Rank the snubs

[Homer]

I believe these are the most commonly cited selection snubs under the modern criteria:

2010 Georgetown out, Notre Dame in

2016 Rutgers out, Navy in*

2017 Army out, UNC in

2019 Cornell out, JHU in

2022 Notre Dame out, Harvard in


* Everybody remembers 2016 for Hopkins getting in over Rutgers despite having lost to Rutgers twice. But in fact Hopkins was comfortably in the field based on their early season wins, including over Navy. The committee said the final spot came down to Navy, Harvard, and Rutgers, in that order.

There are probably some others I'm forgetting. Which of these was most egregious? Which was most defensible?

[jrn19]

2019 is interesting because it really kinda came down to Cornell and Maryland. Hopkins beating Maryland twice the last weekend of the regular season plus having a 4 spot better RPI vaulted them over Maryland and making it a Maryland-Cornell debate, which was a bit tougher on the Big Red.

[Farfromgeneva]

I believe these are the most commonly cited selection snubs under the modern criteria:

2010 Georgetown out, JHU in

2016 Rutgers out, Navy in*

2017 Army out, UNC in

2019 Cornell out, JHU in

2022 Notre Dame out, Harvard in


* Everybody remembers 2016 for Hopkins getting in over Rutgers despite having lost to Rutgers twice. But in fact Hopkins was comfortably in the field based on their early season wins, including over Navy. The committee said the final spot came down to Navy, Harvard, and Rutgers, in that order.

There are probably some others I'm forgetting. Which of these was most egregious? Which was most defensible?

I thought the debate was GT - ND in 2010. That’s certainly what I recall on LP. Rip Hoyaboy

[10stone5]

Bucknell 1996

[tech37]

Bucknell 1996

Yep

[ICGrad]

2019 is interesting because it really kinda came down to Cornell and Maryland. Hopkins beating Maryland twice the last weekend of the regular season plus having a 4 spot better RPI vaulted them over Maryland and making it a Maryland-Cornell debate, which was a bit tougher on the Big Red.

Though I think many - myself included - felt that JHU had a (typically for them) inflated RPI, not unlike Duke's this year. A bunch of losses to teams with good records, no real signature wins until those back-to-back Maryland wins late in the season.

The committee singled out why they selected JHU and not Cornell (two wins over top 10 or 12 or something like that RPI team - both Maryland - to Cornell's one). I don't remember them singling out the Maryland selection for any special explanation, but it's possible I'm misremembering.

[HGK]

I believe these are the most commonly cited selection snubs under the modern criteria:

2010 Georgetown out, JHU in

2016 Rutgers out, Navy in*

2017 Army out, UNC in

2019 Cornell out, JHU in

2022 Notre Dame out, Harvard in


* Everybody remembers 2016 for Hopkins getting in over Rutgers despite having lost to Rutgers twice. But in fact Hopkins was comfortably in the field based on their early season wins, including over Navy. The committee said the final spot came down to Navy, Harvard, and Rutgers, in that order.

There are probably some others I'm forgetting. Which of these was most egregious? Which was most defensible?

I thought the debate was GT - ND in 2010. That’s certainly what I recall on LP. Rip Hoyaboy

Yes that was the issue GT/ND

[Homer]

I thought the debate was GT - ND in 2010. That’s certainly what I recall on LP. Rip Hoyaboy

Yes that was the issue GT/ND

Yeah, you're correct -- blame me for posting too early in the morning. I've edited the lead post to reflect that.

[NovaLax17]

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A few more for consideration:

2013 Drexel out, RPI 11th
2016 Villanova out, RPI 15th.

[Farfromgeneva]

I thought the debate was GT - ND in 2010. That’s certainly what I recall on LP. Rip Hoyaboy

Yes that was the issue GT/ND

Yeah, you're correct -- blame me for posting too early in the morning. I've edited the lead post to reflect that.

Anything done after midnight doesn’t count- I made that rule up as gospel so you’re all good. Somebody probably thought Hop didn’t deserve to get in that year anyway. Someone other than fattylax

[10stone5]

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A few more for consideration:

2013 Drexel out, RPI 11th
2016 Villanova out, RPI 15th.

Those were both VG teams,
I’d go with the Villanova team though.

[old salt]

2016 Rutgers out, Navy in*

* Everybody remembers 2016 for Hopkins getting in over Rutgers despite having lost to Rutgers twice. But in fact Hopkins was comfortably in the field based on their early season wins, including over Navy. The committee said the final spot came down to Navy, Harvard, and Rutgers, in that order.

We Navy fans were stunned to get in. Having been the #1 seed & hosting the PLT, we figured we were probably done after losing the in PLT semi at home to Army. Turns out the extra Quality Win that got us in was the season opener vs Air Force which finished 14-2 & also got into the ncaa tourney. Loyola won the PLT AQ.

[PeteStreet]

Rutgers 2016 schedule was unimpressive...I don't think they were snubbed at all. Rutgers had two wins against in-conference Hopkins that Rutgers fans pointed to at the time. Hopkins 2016 had a handful of significant injuries, and it was clear early on in their schedule (to Hopkins fans) they would not be very competitive the rest of the season. Also, head coach Pietramala was out for a chunk of the season due to his health. Maybe Rutgers should have been in over Navy or someone else, but this is your run-of-the mill tournament selection dilemma, not some huge, legendary snub.

[BlueJaySince1947]

Bucknell 1996

They had a soft schedule with no wins over quality teams...DUH !

[jersey shore lax]

Bucknell 1996

That is what I always thought - although my good friend DocBarrister would argue that any year Hop does not make it is a snub

[1766]

ND wasn't snubbed.

They played average teams twice and went 0 for 4 against teams that made tournament.

[kramerica.inc]

Bucknell.

[Farfromgeneva]

Not a lot of semi long memories because the GT exclusion was worse than 17 & 19.

[wgdsr]

2019 is interesting because it really kinda came down to Cornell and Maryland. Hopkins beating Maryland twice the last weekend of the regular season plus having a 4 spot better RPI vaulted them over Maryland and making it a Maryland-Cornell debate, which was a bit tougher on the Big Red.

Though I think many - myself included - felt that JHU had a (typically for them) inflated RPI, not unlike Duke's this year. A bunch of losses to teams with good records, no real signature wins until those back-to-back Maryland wins late in the season.

The committee singled out why they selected JHU and not Cornell (two wins over top 10 or 12 or something like that RPI team - both Maryland - to Cornell's one). I don't remember them singling out the Maryland selection for any special explanation, but it's possible I'm misremembering.

cornell had 2 top 10 wins.
towson and nd, who were like 7 and 8 rpi. maryland at 12 were hop's 2 best wins. jhu had one other top 20?

then they made up some gibberish about more top wins for hopkins. it was really about sos (and they mentioned cornell's sos). sos is 2/3 of rpi. it was about rpi. imo.

[Farfromgeneva]

Wanna hear more conspiracy theory re: eye test?

It’s possible the committee members soured on Cornell when they saw the efficacy of double team face guarding Teat strategy in the ILT