Sensible Gun Safety

[a fan]

The Tops security guard who was killed was a retired Buffalo police officer.

Apparently his handgun was no match for body armor suspect was wearing.

Like all past tragedies, nothing will change as a result of this one either.

Acquired at “some gun store”

The real tragedy is that this loser had been exhibiting signs of being mentally ill for some time. Wore a hazmat suit to high school for a week. Had a psych eval and yet was allowed to buy guns. The system let these people down, not just the gun dealer, but the "therapy" community. Why aren't there places anymore where they can't hurt others or themselves? Because psychiatric hospitals are cruel? Tell that to the victim's families.

We should tell the security guards family that he and the other victims aren’t the real tragedy. They clearly don’t understand the world.

Would it have been better that this kook never got his guns or that he killed a couple of people before the security guard took him out? I'm saying it could have been avoided. I'm a 2A supporter, but you do recall that Cruz, the Parkland shooter had more than a few interactions with law enforcement, yet was still able to kill 17 people. Policies were in place to be more lenient with troubled students to avoid the negativity of more realistic charges, like assault, that were considered to negatively affect the future of the offender. Dylan Roof got his guns because the FBI effed up his background check. If he had been committed to a safe facility it never would have happened.

We spend nothing on mental health in America. Zippo. This part is fixable, but it needs bipartisan support to happen. Our entire mental health infrastructure is Lucy with her cardboard stand, offering help to Charlie Brown.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The Tops security guard who was killed was a retired Buffalo police officer.

Apparently his handgun was no match for body armor suspect was wearing.

Like all past tragedies, nothing will change as a result of this one either.

Acquired at “some gun store”

The real tragedy is that this loser had been exhibiting signs of being mentally ill for some time. Wore a hazmat suit to high school for a week. Had a psych eval and yet was allowed to buy guns. The system let these people down, not just the gun dealer, but the "therapy" community. Why aren't there places anymore where they can't hurt others or themselves? Because psychiatric hospitals are cruel? Tell that to the victim's families.

We should tell the security guards family that he and the other victims aren’t the real tragedy. They clearly don’t understand the world.

Would it have been better that this kook never got his guns or that he killed a couple of people before the security guard took him out? I'm saying it could have been avoided. I'm a 2A supporter, but you do recall that Cruz, the Parkland shooter had more than a few interactions with law enforcement, yet was still able to kill 17 people. Policies were in place to be more lenient with troubled students to avoid the negativity of more realistic charges, like assault, that were considered to negatively affect the future of the offender. Dylan Roof got his guns because the FBI effed up his background check. If he had been committed to a safe facility it never would have happened.

I keep it simple. Dylann Roof killed those people because he was racist. And so did this clown in Buffalo. You are free to believe other wise.

[get it to x]

The Tops security guard who was killed was a retired Buffalo police officer.

Apparently his handgun was no match for body armor suspect was wearing.

Like all past tragedies, nothing will change as a result of this one either.

Acquired at “some gun store”

The real tragedy is that this loser had been exhibiting signs of being mentally ill for some time. Wore a hazmat suit to high school for a week. Had a psych eval and yet was allowed to buy guns. The system let these people down, not just the gun dealer, but the "therapy" community. Why aren't there places anymore where they can't hurt others or themselves? Because psychiatric hospitals are cruel? Tell that to the victim's families.

We should tell the security guards family that he and the other victims aren’t the real tragedy. They clearly don’t understand the world.

Would it have been better that this kook never got his guns or that he killed a couple of people before the security guard took him out? I'm saying it could have been avoided. I'm a 2A supporter, but you do recall that Cruz, the Parkland shooter had more than a few interactions with law enforcement, yet was still able to kill 17 people. Policies were in place to be more lenient with troubled students to avoid the negativity of more realistic charges, like assault, that were considered to negatively affect the future of the offender. Dylan Roof got his guns because the FBI effed up his background check. If he had been committed to a safe facility it never would have happened.

I keep it simple. Dylann Roof killed those people because he was racist. And so did this clown in Buffalo. You are free to believe other wise.

Of course they were racist, but also psychotic. To ignore that is just, well, ignorant.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The Tops security guard who was killed was a retired Buffalo police officer.

Apparently his handgun was no match for body armor suspect was wearing.

Like all past tragedies, nothing will change as a result of this one either.

Acquired at “some gun store”

The real tragedy is that this loser had been exhibiting signs of being mentally ill for some time. Wore a hazmat suit to high school for a week. Had a psych eval and yet was allowed to buy guns. The system let these people down, not just the gun dealer, but the "therapy" community. Why aren't there places anymore where they can't hurt others or themselves? Because psychiatric hospitals are cruel? Tell that to the victim's families.

We should tell the security guards family that he and the other victims aren’t the real tragedy. They clearly don’t understand the world.

Would it have been better that this kook never got his guns or that he killed a couple of people before the security guard took him out? I'm saying it could have been avoided. I'm a 2A supporter, but you do recall that Cruz, the Parkland shooter had more than a few interactions with law enforcement, yet was still able to kill 17 people. Policies were in place to be more lenient with troubled students to avoid the negativity of more realistic charges, like assault, that were considered to negatively affect the future of the offender. Dylan Roof got his guns because the FBI effed up his background check. If he had been committed to a safe facility it never would have happened.

I keep it simple. Dylann Roof killed those people because he was racist. And so did this clown in Buffalo. You are free to believe other wise.

Of course they were racist, but also psychotic. To ignore that is just, well, ignorant.

Un huh. Just being clear. Plenty of psychotic folk ain’t racist. But hey, black people should stop killing black people instead of playing the victim.

[ardilla secreta]

At the time of the shooting I was at a Wegmans in Buffalo. A market with nice racial diversity and a nice mix of immigrants, but I was apparently safe this time because it just didn’t have the needed percentage of black people for him to destroy like the one he went to on the Eastside. The gunman and his peers who buy into their manifesto would seem to be in need of a little education. Perhaps a class in CRT would do them good.

I sure would like to know if his parents gave him some spending money as he took off in their car for Buffalo. Were they still in bed as he packed his helmet, armor and guns in their car or did they give him a hand and a PB&J? How does this screwed up kid acquire all theses tools for killing without red flags waving?

[cradleandshoot]

At the time of the shooting I was at a Wegmans in Buffalo. A market with nice racial diversity and a nice mix of immigrants, but I was apparently safe this time because it just didn’t have the needed percentage of black people for him to destroy like the one he went to on the Eastside. The gunman and his peers who buy into their manifesto would seem to be in need of a little education. Perhaps a class in CRT would do them good.

I sure would like to know if his parents gave him some spending money as he took off in their car for Buffalo. Were they still in bed as he packed his helmet, armor and guns in their car or did they give him a hand and a PB&J? How does this screwed up kid acquire all theses tools for killing without red flags waving?

All good questions. I am betting the attorney that will wind up defending this individual is lining up his/her ducks in a row the claim an insanity defense. I need to say something else about this but it is not the right time to point it out.

[cradleandshoot]

At the time of the shooting I was at a Wegmans in Buffalo. A market with nice racial diversity and a nice mix of immigrants, but I was apparently safe this time because it just didn’t have the needed percentage of black people for him to destroy like the one he went to on the Eastside. The gunman and his peers who buy into their manifesto would seem to be in need of a little education. Perhaps a class in CRT would do them good.

I sure would like to know if his parents gave him some spending money as he took off in their car for Buffalo. Were they still in bed as he packed his helmet, armor and guns in their car or did they give him a hand and a PB&J? How does this screwed up kid acquire all theses tools for killing without red flags waving?

You prefer Wegmans over Tops??? I do, I have a Tops Market just down the street. FTR, the Wegmans and Tops we shop at are an equal mix of all the neighborhoods they serve. How that matters i have NO idea. When a crazed lunatic chooses to kill, they look for the targets that mean something to their warped minds.

[ggait]

Honest question out the the hunters and vets on this forum.

This obviously crazy kid shot 13 people in maybe two minutes, killing 10. The supermarket shooter out here in Boulder a year ago, IIRC, shot 10 and killed them all. Could an amateur shooter get nearly that high a kill percentage if they were using some type of weapon other than a MSSA? I'd doubt these crazy guys are marksmen able to hit the specific lethal spots on their victims.

A lot of the discussion has been about the large magazines (enabling a lot of shots in a short time period). But it seems like the velocity and type of ammo coming out of a MSSA make just about any shot that connects extremely lethal.

Am I right about that?

[NattyBohChamps04]

Honest question out the the hunters and vets on this forum.

This obviously crazy kid shot 13 people in maybe two minutes, killing 10. The supermarket shooter out here in Boulder a year ago, IIRC, shot 10 and killed them all. Could an amateur shooter get nearly that high a kill percentage if they were using some type of weapon other than a MSSA? I'd doubt these crazy guys are marksmen able to hit the specific lethal spots on their victims.

A lot of the discussion has been about the large magazines (enabling a lot of shots in a short time period). But it seems like the velocity and type of ammo coming out of a MSSA make just about any shot that connects extremely lethal.

Am I right about that?

From reading people's accounts but not watching his live streaming, he had done a lot of research into his attack. He shot a lot of people within a few seconds of stepping out of his car and going into the store. He tried to kill anyone he previously injured with a shot to the head. Police arrived within a minute of getting a call. His ability to kill that many people in a such a short period of time was very independent of his weapon and caliber of choice, but rather his tactics.

Good guy with a gun didn't do anything against his plates. Mainstream Republican radicalization with easy access to credit cards and any guns is much more important than caliber or specific gun. You even limit him to handguns and shotguns and he does the same damage and murder.

[Seacoaster(1)]

Houston yesterday? Another in California? Why oh why......

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1525932522865049601

https://twitter.com/David_J_Koch/status ... 0688949248

https://twitter.com/IKnowYouAreBut3/sta ... 8508363776

[CU88]

Where's the outrage about 'grooming' teenagers to be racist mass murderers?

[Seacoaster(1)]

Where's the outrage about 'grooming' teenagers to be racist mass murderers?

Merry Christmas!!!

https://twitter.com/repthomasmassie/sta ... 3127422979

[Typical Lax Dad]

Where's the outrage about 'grooming' teenagers to be racist mass murderers?

The issue is folks want to have the right to not have what they teach at home undone and influenced by facts.

[SCLaxAttack]

At the time of the shooting I was at a Wegmans in Buffalo. A market with nice racial diversity and a nice mix of immigrants, but I was apparently safe this time because it just didn’t have the needed percentage of black people for him to destroy like the one he went to on the Eastside. The gunman and his peers who buy into their manifesto would seem to be in need of a little education. Perhaps a class in CRT would do them good.

I sure would like to know if his parents gave him some spending money as he took off in their car for Buffalo. Were they still in bed as he packed his helmet, armor and guns in their car or did they give him a hand and a PB&J? How does this screwed up kid acquire all theses tools for killing without red flags waving?

You prefer Wegmans over Tops??? I do, I have a Tops Market just down the street. FTR, the Wegmans and Tops we shop at are an equal mix of all the neighborhoods they serve. How that matters i have NO idea. When a crazed lunatic chooses to kill, they look for the targets that mean something to their warped minds.

That they do. In this guy's sick mind there was only one supermarket to pick. Evidently he researched high minority zip codes within driving distance and, surprise surprise, the zip code picked happens to be a food desert with only Tops servicing it.

[cradleandshoot]

At the time of the shooting I was at a Wegmans in Buffalo. A market with nice racial diversity and a nice mix of immigrants, but I was apparently safe this time because it just didn’t have the needed percentage of black people for him to destroy like the one he went to on the Eastside. The gunman and his peers who buy into their manifesto would seem to be in need of a little education. Perhaps a class in CRT would do them good.

I sure would like to know if his parents gave him some spending money as he took off in their car for Buffalo. Were they still in bed as he packed his helmet, armor and guns in their car or did they give him a hand and a PB&J? How does this screwed up kid acquire all theses tools for killing without red flags waving?

You prefer Wegmans over Tops??? I do, I have a Tops Market just down the street. FTR, the Wegmans and Tops we shop at are an equal mix of all the neighborhoods they serve. How that matters i have NO idea. When a crazed lunatic chooses to kill, they look for the targets that mean something to their warped minds.

That they do. In this guy's sick mind there was only one supermarket to pick. Evidently he researched high minority zip codes within driving distance and, surprise surprise, the zip code picked happens to be a food desert with only Tops servicing it.

According to the local Rochester NY media the shooter originally targeted the Tops Store on West Ave in Rochester. Target # 2 was the Tops Market on Upper Falls Blvd. Directly across the street from Coca Cola where I worked before Covid. I knew the manager of that Tops Supermarket fairly well. If this is the new normal then we are all screwed. There is one thing I have not heard a word about. The SAFE ACT in NYS was King Andy's knee jerk reaction to stop this sort of senseless murder. Was this scumbag able to purchase his weapons in NYS even with the SAFE ACT in place???

[ardilla secreta]

At the time of the shooting I was at a Wegmans in Buffalo. A market with nice racial diversity and a nice mix of immigrants, but I was apparently safe this time because it just didn’t have the needed percentage of black people for him to destroy like the one he went to on the Eastside. The gunman and his peers who buy into their manifesto would seem to be in need of a little education. Perhaps a class in CRT would do them good.

I sure would like to know if his parents gave him some spending money as he took off in their car for Buffalo. Were they still in bed as he packed his helmet, armor and guns in their car or did they give him a hand and a PB&J? How does this screwed up kid acquire all theses tools for killing without red flags waving?

You prefer Wegmans over Tops??? I do, I have a Tops Market just down the street. FTR, the Wegmans and Tops we shop at are an equal mix of all the neighborhoods they serve. How that matters i have NO idea. When a crazed lunatic chooses to kill, they look for the targets that mean something to their warped minds.

Tops is an ok mainstream market that’s at least making efforts to modernize. Wegmans is simply one of the best supermarket chains in the country. While Rochester based Wegmans has a bunch of neighborhood stores in Upstate NY, their new growth stores are exclusively in high income areas. When approached, Wegmans showed no interest in putting a store where’s the shooting took place or even a scaled down store in downtown where there has been rapid growth. Buffalo city leaders lobbied hard and Tops finally came through. This Jefferson St store is on a commercial strip that seen some improvement and investment. I drive through there occasionally and it’s definitely seeing some degree of improvement.

[cradleandshoot]

At the time of the shooting I was at a Wegmans in Buffalo. A market with nice racial diversity and a nice mix of immigrants, but I was apparently safe this time because it just didn’t have the needed percentage of black people for him to destroy like the one he went to on the Eastside. The gunman and his peers who buy into their manifesto would seem to be in need of a little education. Perhaps a class in CRT would do them good.

I sure would like to know if his parents gave him some spending money as he took off in their car for Buffalo. Were they still in bed as he packed his helmet, armor and guns in their car or did they give him a hand and a PB&J? How does this screwed up kid acquire all theses tools for killing without red flags waving?

You prefer Wegmans over Tops??? I do, I have a Tops Market just down the street. FTR, the Wegmans and Tops we shop at are an equal mix of all the neighborhoods they serve. How that matters i have NO idea. When a crazed lunatic chooses to kill, they look for the targets that mean something to their warped minds.

Tops is an ok mainstream market that’s at least making efforts to modernize. Wegmans is simply one of the best supermarket chains in the country. While Rochester based Wegmans has a bunch of neighborhood stores in Upstate NY, their new growth stores are exclusively in high income areas. When approached, Wegmans showed no interest in putting a store where’s the shooting took place or even a scaled down store in downtown where there has been rapid growth. Buffalo city leaders lobbied hard and Tops finally came through. This Jefferson St store is on a commercial strip that seen some improvement and investment. I drive through there occasionally and it’s definitely seeing some degree of improvement.

All of us folks in Rochester witnessed the Wegman Family abandon the city of Rochester. The only store they have in the city of Rochester is their East Ave store. Funny how that store served lily white eastern Rochester. I wonder why Wegmans abandoned their Driving Park Ave store? It got too black for Danny.

[Seacoaster(1)]

Meanwhile, back in the Courts....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... teenagers/

"There are poorly timed judicial rulings — and then there is the ruling last week by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit. It struck down California’s ban on semiautomatic rifle sales to anyone under 21, holding that it violates the Second Amendment.

“America would not exist without the heroism of the young adults who fought and died in our revolutionary army,” Judge Ryan D. Nelson opined for the majority, composed of himself and another appointee of President Donald Trump, Judge Kenneth Lee. “Today we reaffirm that our Constitution still protects the right that enabled their sacrifice: the right of young adults to keep and bear arms.”

That was May 11. Three days later, an 18-year-old white supremacist allegedly fatally shot 10 people and injured three in a predominantly Black neighborhood of Buffalo, using a Bushmaster XM-15 semiautomatic weapon, which police say he purchased legally in New York state.

This apparent terrorist act provides a ghastly counterpoint to Nelson’s lofty musings about musket-toting young patriots. This is the 21st century: Must we live with a constitutional doctrine that requires the states to let youths in their late teens buy warlike weaponry?

The question is pertinent because, via a pair of rulings in 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to “keep and bear” guns, approximately as the First Amendment protects individual free speech.

The rulings did allow for unspecified restrictions, however; and lower federal courts have used that leeway to uphold several state-level gun laws over the past decade. One was the district court in California that ruled in favor of the state’s minimum-age law last year, only to be reversed by the 9th Circuit last week.

The Supreme Court generally left these cases alone, declining to consider appeals from gun-rights advocates.

Meanwhile, Justice Clarence Thomas, in impatient dissenting opinions, accused his colleagues, essentially, of shirking their duty to protect Second Amendment rights.

In its current term, the court, its conservative majority bolstered by three appointees of Trump, has taken up a gun-rights challenge to a century-old New York City law that limits permits to carry a handgun in public to those with “proper cause.”

The decision is due by July. Judging from their past writings and comments at oral argument in the New York City case, conservative justices, parsing the “original meaning” of the Second Amendment, will view contemporary reality through the foggy prism of early American history — just as the 9th Circuit did.

Nelson’s opinion delved into the ancient origins of posse comitatus law but not the more recent history that prompted California to enact its law: the 2019 mass shooting at a San Diego-area synagogue by an antisemite wielding a semiautomatic rifle, which left one dead and three injured.

The closest the panel majority came was in a concurring opinion by Lee, which analogized the harm firearms can cause to the bad conduct we necessarily tolerate in the name of other constitutional rights: “We do not impinge on the First Amendment based on the outlier actions of a few who may abuse that right," wrote Lee, also a Trump appointee.

Fair enough. But California lawmakers were not suggesting anything close to an outright ban; as dissenting Judge Sidney H. Stein, an appointee of President Bill Clinton, noted, the law still allowed those under the age of 21 with hunting licenses to buy rifles for that purpose and to receive semiautomatic rifles as family gifts.

Also, “outlier” abuses of the Second Amendment can cause far more havoc more directly than words or symbols can. California’s modest goal was to reduce the odds of another massacre — albeit marginally. Given adolescent impulsivity and immaturity, barring sales of semiautomatic weapons to individuals under 21 appears to be a reasonable way to advance that policy.

Five other states, including two — Washington and Hawaii — within the 9th Circuit’s jurisdiction and thus subject to its precedents, have similar laws.

Florida prohibited under-21s from purchasing all firearms in 2018. Like California, Florida acted in response to a terrible crime committed by a heavily armed 19-year-old: the slaughter of 17 people at a school in Parkland, Fla. Unlike in California, the legislature that adopted the law was Republican-controlled. Gov. Rick Scott, also a Republican and now one of Florida’s U.S. senators, signed it.

Florida’s law has withstood a challenge by the National Rifle Association in district court, but the NRA’s appeal is being considered by the Atlanta-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit. Most of the judges on the 11th Circuit were appointed by Republican presidents, which bodes ill for the Florida law, despite its GOP parentage; the 9th Circuit panel ruling could be appealed to the full court, where the majority was appointed by Democratic presidents.

A circuit split, if any, might have to be resolved by the Supreme Court. And the justices, in the New York City case, are about to give their latest indication of how much — or how little — latitude states and localities still have to curb gun violence."

[cradleandshoot]

Meanwhile, back in the Courts....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... teenagers/

"There are poorly timed judicial rulings — and then there is the ruling last week by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit. It struck down California’s ban on semiautomatic rifle sales to anyone under 21, holding that it violates the Second Amendment.

“America would not exist without the heroism of the young adults who fought and died in our revolutionary army,” Judge Ryan D. Nelson opined for the majority, composed of himself and another appointee of President Donald Trump, Judge Kenneth Lee. “Today we reaffirm that our Constitution still protects the right that enabled their sacrifice: the right of young adults to keep and bear arms.”

That was May 11. Three days later, an 18-year-old white supremacist allegedly fatally shot 10 people and injured three in a predominantly Black neighborhood of Buffalo, using a Bushmaster XM-15 semiautomatic weapon, which police say he purchased legally in New York state.

This apparent terrorist act provides a ghastly counterpoint to Nelson’s lofty musings about musket-toting young patriots. This is the 21st century: Must we live with a constitutional doctrine that requires the states to let youths in their late teens buy warlike weaponry?

The question is pertinent because, via a pair of rulings in 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to “keep and bear” guns, approximately as the First Amendment protects individual free speech.

The rulings did allow for unspecified restrictions, however; and lower federal courts have used that leeway to uphold several state-level gun laws over the past decade. One was the district court in California that ruled in favor of the state’s minimum-age law last year, only to be reversed by the 9th Circuit last week.

The Supreme Court generally left these cases alone, declining to consider appeals from gun-rights advocates.

Meanwhile, Justice Clarence Thomas, in impatient dissenting opinions, accused his colleagues, essentially, of shirking their duty to protect Second Amendment rights.

In its current term, the court, its conservative majority bolstered by three appointees of Trump, has taken up a gun-rights challenge to a century-old New York City law that limits permits to carry a handgun in public to those with “proper cause.”

The decision is due by July. Judging from their past writings and comments at oral argument in the New York City case, conservative justices, parsing the “original meaning” of the Second Amendment, will view contemporary reality through the foggy prism of early American history — just as the 9th Circuit did.

Nelson’s opinion delved into the ancient origins of posse comitatus law but not the more recent history that prompted California to enact its law: the 2019 mass shooting at a San Diego-area synagogue by an antisemite wielding a semiautomatic rifle, which left one dead and three injured.

The closest the panel majority came was in a concurring opinion by Lee, which analogized the harm firearms can cause to the bad conduct we necessarily tolerate in the name of other constitutional rights: “We do not impinge on the First Amendment based on the outlier actions of a few who may abuse that right," wrote Lee, also a Trump appointee.

Fair enough. But California lawmakers were not suggesting anything close to an outright ban; as dissenting Judge Sidney H. Stein, an appointee of President Bill Clinton, noted, the law still allowed those under the age of 21 with hunting licenses to buy rifles for that purpose and to receive semiautomatic rifles as family gifts.

Also, “outlier” abuses of the Second Amendment can cause far more havoc more directly than words or symbols can. California’s modest goal was to reduce the odds of another massacre — albeit marginally. Given adolescent impulsivity and immaturity, barring sales of semiautomatic weapons to individuals under 21 appears to be a reasonable way to advance that policy.

Five other states, including two — Washington and Hawaii — within the 9th Circuit’s jurisdiction and thus subject to its precedents, have similar laws.

Florida prohibited under-21s from purchasing all firearms in 2018. Like California, Florida acted in response to a terrible crime committed by a heavily armed 19-year-old: the slaughter of 17 people at a school in Parkland, Fla. Unlike in California, the legislature that adopted the law was Republican-controlled. Gov. Rick Scott, also a Republican and now one of Florida’s U.S. senators, signed it.

Florida’s law has withstood a challenge by the National Rifle Association in district court, but the NRA’s appeal is being considered by the Atlanta-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit. Most of the judges on the 11th Circuit were appointed by Republican presidents, which bodes ill for the Florida law, despite its GOP parentage; the 9th Circuit panel ruling could be appealed to the full court, where the majority was appointed by Democratic presidents.

A circuit split, if any, might have to be resolved by the Supreme Court. And the justices, in the New York City case, are about to give their latest indication of how much — or how little — latitude states and localities still have to curb gun violence."

So Mr Coaster in a few short weeks this mass murder will fade into the background. Then it will be back to business as usual... young black youths gunning down their fellow black youths for God knows what reason. WHEN do we crack down on ILLEGAL WEAPONS?? We all understand the threat from psychotic white supremacists. Why do we continue to ignore the threat to urban communities from the gazillions of ILLEGAL WEAPONS that predominate in these neighborhoods? Why do the states and the feds ignore the ongoing urban slaughter??? Is it more important to focus on WS lunatics or focus on the ongoing day after day wild west show. The new trend is shooting up homes where the bad guys think their target lives. Perfect time to deflect from the real failure of prosecuting the people responsible for the infusion of ILLEGAL WEAPONS into urban communities.

[runrussellrun]

The Tops security guard who was killed was a retired Buffalo police officer.

Apparently his handgun was no match for body armor suspect was wearing.

Like all past tragedies, nothing will change as a result of this one either.

Acquired at “some gun store”

The real tragedy is that this loser had been exhibiting signs of being mentally ill for some time. Wore a hazmat suit to high school for a week. Had a psych eval and yet was allowed to buy guns. The system let these people down, not just the gun dealer, but the "therapy" community. Why aren't there places anymore where they can't hurt others or themselves? Because psychiatric hospitals are cruel? Tell that to the victim's families.

We should tell the security guards family that he and the other victims aren’t the real tragedy. They clearly don’t understand the world.

Would it have been better that this kook never got his guns or that he killed a couple of people before the security guard took him out? I'm saying it could have been avoided. I'm a 2A supporter, but you do recall that Cruz, the Parkland shooter had more than a few interactions with law enforcement, yet was still able to kill 17 people. Policies were in place to be more lenient with troubled students to avoid the negativity of more realistic charges, like assault, that were considered to negatively affect the future of the offender. Dylan Roof got his guns because the FBI effed up his background check. If he had been committed to a safe facility it never would have happened.

I keep it simple. Dylann Roof killed those people because he was racist. And so did this clown in Buffalo. You are free to believe other wise.

Of course they were racist, but also psychotic. To ignore that is just, well, ignorant.

yeah.....being a racist is a condition in a vacuum. being "racist" IS psychotic behavior. A mental illness. But, when you are long time friends with known rapists.......your mind gets warped with "me firstisms" and thrusting forward with THE special people of the "club". at all costs.

but, pfizer and pfriends say DRUGS can cure crazy