey's book says, We Showed Baltimore. Deja vu.

According to the Sports Illustrated article, Richie said: "Do you think they'll rank us as high as third?"

So basically this all boils down to Ivy League feeling like they’ve been slighted in the past. I don’t really understand the conference comradely. I root for my team not my conference.

Not so much that. It reflects the historical "Baltimore" bias that only Hopkins, Maryland, Navy or Virginia could possibly be worthy of being voted national champion back in the USILA era. That thinking now seems to have morphed to include the ACC plus Maryland and, until recently, Hopkins, as the "legitimate" contenders.

Funny you left out the factual part of my argument about ACC having 14 NCAA chips compared to Ivies over last 20 years

This is exactly the issue. It’s not about the last 20 years it’s about 2022 now and every individual year after. While program history helps recruiting and other benefits it’s all about the current years results and the ACC did not perform in 2022.

[masondixonlax]

This is exactly the issue. It’s not about the last 20 years it’s about 2022 now and every individual year after. While program history helps recruiting and other benefits it’s all about the current years results and the ACC did not perform in 2022.
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Completely agree. Just elaborating on why there is bias present.

[lorin]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

It's a backlash against the strident hyping done by certain ESPN announcers and their double standards. Yes, this was a down year for the ACC, not a permanent shift.

Also frustration that the lax mafia will ALWAYS "know" that no matter what happens on the field, the traditional southern powerhouses (and now Syracuse and ND, now that they are ACC) are the best. This attitude is as strong now as it was before the national championship was settled on the field, and undefeated Cornell was picked as the fourth best team in the final vote. I know someone can supply the accurate quote, but Richie Moran, after winning the NC on the field, said something like 'maybe we will make the top 3 in the vote.'

That was 1971. Lacrosse's so-called cognoscenti back then were saying "the real championship game is the Maryland-Navy semifinal." Actual outcome? As the title of Christian Swezey's book says, We Showed Baltimore. Deja vu.

According to the Sports Illustrated article, Richie said: "Do you think they'll rank us as high as third?"

So basically this all boils down to Ivy League feeling like they’ve been slighted in the past. I don’t really understand the conference comradely. I root for my team not my conference.

Not so much that. It reflects the historical "Baltimore" bias that only Hopkins, Maryland, Navy or Virginia could possibly be worthy of being voted national champion back in the USILA era. That thinking now seems to have morphed to include the ACC plus Maryland and, until recently, Hopkins, as the "legitimate" contenders.

Funny you left out the factual part of my argument about ACC having 14 NCAA chips compared to Ivies over last 20 years

This year Duke, ND, UNC combined had 10 of the top 20 rank recruits. How did that work out.

[DMac]

Ridiculous argument 'dixon', and it is about the last 20 years or why bring up the 14 chips?
Fact of the matter is the ACC has been a mighty tough and powerful conference for quite
a number of years. Good year for the "haters" to knock 'em as it was a tough year for the
ACC but only a fool would count 'em out. Yup, as time goes on and more and more talented
players are spread across different conferences the landscape will change, but the ACC is far
from dead, that you can bet on.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Ridiculous argument 'dixon', and it is about the last 20 years or why bring up the 14 chips?
Fact of the matter is the ACC has been a mighty tough and powerful conference for quite
a number of years. Good year for the "haters" to knock 'em as it was a tough year for the
ACC but only a fool would count 'em out. Yup, as time goes on and more and more talented
players are spread across different conferences the landscape will change, but the ACC is far
from dead, that you can bet on.

ACC is a strong athletic conference. 2022 was a down year for lacrosse. I think the blowback is because the talking heads believe ND and Duke were cheated out of a tournament appearance. Saw some Duke lacrosse parents on Saturday. They didn’t think it was a great season. ACC will be fine next season and Syracuse will bounce back quickly. Reinforcements arriving and Hiltz will be back. Anyone that thinks the ACC is dead isn’t being realistic. Dead this year….but seasons, like games, are one at a time.

[Chousnake]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

It's a backlash against the strident hyping done by certain ESPN announcers and their double standards. Yes, this was a down year for the ACC, not a permanent shift.

Also frustration that the lax mafia will ALWAYS "know" that no matter what happens on the field, the traditional southern powerhouses (and now Syracuse and ND, now that they are ACC) are the best. This attitude is as strong now as it was before the national championship was settled on the field, and undefeated Cornell was picked as the fourth best team in the final vote. I know someone can supply the accurate quote, but Richie Moran, after winning the NC on the field, said something like 'maybe we will make the top 3 in the vote.'

That was 1971. Lacrosse's so-called cognoscenti back then were saying "the real championship game is the Maryland-Navy semifinal." Actual outcome? As the title of Christian Swezey's book says, We Showed Baltimore. Deja vu.

According to the Sports Illustrated article, Richie said: "Do you think they'll rank us as high as third?"

So basically this all boils down to Ivy League feeling like they’ve been slighted in the past. I don’t really understand the conference comradely. I root for my team not my conference.

Not so much that. It reflects the historical "Baltimore" bias that only Hopkins, Maryland, Navy or Virginia could possibly be worthy of being voted national champion back in the USILA era. That thinking now seems to have morphed to include the ACC plus Maryland and, until recently, Hopkins, as the "legitimate" contenders.

Funny you left out the factual part of my argument about ACC having 14 NCAA chips compared to Ivies over last 20 years

Are you counting Syracuse's history as an independent before 2010 ? Syracuse has never won a title as a member of the ACC.....

[HopFan16]

Good year for the "haters" to knock 'em as it was a tough year for the
ACC but only a fool would count 'em out.

Anyone that thinks the ACC is dead isn’t being realistic.

No one is saying either of these things

[Gobigred]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

It's a backlash against the strident hyping done by certain ESPN announcers and their double standards. Yes, this was a down year for the ACC, not a permanent shift.

Also frustration that the lax mafia will ALWAYS "know" that no matter what happens on the field, the traditional southern powerhouses (and now Syracuse and ND, now that they are ACC) are the best. This attitude is as strong now as it was before the national championship was settled on the field, and undefeated Cornell was picked as the fourth best team in the final vote. I know someone can supply the accurate quote, but Richie Moran, after winning the NC on the field, said something like 'maybe we will make the top 3 in the vote.'

That was 1971. Lacrosse's so-called cognoscenti back then were saying "the real championship game is the Maryland-Navy semifinal." Actual outcome? As the title of Christian Swezey's book says, We Showed Baltimore. Deja vu.

According to the Sports Illustrated article, Richie said: "Do you think they'll rank us as high as third?"

So basically this all boils down to Ivy League feeling like they’ve been slighted in the past. I don’t really understand the conference comradely. I root for my team not my conference.

Not so much that. It reflects the historical "Baltimore" bias that only Hopkins, Maryland, Navy or Virginia could possibly be worthy of being voted national champion back in the USILA era. That thinking now seems to have morphed to include the ACC plus Maryland and, until recently, Hopkins, as the "legitimate" contenders.

Funny you left out the factual part of my argument about ACC having 14 NCAA chips compared to Ivies over last 20 years

That's not the point. Facts are facts, and ACC teams have performed well in this century. But the results of each season should be looked at on on their merits. This season Virginia performed to be an eight seed or the best unseeded team, and that's where they wound up in the brackets. No reason, from looking at their season's record, that their quarterfinal with Maryland should have been touted as the "de facto national championship game."

[Chousnake]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

It's a backlash against the strident hyping done by certain ESPN announcers and their double standards. Yes, this was a down year for the ACC, not a permanent shift.

Also frustration that the lax mafia will ALWAYS "know" that no matter what happens on the field, the traditional southern powerhouses (and now Syracuse and ND, now that they are ACC) are the best. This attitude is as strong now as it was before the national championship was settled on the field, and undefeated Cornell was picked as the fourth best team in the final vote. I know someone can supply the accurate quote, but Richie Moran, after winning the NC on the field, said something like 'maybe we will make the top 3 in the vote.'

That was 1971. Lacrosse's so-called cognoscenti back then were saying "the real championship game is the Maryland-Navy semifinal." Actual outcome? As the title of Christian Swezey's book says, We Showed Baltimore. Deja vu.

According to the Sports Illustrated article, Richie said: "Do you think they'll rank us as high as third?"

So basically this all boils down to Ivy League feeling like they’ve been slighted in the past. I don’t really understand the conference comradely. I root for my team not my conference.

Not so much that. It reflects the historical "Baltimore" bias that only Hopkins, Maryland, Navy or Virginia could possibly be worthy of being voted national champion back in the USILA era. That thinking now seems to have morphed to include the ACC plus Maryland and, until recently, Hopkins, as the "legitimate" contenders.

Funny you left out the factual part of my argument about ACC having 14 NCAA chips compared to Ivies over last 20 years

Also funny how you went back 20 years to leave out Princeton's dominance of the 90s. If you go back 30 years and actually put teams in the conference they played in when they won the titles it tells a different story:

ACC - 10 titles
Independent - 9 titles
Ivy - 7 titles
Big East -1 title
Big 10 - 1 title
Patriot - 1 title

[10stone5]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

It's a backlash against the strident hyping done by certain ESPN announcers and their double standards. Yes, this was a down year for the ACC, not a permanent shift.

Also frustration that the lax mafia will ALWAYS "know" that no matter what happens on the field, the traditional southern powerhouses (and now Syracuse and ND, now that they are ACC) are the best. This attitude is as strong now as it was before the national championship was settled on the field, and undefeated Cornell was picked as the fourth best team in the final vote. I know someone can supply the accurate quote, but Richie Moran, after winning the NC on the field, said something like 'maybe we will make the top 3 in the vote.'

That was 1971. Lacrosse's so-called cognoscenti back then were saying "the real championship game is the Maryland-Navy semifinal." Actual outcome? As the title of Christian Swezey's book says, We Showed Baltimore. Deja vu.

According to the Sports Illustrated article, Richie said: "Do you think they'll rank us as high as third?"

So basically this all boils down to Ivy League feeling like they’ve been slighted in the past. I don’t really understand the conference comradely. I root for my team not my conference.

Not so much that. It reflects the historical "Baltimore" bias that only Hopkins, Maryland, Navy or Virginia could possibly be worthy of being voted national champion back in the USILA era. That thinking now seems to have morphed to include the ACC plus Maryland and, until recently, Hopkins, as the "legitimate" contenders.

Funny you left out the factual part of my argument about ACC having 14 NCAA chips compared to Ivies over last 20 years

Also funny how you went back 20 years to leave out Princeton's dominance of the 90s. If you go back 30 years and actually put teams in the conference they played in when they won the titles it tells a different story:

ACC - 10 titles
Big East - 8 titles
Ivy - 7 titles
Independent - 2 titles
Big 10 - 1 title
Other - 1 title

Oh Noes,

poor Loyola is an ‘Other’

where’s PB ?

[Chousnake]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

It's a backlash against the strident hyping done by certain ESPN announcers and their double standards. Yes, this was a down year for the ACC, not a permanent shift.

Also frustration that the lax mafia will ALWAYS "know" that no matter what happens on the field, the traditional southern powerhouses (and now Syracuse and ND, now that they are ACC) are the best. This attitude is as strong now as it was before the national championship was settled on the field, and undefeated Cornell was picked as the fourth best team in the final vote. I know someone can supply the accurate quote, but Richie Moran, after winning the NC on the field, said something like 'maybe we will make the top 3 in the vote.'

That was 1971. Lacrosse's so-called cognoscenti back then were saying "the real championship game is the Maryland-Navy semifinal." Actual outcome? As the title of Christian Swezey's book says, We Showed Baltimore. Deja vu.

According to the Sports Illustrated article, Richie said: "Do you think they'll rank us as high as third?"

So basically this all boils down to Ivy League feeling like they’ve been slighted in the past. I don’t really understand the conference comradely. I root for my team not my conference.

Not so much that. It reflects the historical "Baltimore" bias that only Hopkins, Maryland, Navy or Virginia could possibly be worthy of being voted national champion back in the USILA era. That thinking now seems to have morphed to include the ACC plus Maryland and, until recently, Hopkins, as the "legitimate" contenders.

Funny you left out the factual part of my argument about ACC having 14 NCAA chips compared to Ivies over last 20 years

Also funny how you went back 20 years to leave out Princeton's dominance of the 90s. If you go back 30 years and actually put teams in the conference they played in when they won the titles it tells a different story:

ACC - 10 titles
Big East - 8 titles
Ivy - 7 titles
Independent - 2 titles
Big 10 - 1 title
Patriot - 1 title

Oh Noes,

poor Loyola is an ‘Other’

where’s PB ?

I corrected it. The Big East lax conference wasn't formed until 2010. I moved Syracuse's titles to independent.

And if you go back to 1971 ( the first official NCAA tourney)

Independent - 18 titles
ACC- 17 titles
Ivy - 10 titles
Big 10 - 1 title
Big East - 1 title
Patriot - 1 title

[stupefied]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

Congrats to Maryland for blowing out the third best team in ACC . Duke and ND would likely be facing each other for third time in FF if on other side of Maryland bracket . Duke wouldn't have beat Duke but a physical Irish team that had hit its stride would have given Maryland a game again, Princeton last hope as Rutgers and Cornell are several notches below Maryland

[FannOLax]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

Congrats to Maryland for blowing out the third best team in ACC . Duke and ND would likely be facing each other for third time in FF if on other side of Maryland bracket . Duke wouldn't have beat Duke but a physical Irish team that had hit its stride would have given Maryland a game again, Princeton last hope as Rutgers and Cornell are several notches below Maryland

I guess we agree on one thing: Duke wouldn't have beat Duke.

[renault]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

Congrats to Maryland for blowing out the third best team in ACC . Duke and ND would likely be facing each other for third time in FF if on other side of Maryland bracket . Duke wouldn't have beat Duke but a physical Irish team that had hit its stride would have given Maryland a game again, Princeton last hope as Rutgers and Cornell are several notches below Maryland

Such a shame that the 2nd best team in the ACC couldn't even beat Penn, or Jacksonville, or Loyola (lol), or Syracuse (LOL).

[jrn19]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

Congrats to Maryland for blowing out the third best team in ACC . Duke and ND would likely be facing each other for third time in FF if on other side of Maryland bracket . Duke wouldn't have beat Duke but a physical Irish team that had hit its stride would have given Maryland a game again, Princeton last hope as Rutgers and Cornell are several notches below Maryland

So now that they got blown out by MD (again), UVA is the 3rd best team in the ACC? Even though they beat ND and went 5-1 in the league? Whereas Duke went 3-3 and lost to an atrocious Cuse team? And ND lost to all the good teams they played this year?

There’s always an excuse. Just win your games

[10stone5]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

Congrats to Maryland for blowing out the third best team in ACC . Duke and ND would likely be facing each other for third time in FF if on other side of Maryland bracket . Duke wouldn't have beat Duke but a physical Irish team that had hit its stride would have given Maryland a game again, Princeton last hope as Rutgers and Cornell are several notches below Maryland

Great satire

[stupefied]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

Congrats to Maryland for blowing out the third best team in ACC . Duke and ND would likely be facing each other for third time in FF if on other side of Maryland bracket . Duke wouldn't have beat Duke but a physical Irish team that had hit its stride would have given Maryland a game again, Princeton last hope as Rutgers and Cornell are several notches below Maryland

So now that they got blown out by MD (again), UVA is the 3rd best team in the ACC? Even though they beat ND and went 5-1 in the league? Whereas Duke went 3-3 and lost to an atrocious Cuse team? And ND lost to all the good teams they played this year?

There’s always an excuse. Just win your games

Ah Jake , been saying for several weeks that UVA was third best acc team . Same state as Duke last year and UNC this year , spotty play unworthy of lofty status despite fanciful record .

Did you not watch Duke totally dismantle UVA in the same fashion that Maryland did ?. ND and Duke were two very strong teams at season end . Ill leave the asterisk off upcoming Maryland's title because they are a superb team that very likely would win against anyone but any honest observer will admit that ND was screwed and a Maryland ND rematch would have been a most competitive game .

[random observer]

So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

Congrats to Maryland for blowing out the third best team in ACC . Duke and ND would likely be facing each other for third time in FF if on other side of Maryland bracket . Duke wouldn't have beat Duke but a physical Irish team that had hit its stride would have given Maryland a game again, Princeton last hope as Rutgers and Cornell are several notches below Maryland

So now that they got blown out by MD (again), UVA is the 3rd best team in the ACC? Even though they beat ND and went 5-1 in the league? Whereas Duke went 3-3 and lost to an atrocious Cuse team? And ND lost to all the good teams they played this year?

There’s always an excuse. Just win your games

Ah Jake , been saying for several weeks that UVA was third best acc team . Same state as Duke last year and UNC this year , spotty play unworthy of lofty status despite fanciful record .

Did you not watch Duke totally dismantle UVA in the same fashion that Maryland did ?. ND and Duke were two very strong teams at season end . Ill leave the asterisk off upcoming Maryland's title because they are a superb team that very likely would win against anyone but any honest observer will admit that ND was screwed and a Maryland ND rematch would have been a most competitive game .

Duke dismantles UVA every year. It's just a big monkey on the Cavs back that they've yet to fully shake off. It's one data point that is overwritten by the fact that they played poorly against pretty much everyone else.

I would have put ND in the field over Harvard, but Rutgers would have beaten them too. And if by some chance ND were to run into Maryland they'd have gotten squashed this time; Entenmann's heroics covered up that the Irish defense was pretty bad down the stretch. The sharpshooting Terps would have carved them up in a rematch.