I'd love to see a goalie or defenseman....even someone like a Zach Goodrich who was a SSDM/two-way midfielder; a game changer for the team no doubt.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 8:17 pmI think by my comment that you should be able to tell I don’t think it’s all about stats.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 7:31 pmMaybe we first need to agree that it is not all about stats....after reading the below (from the website), and seeing the halftime spot during the Army-Navy game, coupled with my rationale for selecting B, can anyone add any color on the others and their off-field "contribution to society" that would sway us?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 7:08 pmYou’re going to make me guess but would you compare stats equally of an pure attack and a midfielder.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 6:00 pmBased on numbers AND if this player WAS NOT on the team....I'd pick B
What say you?
GP ----GS----G----A----PTS----SH----SH%---- Pick-em
14----14----48----36----84----100----.480 -----A
16----16----41----60----101----142---.289 ----B
15----15----52----39----91----122----.426------C
14----14----33----33----66----113----.292------D
Not knowing D, GB/TO, any clutch plays of note in significant games and how many GWGs I guess B or C?
I checked. There’s just no way that Army with a weaker schedule and no playoffs is Nichtern there. And his shooting is so much worse than Brandau or Wis. you can justify Handley a because he’s a midfielder. Brandau is C.
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And…absent any obvious attack player and a unique once in a decade type Middie I would like to see the middie get it to make sure it’s not a complete joke attack award 100% of the time.
It would be unfair to apply service standard for academy students and the rest. Particularly when there’s a congressional recommendation requirement-even if that is practically speaking easier to come by than it sounds on paper.
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Sure but baby stepsyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 8:20 pmI'd love to see a goalie or defenseman....even someone like a Zach Goodrich who was a SSDM/two-way midfielder; a game changer for the team no doubt.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 8:17 pmI think by my comment that you should be able to tell I don’t think it’s all about stats.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 7:31 pmMaybe we first need to agree that it is not all about stats....after reading the below (from the website), and seeing the halftime spot during the Army-Navy game, coupled with my rationale for selecting B, can anyone add any color on the others and their off-field "contribution to society" that would sway us?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 7:08 pmYou’re going to make me guess but would you compare stats equally of an pure attack and a midfielder.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 6:00 pmBased on numbers AND if this player WAS NOT on the team....I'd pick B
What say you?
GP ----GS----G----A----PTS----SH----SH%---- Pick-em
14----14----48----36----84----100----.480 -----A
16----16----41----60----101----142---.289 ----B
15----15----52----39----91----122----.426------C
14----14----33----33----66----113----.292------D
Not knowing D, GB/TO, any clutch plays of note in significant games and how many GWGs I guess B or C?
I checked. There’s just no way that Army with a weaker schedule and no playoffs is Nichtern there. And his shooting is so much worse than Brandau or Wis. you can justify Handley a because he’s a midfielder. Brandau is C.
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And…absent any obvious attack player and a unique once in a decade type Middie I would like to see the middie get it to make sure it’s not a complete joke attack award 100% of the time.
It would be unfair to apply service standard for academy students and the rest. Particularly when there’s a congressional recommendation requirement-even if that is practically speaking easier to come by than it sounds on paper.
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Gray deserves it. This whole argument about needing to be in the tournament is stupid. The best player this year is Gray.
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I watched most of the games of kids all great players, but Nichtern has to work is ass off for every point he gets, and most of the time shoots with 3 sticks hitting him. So i can see why is shooting percentage is lower then others. you can't go wrong with either kid.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 8:20 pmI'd love to see a goalie or defenseman....even someone like a Zach Goodrich who was a SSDM/two-way midfielder; a game changer for the team no doubt.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 8:17 pmI think by my comment that you should be able to tell I don’t think it’s all about stats.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 7:31 pmMaybe we first need to agree that it is not all about stats....after reading the below (from the website), and seeing the halftime spot during the Army-Navy game, coupled with my rationale for selecting B, can anyone add any color on the others and their off-field "contribution to society" that would sway us?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 7:08 pmYou’re going to make me guess but would you compare stats equally of an pure attack and a midfielder.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 6:00 pmBased on numbers AND if this player WAS NOT on the team....I'd pick B
What say you?
GP ----GS----G----A----PTS----SH----SH%---- Pick-em
14----14----48----36----84----100----.480 -----A
16----16----41----60----101----142---.289 ----B
15----15----52----39----91----122----.426------C
14----14----33----33----66----113----.292------D
Not knowing D, GB/TO, any clutch plays of note in significant games and how many GWGs I guess B or C?
I checked. There’s just no way that Army with a weaker schedule and no playoffs is Nichtern there. And his shooting is so much worse than Brandau or Wis. you can justify Handley a because he’s a midfielder. Brandau is C.
Spirit of Tewaaraton
The “Spirit of Tewaaraton” award is presented to an individual involved in the sport of lacrosse, who nobly reflects the finest virtues exemplified in the game, and who, over the course of his or her life, has made a significant contribution to society and to the lives of others.
And…absent any obvious attack player and a unique once in a decade type Middie I would like to see the middie get it to make sure it’s not a complete joke attack award 100% of the time.
It would be unfair to apply service standard for academy students and the rest. Particularly when there’s a congressional recommendation requirement-even if that is practically speaking easier to come by than it sounds on paper.
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Chris Gray had a hand in 50% of UNC's goals. There are maybe 4-5 other players in the country who are at even 40% in that stat. Only one other player was above 45% (Brian Minicus of Colgate at 47.2%). I think if you're evaluating who is the best player he is as good a candidate as any. If you are evaluating who was the most important to their team, I'd argue he is the clear choice.
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Asher Nolting? Closest thing to Baum winning since Baum.
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Easily the top player to come out of CO, I believe,Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 1:15 pm Asher Nolting? Closest thing to Baum winning since Baum.
and I’d put Nolting as top five to come out of the
greater western states,
great move by High Point to get him out of CO.
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I agree. UNC probably would not have beaten anyone besides maybe Bellarmine and Colgate without Gray. He put together a 1st team AA caliber season and earned that all-time points record in spite of Carolina's terrible offense this year.random observer wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 1:11 pm Chris Gray had a hand in 50% of UNC's goals. There are maybe 4-5 other players in the country who are at even 40% in that stat. Only one other player was above 45% (Brian Minicus of Colgate at 47.2%). I think if you're evaluating who is the best player he is as good a candidate as any. If you are evaluating who was the most important to their team, I'd argue he is the clear choice.
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I think Wisnauskas will win it but think that Handley, if Penn has a big run in the tournament, could be the consensus runner up. (And I say this as a Brandau fan.) I agree that functionally it's probably impossible for Gray or Nichtern to win given that their squads didn't make the tournament.
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Goes to show you how hard it is to make 1st team AA or any 3 teams.10 10 2 wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 1:52 pmI agree. UNC probably would not have beaten anyone besides maybe Bellarmine and Colgate without Gray. He put together a 1st team AA caliber season and earned that all-time points record in spite of Carolina's terrible offense this year.random observer wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 1:11 pm Chris Gray had a hand in 50% of UNC's goals. There are maybe 4-5 other players in the country who are at even 40% in that stat. Only one other player was above 45% (Brian Minicus of Colgate at 47.2%). I think if you're evaluating who is the best player he is as good a candidate as any. If you are evaluating who was the most important to their team, I'd argue he is the clear choice.
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It kind of stinks that it strictly is an offensive award. McElroy at Gtown is having one of the best seasons I’ve ever seen from a goalie, leading the NCAA top defense. If he doesn’t get invited this year, I don’t think a goalie will ever get invited.
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Well, I mean I understand the disappointment,10 10 2 wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 1:52 pmI agree. UNC probably would not have beaten anyone besides maybe Bellarmine and Colgate without Gray. He put together a 1st team AA caliber season and earned that all-time points record in spite of Carolina's terrible offense this year.random observer wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 1:11 pm Chris Gray had a hand in 50% of UNC's goals. There are maybe 4-5 other players in the country who are at even 40% in that stat. Only one other player was above 45% (Brian Minicus of Colgate at 47.2%). I think if you're evaluating who is the best player he is as good a candidate as any. If you are evaluating who was the most important to their team, I'd argue he is the clear choice.
wasting the talents of Gray in some ways,
not sure I’d go that far.
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Yet another reason the sport we love constantly gets in its own way.FlyEaglesFly wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 2:47 pm It kind of stinks that it strictly is an offensive award. McElroy at Gtown is having one of the best seasons I’ve ever seen from a goalie, leading the NCAA top defense. If he doesn’t get invited this year, I don’t think a goalie will ever get invited.
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McElroy has had an unreal career and is one of the best D1 goalies I've seen in a long time. However, I think the fact that the freshman back up filled in for several games and the Hoyas carried on with their business without breaking a sweat probably doesn't help his chances.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 3:55 pmYet another reason the sport we love constantly gets in its own way.FlyEaglesFly wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 2:47 pm It kind of stinks that it strictly is an offensive award. McElroy at Gtown is having one of the best seasons I’ve ever seen from a goalie, leading the NCAA top defense. If he doesn’t get invited this year, I don’t think a goalie will ever get invited.
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I hear you. But if you watched the games - it wasn’t that simple. He struggled a little vs Lehigh (certainly wasn’t without a sweat), and one of the other games was Providence. Granted he played well vs Denver.random observer wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 3:59 pmMcElroy has had an unreal career and is one of the best D1 goalies I've seen in a long time. However, I think the fact that the freshman back up filled in for several games and the Hoyas carried on with their business without breaking a sweat probably doesn't help his chances.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 3:55 pmYet another reason the sport we love constantly gets in its own way.FlyEaglesFly wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 2:47 pm It kind of stinks that it strictly is an offensive award. McElroy at Gtown is having one of the best seasons I’ve ever seen from a goalie, leading the NCAA top defense. If he doesn’t get invited this year, I don’t think a goalie will ever get invited.
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Bottom line it’s sadly an offensive player only award and more specifically an attackman award virtually every year. Best player doesn’t have to score - see Lawrence Taylor. I think this year one of 3 offensive players deserve the award but to your point be nice to see a goalie, ssdm or a close D man in the final conversationFlyEaglesFly wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 5:04 pmI hear you. But if you watched the games - it wasn’t that simple. He struggled a little vs Lehigh (certainly wasn’t without a sweat), and one of the other games was Providence. Granted he played well vs Denver.random observer wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 3:59 pmMcElroy has had an unreal career and is one of the best D1 goalies I've seen in a long time. However, I think the fact that the freshman back up filled in for several games and the Hoyas carried on with their business without breaking a sweat probably doesn't help his chances.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 3:55 pmYet another reason the sport we love constantly gets in its own way.FlyEaglesFly wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 2:47 pm It kind of stinks that it strictly is an offensive award. McElroy at Gtown is having one of the best seasons I’ve ever seen from a goalie, leading the NCAA top defense. If he doesn’t get invited this year, I don’t think a goalie will ever get invited.
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I think the tournament could have some impact - the problem for anyone else other than Wisnauskas is that it is hard to imagine Maryland not making the final game - actually hard to imagine them not winning - if LaSalla got really hot in the rematch UVA certainly has the offensive talent to make the Terps sweat - if the Cavs shocked the world - then Handley/McElroy/Brandau might have a shot. McElroy's other shot is to have a 60+ save percentage in the title game and an upset. But assuming the Testudo juggernaut proceeds it's going to be Wisnauskas and it won't be close - when you look at their stats it's beyond amazing - do you know who the first guy is with a shot percentage below 31% - it's a defenseman Rahill and he's 18th on the scoring chart. The first guy with a SOG below 63%? Geppert - another long pole 13th on the scoring chart. Can't remember stats like it.
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As a Terp fan, obviously pulling for Wisnauskas. But Gray was really good in a bad UNC team. And Nichtern was pretty awesome too. All three would be very deserving.
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Doc Schneider in 06FlyEaglesFly wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 2:47 pm It kind of stinks that it strictly is an offensive award. McElroy at Gtown is having one of the best seasons I’ve ever seen from a goalie, leading the NCAA top defense. If he doesn’t get invited this year, I don’t think a goalie will ever get invited.
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Taylor scored a TKO on Joe TheismannHGK wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 5:36 pmBottom line it’s sadly an offensive player only award and more specifically an attackman award virtually every year. Best player doesn’t have to score - see Lawrence Taylor. I think this year one of 3 offensive players deserve the award but to your point be nice to see a goalie, ssdm or a close D man in the final conversationFlyEaglesFly wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 5:04 pmI hear you. But if you watched the games - it wasn’t that simple. He struggled a little vs Lehigh (certainly wasn’t without a sweat), and one of the other games was Providence. Granted he played well vs Denver.random observer wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 3:59 pmMcElroy has had an unreal career and is one of the best D1 goalies I've seen in a long time. However, I think the fact that the freshman back up filled in for several games and the Hoyas carried on with their business without breaking a sweat probably doesn't help his chances.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 3:55 pmYet another reason the sport we love constantly gets in its own way.FlyEaglesFly wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 2:47 pm It kind of stinks that it strictly is an offensive award. McElroy at Gtown is having one of the best seasons I’ve ever seen from a goalie, leading the NCAA top defense. If he doesn’t get invited this year, I don’t think a goalie will ever get invited.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah