ND had 8 games scheduled
Against the pre season top 12. Their schedule looked ridiculously hard. I know it didn’t play out that way, but your comment is way off base and misleading IMO.
ND had 8 games scheduled
Ummm, maybe, maybe not.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 8:44 am Well…a quantitative system at least allows transparency of a system that puts everyone on clear equal footing. Creates trust and transparency that’s it critical to any organism or system to thrive and grow.
st bonnies cost cornell getting in over umd if they went straight rpi in 2019, not notre dame. notre dame was #8.random observer wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 10:46 am I actually think the RPI is fairly decent given the limited sample size; by straight RPI, ND and Duke would have been in, which is ironic given how much fans of those programs suddenly hated the metric when they thought it wouldn't benefit them. My main issue is that it penalizes teams for playing upstart programs regardless of result and even if said matchup is an extra game rather than in lieu of a tougher matchup. I think scheduling the St. Bonaventure's and Detroit Mercy's of the world is good for the development of those programs whilst allowing players at big time schools who ride the bench to get game action. That's how you get scenarios like Cornell a few years back, where playing St. Bonaventure dropped their RPI below an ND team they beat on the road, and cost them a tourney slot.
Just spitballing, but one idea that might improve the system would be to standardize it to 12 games -- all of your losses and then your top wins to fill out the 12 (so if you had 5 losses, your top 7 wins would be factored into the RPI). That way if you were to add a 15th game to your schedule against a newer program, you wouldn't get dinged vs. if you had just played 14 games (unless you lose of course). It would be a great way to encourage teams to play more games overall IMO.
ND was a good team this year, but I'm not prepared to say they were a leading contender for the final four when they lost most of their matchups against tournament-caliber opposition. They might have been a great team, but the results we have cast doubt on that. Ultimately I think they or Duke deserved the last at large over Harvard. But the selection of Harvard over them was more of a margin call gone wrong than a miscarriage of justice, even though I think ND is likely the better team. They scheduled the minimum number of games and had a small margin for error. If they had given themselves more bites at the apple, they could have secured the extra win they needed to lock themselves in.
https://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/stupefied wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:15 am Most likely would but hypothetical
The methodology is what it is , some very good teams have been left out in the past but don't ever remember a team ranked fourth at season end being left out ?
Duke totally dismantled UVA a month ago but lost one goal games to ND twice afterward . In the 2nd game they dominated the first half only to be dominated in the second so can't sympathize.
ND meanwhile should have been a highly seeded team hosting a opening round home game
7, 7, 18 >> 11, 14, 18Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:20 amhttps://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/stupefied wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:15 am Most likely would but hypothetical
The methodology is what it is , some very good teams have been left out in the past but don't ever remember a team ranked fourth at season end being left out ?
Duke totally dismantled UVA a month ago but lost one goal games to ND twice afterward . In the 2nd game they dominated the first half only to be dominated in the second so can't sympathize.
ND meanwhile should have been a highly seeded team hosting a opening round home game
Show me the wins that support an invite.
At a minimum in a reliance basis it does. I can’t help it if people are selfish.Hail to the Victors wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 10:59 amUmmm, maybe, maybe not.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 8:44 am Well…a quantitative system at least allows transparency of a system that puts everyone on clear equal footing. Creates trust and transparency that’s it critical to any organism or system to thrive and grow.
Cant be that compelling since I heard from an “expert source” that Maryland is already planning their championship party and have assumed the mercy rule will be called today vs UVM early in Q2..MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:30 am You guys are still arguing about this?
Don't know if you'd heard... there's a pretty compelling lacrosse tournament going on right now.
Neither team would beat Princeton and BU was an AQ45wewantmore wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 12:46 pm Game One:
Boston Univ (AQ) - Yes
#5 Princeton - Yes
This game is not good
WE JUST NEED A FEW MORE DAYS TO STRAIGHTEN THIS ALL OUT. ASK THEM IF THEY CAN WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEKEND TO START THE TOURNAMENT...MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:30 am You guys are still arguing about this?
Don't know if you'd heard... there's a pretty compelling lacrosse tournament going on right now.
Duke lost to Loyola, Cuse, and Jacksonville. Are we supposed to forget about all of those losses because of one great win? Richmond also beat Virginia and I didn't see anyone beating the drum for their at-large consideration in the event that they hadn't gotten the AQ.stupefied wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:15 am Most likely would but hypothetical
The methodology is what it is , some very good teams have been left out in the past but don't ever remember a team ranked fourth at season end being left out ?
Duke totally dismantled UVA a month ago but lost one goal games to ND twice afterward . In the 2nd game they dominated the first half only to be dominated in the second so can't sympathize.
ND meanwhile should have been a highly seeded team hosting a opening round home game
I don’t know teams who those teams are. Who did those teams play yesterday or do they play today?wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:25 am7, 7, 18 >> 11, 14, 18Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:20 amhttps://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/stupefied wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:15 am Most likely would but hypothetical
The methodology is what it is , some very good teams have been left out in the past but don't ever remember a team ranked fourth at season end being left out ?
Duke totally dismantled UVA a month ago but lost one goal games to ND twice afterward . In the 2nd game they dominated the first half only to be dominated in the second so can't sympathize.
ND meanwhile should have been a highly seeded team hosting a opening round home game
Show me the wins that support an invite.
right. so who would you put in if top wins and bad losses were your priority (and losses were ~equal)? h-to-h being a tiebreaker only.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:37 amI don’t know teams who those teams are.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:25 am7, 7, 18 >> 11, 14, 18Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:20 amhttps://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/stupefied wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:15 am Most likely would but hypothetical
The methodology is what it is , some very good teams have been left out in the past but don't ever remember a team ranked fourth at season end being left out ?
Duke totally dismantled UVA a month ago but lost one goal games to ND twice afterward . In the 2nd game they dominated the first half only to be dominated in the second so can't sympathize.
ND meanwhile should have been a highly seeded team hosting a opening round home game
Show me the wins that support an invite.
They haven't beat anyone besides Duke... ND fans stop crying. They had their chance to beat Ohio state, Virginia, Maryland, & Georgetown and lost every time.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:37 amI don’t know teams who those teams are. Who did those teams play yesterday or do they play today?wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:25 am7, 7, 18 >> 11, 14, 18Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:20 amhttps://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/stupefied wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:15 am Most likely would but hypothetical
The methodology is what it is , some very good teams have been left out in the past but don't ever remember a team ranked fourth at season end being left out ?
Duke totally dismantled UVA a month ago but lost one goal games to ND twice afterward . In the 2nd game they dominated the first half only to be dominated in the second so can't sympathize.
ND meanwhile should have been a highly seeded team hosting a opening round home game
Show me the wins that support an invite.
I am satisfied with the selections. My one change would possibly be Duke in over Harvard. But that’s just my opinion.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:41 amright. so who would you put in if top wins and bad losses were your priority (and losses were ~equal)? h-to-h being a tiebreaker only.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:37 amI don’t know teams who those teams are.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:25 am7, 7, 18 >> 11, 14, 18Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:20 amhttps://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/stupefied wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:15 am Most likely would but hypothetical
The methodology is what it is , some very good teams have been left out in the past but don't ever remember a team ranked fourth at season end being left out ?
Duke totally dismantled UVA a month ago but lost one goal games to ND twice afterward . In the 2nd game they dominated the first half only to be dominated in the second so can't sympathize.
ND meanwhile should have been a highly seeded team hosting a opening round home game
Show me the wins that support an invite.
What time does Duke play today?masondixonlax wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:44 amThey haven't beat anyone besides Duke... ND fans stop crying. They had their chance to beat Ohio state, Virginia, Maryland, & Georgetown and lost every time.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:37 amI don’t know teams who those teams are. Who did those teams play yesterday or do they play today?wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:25 am7, 7, 18 >> 11, 14, 18Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:20 amhttps://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/stupefied wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:15 am Most likely would but hypothetical
The methodology is what it is , some very good teams have been left out in the past but don't ever remember a team ranked fourth at season end being left out ?
Duke totally dismantled UVA a month ago but lost one goal games to ND twice afterward . In the 2nd game they dominated the first half only to be dominated in the second so can't sympathize.
ND meanwhile should have been a highly seeded team hosting a opening round home game
Show me the wins that support an invite.
that's nd vs tosu. the good news is, we get to do it all over again next year.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:45 amI am satisfied with the selections. My one change would possibly be Duke in over Harvard. But that’s just my opinion.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:41 amright. so who would you put in if top wins and bad losses were your priority (and losses were ~equal)? h-to-h being a tiebreaker only.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:37 amI don’t know teams who those teams are.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:25 am7, 7, 18 >> 11, 14, 18Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:20 amhttps://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/stupefied wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:15 am Most likely would but hypothetical
The methodology is what it is , some very good teams have been left out in the past but don't ever remember a team ranked fourth at season end being left out ?
Duke totally dismantled UVA a month ago but lost one goal games to ND twice afterward . In the 2nd game they dominated the first half only to be dominated in the second so can't sympathize.
ND meanwhile should have been a highly seeded team hosting a opening round home game
Show me the wins that support an invite.
I think the women's team plays MD @ 1 todayTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:45 amWhat time does Duke play today?masondixonlax wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:44 amThey haven't beat anyone besides Duke... ND fans stop crying. They had their chance to beat Ohio state, Virginia, Maryland, & Georgetown and lost every time.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:37 amI don’t know teams who those teams are. Who did those teams play yesterday or do they play today?wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:25 am7, 7, 18 >> 11, 14, 18Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:20 amhttps://und.com/sports/mlax/schedule/stupefied wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:15 am Most likely would but hypothetical
The methodology is what it is , some very good teams have been left out in the past but don't ever remember a team ranked fourth at season end being left out ?
Duke totally dismantled UVA a month ago but lost one goal games to ND twice afterward . In the 2nd game they dominated the first half only to be dominated in the second so can't sympathize.
ND meanwhile should have been a highly seeded team hosting a opening round home game
Show me the wins that support an invite.