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[rolldodge]

No I get it and not bothered by any of those but even under your methodology one really has to lean heavily on the Cornell win for Army vis a vis UVA or completely dismiss the losses it seems. Even if you want to throw out the * game but then you’re back into subjectivity territory, that Lehigh loss along with the relative collections of wins seems like it would still skew towards UVA > USMA.

Of course double counting UNC can cut both ways I think as well.

I don't have a strict mathematical formula that I employ with the numbers. Otherwise, might as well just use one of the many existing algorithms out there. So there is some subjective evaluation. They are more like guideposts to help avoid any hype or recency bias. Which keeps me from doing things like moving Army from 12 to 5 to 16 three weeks in a row (media poll). In this case, I did highly value the top ten Cornell win, which I do across the board (top 10 wins). And I discounted the Army loss to Navy because, well... Army/Navy. But to be honest, I'd be fine with either UVA or Army anywhere in the 11-14 range.

[masondixonlax]

It was just a petulant comment by a salty UVA fan. No amount of data or facts would make a difference here. Or logic.

I do like UVA but I am both a Penn Grad alum and primarily a Quaker fan. If Penn plays UVA, I will root for Penn. Unfortunately for my fantasy existence, I am also a realist as well and know that if UVA played Penn 10 times UVA would win at least 8 times and likely by 5 or 6 goals. If UVA payed any of the Ivies, it is my position that they would win 6 or 7 out of 10 albeit by a much smaller margin. Look at Ivy squads individual (not 1 from (column A and 1 from B) defensive efficiency numbers or goal tending strength, or FOGO abilities.

Which Ivy possesses the COMBINED strength of an attack unit of Moore, Schellenberger, and Cormier, AND a FOGO like LaSalla, AND a goalkeeper that matches Nunes, AND a defense of Saustad, Kastner, Matsui and Bower AND a line of middies comparable to Connor, Dickson, Schutz, Garno, and Sallade?

I want to see the 2 best teams meet on Memorial day--Maryland and UVA!!!

Yet there is no data from this season to support this. Yes they have a lot of talent but that doesn't mean they are a good team. Sounds like you want to do a "circle jerk" with UVA

[Mr3Putt]

Did Cornell lose?

[Matnum PI]

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[rolldodge]

Top 30 wins + All losses (RPI)

Maryland. 14-0. /// W: Princeton(3), Rutgers(5), Rutgers(5), Virginia(9), Notre Dame(11), Ohio State (14), Hopkins (21), Hopkins (21), Loyola (22), Syracuse (30)
Georgetown. 15-1 /// W: Penn (4), Notre Dame(11), Richmond (13), Villanova (19), Villanova (19), Denver (20), Hopkins(21), Loyola (22), Lehigh (28) /// L: Princeton (3)
Penn. 10-4 /// W: Yale (6), Duke (7), Cornell (8), Brown(10), St Josephs (16), Villanova (19) /// L: Brown(10), Yale (6), Gtown (2), Princeton (3)
Yale. 11-4 /// W: Princeton (3), Penn (4), Cornell (8), Boston U (12), Villanova (19), Denver (20), UMass (26), /// L: Penn St (34) , Brown (10), Cornell (8), Penn (4),
Cornell. 11-4 /// W: Princeton (3), Yale(6), Ohio State (14), Harvard(15), Lehigh (28), Syracuse (30)/// L: Army (18), Brown (10), Yale (6), Penn (4)
Princeton 9-4 /// W: Gtown (2), Penn (4), Rutgers(5), Brown (10), Boston U (12), /// L: Harvard (15), Yale (6), Cornell (8), Maryland (1)
Brown 10-5 /// W: Penn (4), Yale (6), Cornell (8), Villanova (19) /// L Umass (26), UNC (17), Harvard (15), Penn (4), Princeton (3)
Rutgers. 13-3 /// W: Ohio State (14), Ohio State (14), Army (18), Johns Hopkins (21), Loyola (22) /// L: Princeton (3), Maryland (1), Maryland (1)
Harvard 8-4 /// W: Princeton (3), Brown (10), Boston U (12), /// L Ohio State (14), Cornell (8), Yale (6), Penn (4)
Virginia. 11-3 /// W: Notre Dame (11), UNC (17), UNC (17), Hopkins (21), Towson (27), Syracuse (30), Syracuse (30) /// L to Richmond (13), Duke (7), Maryland (1)
Notre Dame. 8-4 /// W: Duke (7), Duke (7), UNC (17), Syracuse (30) /// L: Ohio State (14), Virginia (9), Gtown (2), Maryland (1)
Jacksonville. 14-3 /// W: Duke (7), Richmond (13), Denver (20), /// L: Utah (23), Hopkins (21), Richmond (13),
Ohio State. 10-5 /// W: Notre Dame (11), Harvard (15), UNC (17), Hopkins (21) /// L: Denver (20), Cornell (8), Rutgers (5), Rutgers (5), Maryland (1)
Richmond 11-4 /// W: Virginia (9), Jacksonville (24), Towson (27) /// L: Jacksonville (24), UNC (17), Duke (7), Gtown (2)
Duke. 11-6 /// Virginia (9), Richmond (13), Denver (20), UNC (17), UNC (17), Towson (27), Robert Morris (29) /// L: Syracuse (30), Jacksonville (24), Loyola (22), Notre Dame (11), Notre Dame (11), Penn (4)
Boston U. 12-4 /// W: Army (18), Loyola (22), UMass (26), Lehigh (28), Lehigh (28) /// L to Army (18), Harvard (15), Yale (6), Princeton (3)
Army. 12-4. /// W: Cornell (8), Boston U (12), Loyola (22), Loyola (22), UMass (26), Syracuse (30) /// L: Navy (31), Lehigh (29), Boston U (12), Rutgers(5)
UNC.  8-6 /// Brown (10), Richmond (13), Hopkins (21), Syracuse (30) /// L: Ohio State (14), Notre Dame (11), Virginia (9), Virginia (9), Duke (7)
Denver. 9-6 /// Ohio State (14), Villanova (19), Utah (23), Towson (27) /// L: Jacksonville (24), Villanova (19), UNC (17), Duke (7), Gtown (2)
Villanova 9-6 /// W: Denver (20). /// L: Denver (20), Brown (10), Penn(4), Yale (6), Gtown (2), Gtown (2)
St. Joseph's 14-3 /// W: Towson (27) /// L: Drexel (42), Delaware (26), Penn (4)
Delaware 11-5 /// W: Hopkins (21), Towson (27), Towson (27), /// L: Hofstra (50), Michigan (45), UMass (26), Villanova (19), Duke (7)
Robert Morris. 10-5 ///W: Utah (23) /// L: Bucknell (39), Stony Brook (37), High Point (32), Utah (23), Duke (7)
UMass 8-6 ///W: Brown (10) ///L: Fairfield (50), Towson (27) , Towson (27) , Army (18), Boston U (12), Yale (6)
Loyola. 8-8 ///W: Duke (7) /// L: Towson (27), Hopkins (21), Army (18), Army (18), BU (12), Rutgers (5), Georgetown (2), Maryland (1)

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Lehigh 8-7 ///W: Army (18) /// L: Colgate (47), Bucknell (39), Hobart (38), Loyola (22), BU (12), BU (12), Cornell (8), Gtown (2)
Navy 9-6 /// W: Army (18), Hopkins (21) /// L: MSM (58), HPU (32), Lehigh (28), Lehigh (28), Loyola (22), Boston U (12),
Utah 10-4 ///W: Jacksonville (24) Robert Morris (29),/// L: UMBC (53), Robert Morris (29), Denver (20), Gtown (2)
Vermont 11-6 /// W: none /// L: Providence (47), Dartmouth (31), UMass (25), Utah (21), Brown (9), Duke (8)
Johns Hopkins 7-9 /// W: Jacksonville (24), Loyola (22), Towson (27) /// L: Navy (31), Delaware (25), UNC (17), Ohio State (14), Virginia (9), Rutgers (5), Gtown (2), Maryland (1), Maryland (1)
Bucknell 9-6 ///W: Robert Morris (29) /// L: Navy (31), Lehigh (29), Loyola (22), Army (18), BU (14)
Towson 7-9 ///W: , Loyola (22), UMass (26), UMass (26)/// L: Hofstra (50), Delaware (25), Hopkins (21), Denver (20), St Joes (16), Richmond (13), Virginia (9), Duke (7)

[Matnum PI]

[HGK]

From what i see from our individual polls Princeton is too low in the aggregate poll.

[HGK]

Jersey Shore left them out. That’s why. My bad.

[Farfromgeneva]

From what i see from our individual polls Princeton is too low in the aggregate poll.

One only did a top 10 and excluded them

[rolldodge]

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... ment/59590

If Notre Dame is #4 in the media poll before the tournament (based largely on speculation), why would they not be #4 after the tournament.

[PizzaSnake]

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... ment/59590

If Notre Dame is #4 in the media poll before the tournament (based largely on speculation), why would they not be #4 after the tournament.

Enough about the NCAA tourney committee. Who votes in the “media” poll?

ND never deserved their high ranking this season. Sncked and yet were highly regarded. Maybe some sage here can explain that mystery?

[QuakerSouth]

Top 30 wins + All losses (RPI)

Maryland. 14-0. /// W: Princeton(3), Rutgers(5), Rutgers(5), Virginia(9), Notre Dame(11), Ohio State (14), Hopkins (21), Hopkins (21), Loyola (22), Syracuse (30)
Georgetown. 15-1 /// W: Penn (4), Notre Dame(11), Richmond (13), Villanova (19), Villanova (19), Denver (20), Hopkins(21), Loyola (22), Lehigh (28) /// L: Princeton (3)
Penn. 10-4 /// W: Duke (7), Cornell (8), Brown(10), St Josephs (16), Villanova (19) /// L: Brown(10), Yale (6), Gtown (2), Princeton (3)
Yale. 11-4 /// W: Princeton (3), Penn (4), Cornell (8), Boston U (12), Villanova (19), Denver (20), UMass (26), /// L: Penn St (34) , Brown (10), Cornell (8), Penn (4),
Cornell. 11-4 /// W: Princeton (3), Yale(6), Ohio State (14), Harvard(15), Lehigh (28), Syracuse (30)/// L: Army (18), Brown (10), Yale (6), Penn (4)
Princeton 9-4 /// W: Gtown (2), Penn (4), Rutgers(5), Brown (10), Boston U (12), /// L: Harvard (15), Yale (6), Cornell (8), Maryland (1)
Brown 10-5 /// W: Penn (4), Yale (6), Cornell (8), Villanova (19) /// L Umass (26), UNC (17), Harvard (15), Penn (4), Princeton (3)
Rutgers. 13-3 /// W: Ohio State (14), Ohio State (14), Army (18), Johns Hopkins (21), Loyola (22) /// L: Princeton (3), Maryland (1), Maryland (1)
Harvard 8-4 /// W: Princeton (3), Brown (10), Boston U (12), /// L Ohio State (14), Cornell (8), Yale (6), Penn (4)
Virginia. 11-3 /// W: Notre Dame (11), UNC (17), UNC (17), Hopkins (21), Towson (27), Syracuse (30), Syracuse (30) /// L to Richmond (13), Duke (7), Maryland (1)
Notre Dame. 8-4 /// W: Duke (7), Duke (7), UNC (17), Syracuse (30) /// L: Ohio State (14), Virginia (9), Gtown (2), Maryland (1)
Jacksonville. 14-3 /// W: Duke (7), Richmond (13), Denver (20), /// L: Utah (23), Hopkins (21), Richmond (13),
Ohio State. 10-5 /// W: Notre Dame (11), Harvard (15), UNC (17), Hopkins (21) /// L: Denver (20), Cornell (8), Rutgers (5), Rutgers (5), Maryland (1)
Richmond 11-4 /// W: Virginia (9), Jacksonville (24), Towson (27) /// L: Jacksonville (24), UNC (17), Duke (7), Gtown (2)
Duke. 11-6 /// Virginia (9), Richmond (13), Denver (20), UNC (17), UNC (17), Towson (27), Robert Morris (29) /// L: Syracuse (30), Jacksonville (24), Loyola (22), Notre Dame (11), Notre Dame (11), Penn (4)
Boston U. 12-4 /// W: Army (18), Loyola (22), UMass (26), Lehigh (28), Lehigh (28) /// L to Army (18), Harvard (15), Yale (6), Princeton (3)
Army. 12-4. /// W: Cornell (8), Boston U (12), Loyola (22), Loyola (22), UMass (26), Syracuse (30) /// L: Navy (31), Lehigh (29), Boston U (12), Rutgers(5)
UNC.  8-6 /// Brown (10), Richmond (13), Hopkins (21), Syracuse (30) /// L: Ohio State (14), Notre Dame (11), Virginia (9), Virginia (9), Duke (7)
Denver. 9-6 /// Ohio State (14), Villanova (19), Utah (23), Towson (27) /// L: Jacksonville (24), Villanova (19), UNC (17), Duke (7), Gtown (2)
Villanova 9-6 /// W: Denver (20). /// L: Denver (20), Brown (10), Penn(4), Yale (6), Gtown (2), Gtown (2)
St. Joseph's 14-3 /// W: Towson (27) /// L: Drexel (42), Delaware (26), Penn (4)
Delaware 11-5 /// W: Hopkins (21), Towson (27), Towson (27), /// L: Hofstra (50), Michigan (45), UMass (26), Villanova (19), Duke (7)
Robert Morris. 10-5 ///W: Utah (23) /// L: Bucknell (39), Stony Brook (37), High Point (32), Utah (23), Duke (7)
UMass 8-6 ///W: Brown (10) ///L: Fairfield (50), Towson (27) , Towson (27) , Army (18), Boston U (12), Yale (6)
Loyola. 8-8 ///W: Duke (7) /// L: Towson (27), Hopkins (21), Army (18), Army (18), BU (12), Rutgers (5), Georgetown (2), Maryland (1)

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Lehigh 8-7 ///W: Army (18) /// L: Colgate (47), Bucknell (39), Hobart (38), Loyola (22), BU (12), BU (12), Cornell (8), Gtown (2)
Navy 9-6 /// W: Army (18), Hopkins (21) /// L: MSM (58), HPU (32), Lehigh (28), Lehigh (28), Loyola (22), Boston U (12),
Utah 10-4 ///W: Jacksonville (24) Robert Morris (29),/// L: UMBC (53), Robert Morris (29), Denver (20), Gtown (2)
Vermont 11-6 /// W: none /// L: Providence (47), Dartmouth (31), UMass (25), Utah (21), Brown (9), Duke (8)
Johns Hopkins 7-9 /// W: Jacksonville (24), Loyola (22), Towson (27) /// L: Navy (31), Delaware (25), UNC (17), Ohio State (14), Virginia (9), Rutgers (5), Gtown (2), Maryland (1), Maryland (1)
Bucknell 9-6 ///W: Robert Morris (29) /// L: Navy (31), Lehigh (29), Loyola (22), Army (18), BU (14)
Towson 7-9 ///W: , Loyola (22), UMass (26), UMass (26)/// L: Hofstra (50), Delaware (25), Hopkins (21), Denver (20), St Joes (16), Richmond (13), Virginia (9), Duke (7)

Roll,

Did you leave out Penn's ILT win over Yale in your recap?

[Matnum PI]

Jersey Shore left them out. That’s why. My bad.

Yup

[rolldodge]

Top 30 wins + All losses (RPI)

Maryland. 14-0. /// W: Princeton(3), Rutgers(5), Rutgers(5), Virginia(9), Notre Dame(11), Ohio State (14), Hopkins (21), Hopkins (21), Loyola (22), Syracuse (30)
Georgetown. 15-1 /// W: Penn (4), Notre Dame(11), Richmond (13), Villanova (19), Villanova (19), Denver (20), Hopkins(21), Loyola (22), Lehigh (28) /// L: Princeton (3)
Penn. 10-4 /// W: Duke (7), Cornell (8), Brown(10), St Josephs (16), Villanova (19) /// L: Brown(10), Yale (6), Gtown (2), Princeton (3)
Yale. 11-4 /// W: Princeton (3), Penn (4), Cornell (8), Boston U (12), Villanova (19), Denver (20), UMass (26), /// L: Penn St (34) , Brown (10), Cornell (8), Penn (4),
Cornell. 11-4 /// W: Princeton (3), Yale(6), Ohio State (14), Harvard(15), Lehigh (28), Syracuse (30)/// L: Army (18), Brown (10), Yale (6), Penn (4)
Princeton 9-4 /// W: Gtown (2), Penn (4), Rutgers(5), Brown (10), Boston U (12), /// L: Harvard (15), Yale (6), Cornell (8), Maryland (1)
Brown 10-5 /// W: Penn (4), Yale (6), Cornell (8), Villanova (19) /// L Umass (26), UNC (17), Harvard (15), Penn (4), Princeton (3)
Rutgers. 13-3 /// W: Ohio State (14), Ohio State (14), Army (18), Johns Hopkins (21), Loyola (22) /// L: Princeton (3), Maryland (1), Maryland (1)
Harvard 8-4 /// W: Princeton (3), Brown (10), Boston U (12), /// L Ohio State (14), Cornell (8), Yale (6), Penn (4)
Virginia. 11-3 /// W: Notre Dame (11), UNC (17), UNC (17), Hopkins (21), Towson (27), Syracuse (30), Syracuse (30) /// L to Richmond (13), Duke (7), Maryland (1)
Notre Dame. 8-4 /// W: Duke (7), Duke (7), UNC (17), Syracuse (30) /// L: Ohio State (14), Virginia (9), Gtown (2), Maryland (1)
Jacksonville. 14-3 /// W: Duke (7), Richmond (13), Denver (20), /// L: Utah (23), Hopkins (21), Richmond (13),
Ohio State. 10-5 /// W: Notre Dame (11), Harvard (15), UNC (17), Hopkins (21) /// L: Denver (20), Cornell (8), Rutgers (5), Rutgers (5), Maryland (1)
Richmond 11-4 /// W: Virginia (9), Jacksonville (24), Towson (27) /// L: Jacksonville (24), UNC (17), Duke (7), Gtown (2)
Duke. 11-6 /// Virginia (9), Richmond (13), Denver (20), UNC (17), UNC (17), Towson (27), Robert Morris (29) /// L: Syracuse (30), Jacksonville (24), Loyola (22), Notre Dame (11), Notre Dame (11), Penn (4)
Boston U. 12-4 /// W: Army (18), Loyola (22), UMass (26), Lehigh (28), Lehigh (28) /// L to Army (18), Harvard (15), Yale (6), Princeton (3)
Army. 12-4. /// W: Cornell (8), Boston U (12), Loyola (22), Loyola (22), UMass (26), Syracuse (30) /// L: Navy (31), Lehigh (29), Boston U (12), Rutgers(5)
UNC.  8-6 /// Brown (10), Richmond (13), Hopkins (21), Syracuse (30) /// L: Ohio State (14), Notre Dame (11), Virginia (9), Virginia (9), Duke (7)
Denver. 9-6 /// Ohio State (14), Villanova (19), Utah (23), Towson (27) /// L: Jacksonville (24), Villanova (19), UNC (17), Duke (7), Gtown (2)
Villanova 9-6 /// W: Denver (20). /// L: Denver (20), Brown (10), Penn(4), Yale (6), Gtown (2), Gtown (2)
St. Joseph's 14-3 /// W: Towson (27) /// L: Drexel (42), Delaware (26), Penn (4)
Delaware 11-5 /// W: Hopkins (21), Towson (27), Towson (27), /// L: Hofstra (50), Michigan (45), UMass (26), Villanova (19), Duke (7)
Robert Morris. 10-5 ///W: Utah (23) /// L: Bucknell (39), Stony Brook (37), High Point (32), Utah (23), Duke (7)
UMass 8-6 ///W: Brown (10) ///L: Fairfield (50), Towson (27) , Towson (27) , Army (18), Boston U (12), Yale (6)
Loyola. 8-8 ///W: Duke (7) /// L: Towson (27), Hopkins (21), Army (18), Army (18), BU (12), Rutgers (5), Georgetown (2), Maryland (1)

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Lehigh 8-7 ///W: Army (18) /// L: Colgate (47), Bucknell (39), Hobart (38), Loyola (22), BU (12), BU (12), Cornell (8), Gtown (2)
Navy 9-6 /// W: Army (18), Hopkins (21) /// L: MSM (58), HPU (32), Lehigh (28), Lehigh (28), Loyola (22), Boston U (12),
Utah 10-4 ///W: Jacksonville (24) Robert Morris (29),/// L: UMBC (53), Robert Morris (29), Denver (20), Gtown (2)
Vermont 11-6 /// W: none /// L: Providence (47), Dartmouth (31), UMass (25), Utah (21), Brown (9), Duke (8)
Johns Hopkins 7-9 /// W: Jacksonville (24), Loyola (22), Towson (27) /// L: Navy (31), Delaware (25), UNC (17), Ohio State (14), Virginia (9), Rutgers (5), Gtown (2), Maryland (1), Maryland (1)
Bucknell 9-6 ///W: Robert Morris (29) /// L: Navy (31), Lehigh (29), Loyola (22), Army (18), BU (14)
Towson 7-9 ///W: , Loyola (22), UMass (26), UMass (26)/// L: Hofstra (50), Delaware (25), Hopkins (21), Denver (20), St Joes (16), Richmond (13), Virginia (9), Duke (7)

Roll,

Did you leave out Penn's ILT win over Yale in your recap?

Yes, fixed. Thanks!

[HGK]

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... ment/59590

If Notre Dame is #4 in the media poll before the tournament (based largely on speculation), why would they not be #4 after the tournament.

Enough about the NCAA tourney committee. Who votes in the “media” poll?

ND never deserved their high ranking this season. Sncked and yet were highly regarded. Maybe some sage here can explain that mystery?

Couple things - feels like media trying to stick it to committee by putting them that high. That said, The media in fairness to them is not held or influenced by any set criteria. They vote week to week on who are the top teams. Meanwhile the committee voted on resume. I think the fact the media has them that high and fact they didn’t make the tournament are both probably proper results given the difference between a current poll and an evaluation of a year’s resume.

[rolldodge]

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... ment/59590

If Notre Dame is #4 in the media poll before the tournament (based largely on speculation), why would they not be #4 after the tournament.

Enough about the NCAA tourney committee. Who votes in the “media” poll?

ND never deserved their high ranking this season. Sncked and yet were highly regarded. Maybe some sage here can explain that mystery?

Couple things - feels like media trying to stick it to committee by putting them that high. That said, The media in fairness to them is not held or influenced by any set criteria. They vote week to week on who are the top teams. Meanwhile the committee voted on resume. I think the fact the media has them that high and fact they didn’t make the tournament are both probably proper results given the difference between a current poll and an evaluation of a year’s resume.

Notre Dame is not #4 based on current play. 2 goal win over Duke just doesn't measure up. They can only be ranked that high based on speculation (i.e "I think they would beat all but 3 other teams if they played tomorrow"). Nothing about that evaluation will have changed come May 31st. Will be very curious to see if the media sticks to their evaluation in the final 2022 poll.

[FanLax Computer]

Based on each teams 3 Best Wins and 3 Worst Losses (based on the FanLaxForum Rankings), these are the D1 Men Top 25:

Ranking, Team, Win Ranking, Loss Ranking

– Team W% W L
1 Maryland 100% 5 1
2 Georgetown 94% 8 2
3 Penn 71% 3 4
4 Princeton 69% 1 7
5 Harvard 67% 6 6
6 Cornell 73% 7 8
7 Rutgers 81% 11 3
8 Yale 73% 4 13
9 Notre Dame 67% 17 5
10 Brown 67% 2 17
11 Virginia 79% 17 9
12 North Carolina 57% 10 14
13 Ohio State 67% 13 12
14 Boston University 75% 20 11
15 Villanova 60% 22 10
16 Richmond 73% 16 15
17 Duke 65% 9 21
18 Army 75% 12 20
19 Jacksonville 82% 14 18
20 Denver 60% 19 16
21 Johns Hopkins 44% 22 23
22 Utah 71% 21 25
23 Loyola 50% 24 24
24 UMass 57% 14 38
25 Saint Joseph's 82% 32 19

[CU77]

ND never deserved their high ranking this season. Sncked and yet were highly regarded. Maybe some sage here can explain that mystery?

Computer rankings that use scores as input like ND a lot. They are #3 in both laxpower and Massey ratings, #8 in lacrossereference's LAX-Elo ratings.

Even methodologies that use Ws and Ls only like them more than the committee: ND is #9 in both KRACH and lacrossereference's Strength of Record.

[CU77]

Final KRACH ratings:

1. Maryland 14-0 4926
2. Georgetown 15-1 1778
3. Rutgers 13-3 1014
4. Princeton 9-4 811
5. Penn 10-4 780
6. Yale 11-4 686
7. Virginia 11-3 618
8. Cornell 11-4 602
9. Notre Dame 8-4 471
10. BU 12-4 459
11. OSU 10-5 450
12. Brown 10-5 437
13. Harvard 8-4 434
14. Army 12-4 402
15. Duke 11-6 390
16. Richmond 11-4 388
17. Jacksonville 14-3 364
18. St Josephs 14-3 332
19. UNC 8-6 292
20. Villanova 9-6 270
21. Denver 9-6 260
22. Utah 10-4 212
23. Delaware 11-5 208
24. Loyola 8-8 198
25. JHU 7-9 197

[jersey shore lax]

I can not see Loyola or UMass being on anybody's poll.

I think ND got screwed

After the great years they had, I would rather have seen Army and Jacksonville over the 5th and 6th best from the Ivy's

A team that does not make their conference tourney should not be eligible

the play in games should be between the last four at large to get in, all the AQ's should be in the tourney and not have to "play in".